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The reality is taking a hard left turn on Isreal is political suicide, losing a big chunk of support and being painted as an anti semite but noone wants to acknowledge that.
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lightpole posted:The reality is taking a hard left turn on Isreal is political suicide, losing a big chunk of support and being painted as an anti semite but noone wants to acknowledge that. Yep. The Israel that exists in Voters' heads is not the Israel that exists now and likely can't be changed by a campaign. So yesterday's speech is likely as far as you're ever going to get from a Democrat running for national office. Also why I liked the speech so much - it's a good thing the speech wasn't aimed at me on the coppy cop border poo poo! And it clearly worked, considering Chicago isn't on fire and the protests essentially fizzled. Edit: adding meat here https://x.com/mollyesque/status/1827067838911439193 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Aug 23, 2024 |
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boop the snoot posted:I think people are just happy there’s a functioning adult in the room now, and I think it’s ok to feel that way without being reminded for five minutes that everything still sucks. idk I think that there’s a difference between “cool speech, but I would like to take this moment to remind everyone here that she’s still a bad person because of the context in which we live and all that came before” and “this speech blows because she is constantly reminding the audience how she sucks on the issues.” The former is doomerism. The latter is just commentary. My own opinion on it is that for better or worse, it’s a generic Dem speech, and that if she can keep being perceived as a generic Democrat, she wins.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Can we not do this? I'd normally agree with you, but it's PCM.
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My favorite take after the Great Patriotic DNC is: "it's good for libs to say I love this loving basketcase of a country" The best way I've seen Kamala's Israel-Gaza speech framed: https://x.com/himbopresident/status/1826852062711214476 Voters.
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facialimpediment posted:Voters.
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facialimpediment posted:My favorite take after the Great Patriotic DNC is: "it's good for libs to say I love this loving basketcase of a country" I mean, it is. Screaming about how
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facialimpediment posted:
Voters dislike messy things, whether it's people's homes being bombed, asylum seekers at the border, or protests that aren't perfectly choreographed and consist of immaculately dressed people.
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Donnie has a problem with trying to reel back the backfiring RFK Jr. ratfuckery. In some places, it's too late, he ratfucked himself. https://x.com/JoeBrunoWSOC9/status/1827093821135458475 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNWBsWihYjM ratfuck #2 also having problems https://x.com/timelywriter/status/1827090695061996016 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Aug 24, 2024 |
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Jesus. Everyone has been drinking from the false grail today.
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Platystemon posted:Jesus. Everyone has been drinking from the false grail today. The cup of a carpenter ftw.
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facialimpediment posted:Donnie has a problem with trying to reel back the backfiring RFK Jr. ratfuckery. this is why you gotta get your rats in a row
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facialimpediment posted:ratfuck #2 also having problems I actually admired West at one point.
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https://x.com/foofighters/status/1827139662558982435?t=8ieWwOTFlN1gctouruHXDQ&s=19 Wu Tang Clan ain't nothin' to gently caress with. E- ...or Dave Grohl, fo that matter. CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Aug 24, 2024 |
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Stultus Maximus posted:I actually admired West at one point. People make bad decisions sometimes but all the things he wrote in the past about how nihilism is the mind killer will never stop being true or relevant
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CBJSprague24 posted:Wu Tang Clan ain't nothin' to gently caress with. Like I worry about fuckin everything, even when polls/common sense says I shouldn't, but I laugh like hell when he can't even deploy his latest One Weird Trick and instead trips on his dick again https://x.com/foofighters/status/1827162704433574342
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Anyone have any idea how licensing music works for politicians? Trump regularly gets lambasted by artists for using their music but nothing ever seems to come out of it. Is it one of those things where artists don’t own their catalog and so don’t really have a say in who licenses their music?
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Nystral posted:Anyone have any idea how licensing music works for politicians? Trump regularly gets lambasted by artists for using their music but nothing ever seems to come out of it. Is it one of those things where artists don’t own their catalog and so don’t really have a say in who licenses their music? Same as for anyone else who wants to license playing their song in front of an audience. They can sue him, but he's famous for being able to wiggle out of legal situations. He'd just wiggle his way out of the RIAA jumping down his throat for piracy/illegal performance.
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Nystral posted:Anyone have any idea how licensing music works for politicians? Trump regularly gets lambasted by artists for using their music but nothing ever seems to come out of it. Is it one of those things where artists don’t own their catalog and so don’t really have a say in who licenses their music? The big labels have been under a consent decree with the United States since the nineteen forties, allowing them to sell licenses to their entire collections as package deals. Since 2016, the labels have allowed artists to opt‐out of letting certain politicians use their works. This is reasonably likely to be found to violate the consent decree if taken to court. So while artists can ask that Trump not be allowed to use their music, there’s no bite to it. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Aug 24, 2024 |
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orange juche posted:Same as for anyone else who wants to license playing their song in front of an audience. To be fair, the RIAA is basically 90% lawyers by volume. They could probably make a solid go of it.
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Donnie went to Arizona with RFKJr and also had Kari Lake and a cop up to endorse him. Except they wouldn't shut up and he gave them the hook. https://x.com/chais_g/status/1827161882391933404 He later said "I would've called her up, but she talked for a half hour already! https://x.com/IsaacDovere/status/1827159971370283422 at one point the crowd started booing the cop because he wouldn't shut up
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facialimpediment posted:https://x.com/IsaacDovere/status/1827159971370283422 Nice cut on that video.
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Want to see a stopped clock? https://x.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1827071483962601836
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James Comer has declared Minnesota to be loaded with communist immigrants and not really "middle America" after all: https://www.threads.net/@aaron.rupar/post/C_BFMjfgKRM I should have realized it when NPR interviewed diners at the Chatterbox Cafe and they all quoted from the little red book.
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lightpole posted:The reality is taking a hard left turn on Isreal is political suicide, losing a big chunk of support and being painted as an anti semite but noone wants to acknowledge that. Example, my Congressman just got torpedoed by AIPAC for speaking out against Gaza genocide.
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I don't like it, but that is the reality of the U.S. electorate. Our pay-for-play politics certainly makes it worse with lobbying groups being the ticket that needs punched to get in the door, but again the electorate plays its part in this. If you come out swinging against Israel you don't win the office. There's just not enough people in the voting booth with that belief.
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It's almost as if the people who already have a platform from being in public office need to use that platform to change public opinion on the matter by speaking out against genocide, consistently and repeatedly, in general and especially in specific about Israel/Palestine.
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Grip it and rip it posted:Hasn't Kamala indicated multiple times that she's going to pivot from unconditional support of Israel? It's an approach that's been basically baked in to US foreign policy since Israel was founded - you can't expect that anyone is going to turn that ship around on a dime. there's not much reason for her to do so during the campaign, though id thought she'd been more dodging the issue until now. there's maybe some opportunity for a pivot after if she's elected, but i would be surprised if it's more than somewhat less support than biden's administration. the explicit callout of the now-debunked sexual violence claim doesn't give me much hope there though til then, facialimpediment posted:<tweet with graph of most voters essentially against gaza protestors> you're lucky if an average US voter pays attention to even US-produced news. if they do, it's probably going to be largely major outlets, and those major outlets are generally aligned with US's historical foreign policy stance re israel. the portion of our population going out to find and compare our coverage with haaretz or al jazeera is tiny: comparative media analysis is neither a typical pastime nor common professional work our domestic unrest is much more visible to people here than the actual war, and for many it's an annoyance or scary even if they don't have strong opinions on the issue itself Kazinsal posted:To be fair, the RIAA is basically 90% lawyers by volume. They could probably make a solid go of it. yeah but the lawyers don't care about the musicians or their opinions lol, the organizations they represent already have the rights to the thing that makes money now, if trump didn't license the music they'd have an issue, but it's not clear if that's the case
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Qtotonibudinibudet posted:now, if trump didn't license the music they'd have an issue, but it's not clear if that's the case Trump dodges bills as hard as he dodged the draft, so I wouldn't give the campaign the benefit of the doubt on that one.
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Platystemon posted:Want to see a stopped clock? A rare hit from the Bee.
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ZombieApostate posted:It's almost as if the people who already have a platform from being in public office need to use that platform to change public opinion on the matter by speaking out against genocide, consistently and repeatedly, in general and especially in specific about Israel/Palestine. So, as documented above, commit political suicide and lose in the primary or general when well funded groups like AIPAC start running ads against them. Corey Bush represents a D+27 district, majority minority, fairly young (median age is 35), literally one of the safest districts to voice a pro-Palestine opinion in the country. She lost her primary due in large part to AIPAC running ads against her. Jamal Bowman represents a D+20 district, again majority minority, median age is closer to 40, again one of the safest districts to voice opposition to IDF in Gaza. Lost in his primary too. The cold hard truth is that on this issue taking a stance other than full throated support for Israel results in you losing your job. Americans are unable to differentiate between the Jewish People and the nation of Israel.
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Nystral posted:So, as documented above, commit political suicide and lose in the primary or general when well funded groups like AIPAC start running ads against them. I'd also like to point out that the ten mailers a week I was receiving against Bush almost never mentioned Israel even though they were funded by AIPAC. They harped on her vote against the split infrastructure bill as "grandstanding against President Biden's agenda."
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Stultus Maximus posted:I'd also like to point out that the ten mailers a week I was receiving against Bush almost never mentioned Israel even though they were funded by AIPAC. They harped on her vote against the split infrastructure bill as "grandstanding against President Biden's agenda." I've been curious if Dave Weigel's take on Cori Bush was correct, that she basically quit paying attention to the district and just cared about the national notoriety poo poo. A lot of squad members are well-known for their excellent constituent services back home, while Weigel was noting that Bush basically didn't have that set up. Rashida Tlaib apparently has the gold standard - anyone in the district can basically call her district office and get help for whatever problem they're having. Bowman had his own issues too - like pleading out to pulling the Congressional fire alarm a while back, after lying about it and getting busted on tape. Somewhat difficult to figure out if the AIPAC spending put things over the top, or if they might've been toast already in safe districts. Republicans will tolerate a lot of clownshow poo poo in their safe districts, Democrats less so, even more when some special interest group puts in $texas into the primary.
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facialimpediment posted:I've been curious if Dave Weigel's take on Cori Bush was correct, that she basically quit paying attention to the district and just cared about the national notoriety poo poo. A lot of squad members are well-known for their excellent constituent services back home, while Weigel was noting that Bush basically didn't have that set up. Rashida Tlaib apparently has the gold standard - anyone in the district can basically call her district office and get help for whatever problem they're having. It's hard to say. After Lacey Clay, anything was a step up for paying attention to the district. Also worth noting that Wesley Bell had registered to take on Josh Hawley until AIPAC drove a truckload of cash up to him and told him it was his if he took out Bush instead.
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Nystral posted:So, as documented above, commit political suicide and lose in the primary or general when well funded groups like AIPAC start running ads against them. Note how I said "being in public office" and not "running for public office". Campaigning on an unpopular stance indeed sounds like a stupid idea, which is why I never suggested that. Changing public perception is going to take longer than campaign season. And ideally it would be done by the leadership who has a more national reach.
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ZombieApostate posted:Note how I said "being in public office" and not "running for public office". Campaigning on an unpopular stance indeed sounds like a stupid idea, which is why I never suggested that. Changing public perception is going to take longer than campaign season. People who will do that don't make it to leadership positions. Or do you think Nancy Pelosi is playing the long game and any day now is going to reveal herself? Some things are political poison, and you are demanding people sacrifice themselves over it
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