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A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

orange juche posted:

Christ, what the gently caress is wrong with RFKjr

LIteral brain worms. I thought this had been safely established.

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TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

What a deeply unpleasant man.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost
Maybe his worm is named Audrey 2 and demands strange foods.

ZombieApostate
Mar 13, 2011
Sorry, I didn't read your post.

I'm too busy replying to what I wish you said

:allears:

RFC2324 posted:

People who will do that don't make it to leadership positions. Or do you think Nancy Pelosi is playing the long game and any day now is going to reveal herself?

Some things are political poison, and you are demanding people sacrifice themselves over it

What I am suggesting is literally the definition of leadership. I realize we haven't had it for a long time. I also realize It's not easy, and not without risk.

lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".
Having someone in thats willing and attempting to make that change is the most important part to me, even if its slow and gradual. Yes, there's a lot of suffering in the meantime but going the route of forcing that change when noone is ready for it risks bringing Trump back, and he is objectively worse. Biden has made steps in the right direction, hopefully Kamala continues that.

The unfortunate reality is that there is no Palestinian money, so their voice is irrelevant in US politics. Building a lobby and pushing grassroots efforts making a space where its acceptable to criticize Isreali actions is critical to pushing that change. The loud protests are part of that so hopefully they continue.

ZombieApostate posted:

What I am suggesting is literally the definition of leadership. I realize we haven't had it for a long time. I also realize It's not easy, and not without risk.

It is impossible for a leader to lead in a direction if people aren't ready to follow. A huge portion of leadership is simply building the trust and creating the right conditions for moving in the direction you want to go, and then staying long enough to see it through.

lightpole fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Aug 25, 2024

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

orange juche posted:

Christ, what the gently caress is wrong with RFKjr

For an actual answer there's a Behind The Bastards series on him that details a lot of it. After listening to that, none of what he does or has done is super surprising. He's hosed up in ways that are pretty expectable after his childhood. You hear how that went then basically say, "Oh. Yep. That makes sense how that would happen to someone and they react that way." Not saying any of it is positive role model territory, just pretty easy to connect dots.

ZombieApostate
Mar 13, 2011
Sorry, I didn't read your post.

I'm too busy replying to what I wish you said

:allears:

lightpole posted:

Having someone in thats willing and attempting to make that change is the most important part to me, even if its slow and gradual. Yes, there's a lot of suffering in the meantime but going the route of forcing that change when noone is ready for it risks bringing Trump back, and he is objectively worse. Biden has made steps in the right direction, hopefully Kamala continues that.

In terms of Israel/Palestine, I don't think this is true of Biden specifically. I think it's too early to tell what Kamala will do, and as I already said, in the middle of an election is a bad time to try to make the case for change.

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The unfortunate reality is that there is no Palestinian money, so their voice is irrelevant in US politics. Building a lobby and pushing grassroots efforts making a space where its acceptable to criticize Isreali actions is critical to pushing that change. The loud protests are part of that so hopefully they continue.

It is impossible for a leader to lead in a direction if people aren't ready to follow. A huge portion of leadership is simply building the trust and creating the right conditions for moving in the direction you want to go, and then staying long enough to see it through.

The people will never be ready to follow if you never explain to them why what we're currently doing is wrong. That's the first step which hasn't happened so far. For most Americans it boils down to "Israel good, Hamas bad" and they know nothing of the oppression Israel has subjected Palestinians to. Our politicians could do the explaining and I would argue it is ultimately their responsibility since they have thus far continued to give Israel more weapons to use on Palestinians.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010

Stultus Maximus posted:

It's hard to say. After Lacey Clay, anything was a step up for paying attention to the district.
Also worth noting that Wesley Bell had registered to take on Josh Hawley until AIPAC drove a truckload of cash up to him and told him it was his if he took out Bush instead.

Saying that AIPAC coordinated with Bell and got him to change races is not only an unsupported accusation of a federal crime, it blatantly plays into antisemitic and racist tropes. Bad take imo. Bell was asked about the “puppet” comments here:

quote:

Political Editor Mark Maxwell: "A lot of that noise came from young liberal progressives, many of whom smeared you as a "plant." They called you a "puppet," someone who they felt could not speak for himself on big issues like abortion because they thought that pro-Jewish groups controlled you with their money. Do you feel that any of your critics at any time in this race crossed the line from just scrutinizing outside money, campaign finance, into racism or anti-Semitism?
St. Louis County Prosecutor Wesley Bell: "You know, there were things that were said that absolutely crossed the line. And, you know, I'm from Missouri. I'm an African American man, and Missouri has had its issues of racism and things of that nature and in our history, and I've never been called anything like some of the things that that I was called during the election."

It’s simpler to see that Bush was just not good for her district, kind of embarrassing on the national stage, and bad with money. Bell had fundraising support aside from AIPAC; Bush was a mess in debt. Yet Bell saw the writing on the wall that he was gonna lose the senate primary to Kunce. He pivoted to take out the weaker opponent. Politics. Numbers below:

quote:

In her latest filing with the Federal Election Committee, Bush reported having roughly $19,000 cash on hand, with an outstanding debt of almost $130,000.

Bell reported $88,000 cash on hand during the same reporting period.

With Bell out of the Democratic Senate primary, Marine veteran Lucas Kunce and state Sen. Karla May remain highest profile candidates running to take on Republican U.S. Sen. Josh Hawley next year. And between the two, Kunce holds a massive lead in fundraising and endorsements, reporting $1.7 million in his campaign compared to $14,000 for May.

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA
I really wish we could eject Cenk from the "Left", but too many people fall for empty, lefty-sounding, populist rhetoric that mysteriously spins off a gaggle of far-right loons.
https://x.com/cenkuygur/status/1827078227266875551
https://x.com/cenkuygur/status/1827462102283403696

He's right in the first tweet, just not like he thinks he is: if the brainworm didn't live in a Kennedy, it would have rightly been written off as a nutjob.

Cugel the Clever fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Aug 25, 2024

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.
https://x.com/EastEndJoe/status/1827421408088953301?t=JtxWn5YZHamXEuxoSXgO-A&s=19

In case anyone you know needs an example as to how he exaggerates.

MonkeyFit
May 13, 2009

CBJSprague24 posted:

https://x.com/EastEndJoe/status/1827421408088953301?t=JtxWn5YZHamXEuxoSXgO-A&s=19

In case anyone you know needs an example as to how he exaggerates.

What's the root source of that quote? X only lets me see linked tweet without an account.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

MonkeyFit posted:

What's the root source of that quote? X only lets me see linked tweet without an account.

Fake claim from 4 years ago

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/false-claim-trump-said-hundreds-of-governors-are-calling-him-idUSKCN2262CG/

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006
There are 50 states, and people who are former governors are often still referred to by that title, so that's technically possible?

MonkeyFit
May 13, 2009

Thanks. As easy as it is to believe he would say something like that, I don't like to share stuff like that without a valid source. For exactly this reason. He lies and exaggerates enough that there's no need to lie and exaggerate about how much he does it.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.

MonkeyFit posted:

He lies and exaggerates enough that there's no need to lie and exaggerate about how much he does it.

I mistakenly took it as something legitimate to have come out of his mouth for this reason.

MonkeyFit
May 13, 2009

CBJSprague24 posted:

I mistakenly took it as something legitimate to have come out of his mouth for this reason.

It was more of a general statement. There's no shortage of tweets just like that one. I wanted to believe it was true. But I've been burned by too many things with no source to blindly believe this poo poo anymore. It's so loving hard to tell what he did and didn't say unless it can be cited. It's absolutely ridiculous that he's a viable candidate.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Trump aides alarmed he's 'just golfing all day and stewing' as election slips away

quote:

“The stakes for Trump this election are arguably the highest they’ve ever been. His criminal cases don’t go away if he loses. Yet he seems to be phoning it in, running a remarkably low-energy, undisciplined campaign,” said Alyssa Farah Griffin, a former White House spokeswoman who quit after Trump supporters attacked the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. “From spending days off the campaign trail golfing to coming up with frankly weak nicknames like ‘Kamabala,’ it feels like he’s lost his mojo.”

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Trying to verify sources on everything is really hard, because we have another covfefe on our hands when some intern dictated trump's tweet verbatim while he was having a small stroke:

https://x.com/slothropsmap/status/1827830815960727946

https://www.rawstory.com/powerfulnnz-trump-typo-deleted-truth-social-post/

I too also want the

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

Would you say he’s becoming increasingly isolated?

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.

facialimpediment posted:

Trying to verify sources on everything is really hard, because we have another covfefe on our hands when some intern dictated trump's tweet verbatim while he was having a small stroke:

https://x.com/slothropsmap/status/1827830815960727946

https://www.rawstory.com/powerfulnnz-trump-typo-deleted-truth-social-post/

I too also want the

Low energy Donnie can't even finish his Truths. Sad!

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

lol Colorado gop falling into infighting and just voted out their chairman https://www.cpr.org/2024/08/24/gop-chair-dave-williams-ousted-dismisses-illegitimate-republican-meeting/

MonkeyFit
May 13, 2009

At this point he's probably depending on red legislatures in swing states to ratfuck the counts enough that he can call on people like the boogaloo boys to start a shitload of violence to install him. The actual votes don't really matter if that's the plan.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.

MonkeyFit posted:

At this point he's probably depending on red legislatures in swing states to ratfuck the counts enough that he can call on people like the boogaloo boys to start a shitload of violence to install him. The actual votes don't really matter if that's the plan.

The gut, poorly-pseudo-educated feeling I have at this point is this may be what plays out, as it feels like it's Kamala's to lose and we're not even to the first debate, which seems like it'll go for Donnie Sadbrains as well as the first did for Biden. At least so far, she hasn't shown any signs of blowing it.

Whatever it takes to put him away once and for all as, by the time we get to 2028, Trump will either be:
-In prison
-Dead
-Someone the GOP have given up on and will be deemed to olahahaha I almost made it through the thought.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

I WANT TO BELIEVE

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
It's mostly just a case of him being himself, but older and slower. Democrats found the One Weird Trick and he's pissed that none of his One Weird Tricks seem to be working.

It's still very close, and probably will stay very close, but he's running the campaign HE wants to run. Every time he reads in a monotone off a piece of paper it's him rebelling against his campaign advisors. Same deal when the downballoters whine that he needs to focus on policy (which he sucks at too) because they're asking him to be something he's not.

Everyone's like WHY HE CAN'T BE NORMAL and it's just not possible. He's him.

MrMojok
Jan 28, 2011

facialimpediment posted:



Everyone's like WHY HE CAN'T BE NORMAL and it's just not possible. He's him.

This reminds me that someone itt used the scene from Babadook where the mom is yelling at the kid “Why can’t you be normal?!?” and the next frame was Trump in the backseat with a typically stupid expression on his face.

It was awesome, I meant to save that pic, and didn’t.

MrMojok fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Aug 26, 2024

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I WANT TO BELIEVE

As do I, but iirc, we had similar behavior /reporting in 2016 running up to the election.

Man wasn't set up to really win or prepared govern, yet he won. Even though this time around, not everything is the same, I'd still be wary on getting my hopes up just because Trump's are down.

Now, if conservative media start running with it, and Rs start openly threatening to pull their support because he's throwing, that would really get me all hot n bothered.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003

cross-post

Theli posted:

Someone in the Disco Elysium subreddit made this about the JD Vance donut shop incident and I thought you all might enjoy it, because I can't stop loving laughing:

Steezo
Jun 16, 2003

orange juche posted:

Christ, what the gently caress is wrong with RFKjr

At least he got head.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Loden Taylor
Aug 11, 2003

MrMojok posted:

This reminds me that someone itt used the scene from Babadook where the mom is yelling at the kid “Why can’t you be normal?!?” and the next frame was Trump in the backseat with a typically stupid expression on his face.

It was awesome, I meant to save that pic, and didn’t.

MrMojok
Jan 28, 2011

Thank you!

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.
https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/1827993049827250515?t=YG083CvEYFCegBmXooHofQ&s=19

Laughing Zealot
Oct 10, 2012


I'd be surprised if Trump doesn't show up for the debates. He's got away with it in the primary because he was the default winner anyway, he had nothing to gain by showing up. Now he's actually in a tight race and the debate might be a chance to blunt Harris's momentum.

MonkeyFit
May 13, 2009
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/26/kamala-harris-donald-trump-debate-abc-microphones-00176294

Harris wants the mics hot at all times during the debate. I'd rather just have a normal debate. She'd probably be better served making him wait until his turn to make his remarks, wasting time instead of answering his questions.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

MonkeyFit posted:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/26/kamala-harris-donald-trump-debate-abc-microphones-00176294

Harris wants the mics hot at all times during the debate. I'd rather just have a normal debate. She'd probably be better served making him wait until his turn to make his remarks, wasting time instead of answering his questions.
This sounds like a bet on decorum violations hurting a Republican, so it's probably a mistake. Those rules only get applied to Democrats. Well, unless he reaches for the hard r.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
Maybe she will just spend 15 minutes trolling the gently caress out of him until he snaps.

Trump is really predictable and very easy to figure out. It’s why world leaders love him so much. And a big reason why democrats have been so loving frustrating for eight years, they never exploit Donald Trump for being Donald Trump.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

MonkeyFit posted:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/26/kamala-harris-donald-trump-debate-abc-microphones-00176294

Harris wants the mics hot at all times during the debate. I'd rather just have a normal debate. She'd probably be better served making him wait until his turn to make his remarks, wasting time instead of answering his questions.

Hot mics is a "normal" debate historically.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

Hot mics is a "normal" debate historically.

Also why people hated the Hillary/Trump and Biden/Trump debates. Donnie talks over everyone and shits up every debate he's ever been in. It's ideal in a civics sense to have cold mics, no crowds, and just let the candidates talk without interruption. Biden's folks also knew about his brain and figured things would go better if he didn't have as many Donnie distractions (oops).

Kamala's folks know that she's fine at debates and has a normal brain, so they're trying to get rid of the Biden rules. They also know that Donnie's tilted as gently caress and could drop an n-bomb on live TV if he gets pissed off enough.

Naturally, this stuff isn't at the same level as Donnie potentially backing out completely. Dude's shook as hell and doesn't want to do it, but knows that he needs to.

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MonkeyFit
May 13, 2009

OddObserver posted:

This sounds like a bet on decorum violations hurting a Republican, so it's probably a mistake. Those rules only get applied to Democrats. Well, unless he reaches for the hard r.

Yeah. I don't think it's a great idea either. And let's face it. If he does drop a hard r, that is only going to slide us backwards as his supporters start doing it all the time to try and show it's not so bad because everyone does it, and also they'll feel they now "have permission" again.

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