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Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

Reminder that the economy's in a fairly good spot right now.

quote:

A story in four parts:
1) US GDP growth has outpaced all other G7 nations
2) it's even outpaced pre-COVID projections
3) inflation-adjusted wages are up, and most for low-wage folks
4) wages at the bottom rose so much, income inequality is down, undoing 1/3 of its growth since Reagan
https://bsky.app/profile/bbkogan.bsky.social/post/3l2ulnrlbcu24



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Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 28, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


Grip it and rip it posted:

Hmmm I've been reading a bit of news from different sources about the threat of a looming recession :( The timing of this couldn't possibly be worse.
People have been talking about the threat of a recession since like 2020/2021 (or hell, like 2014), and especially since interest rates were raised so high to fight inflation. There was always a fear that economy would make a 'hard landing' post-interest rate hikes, it seems rn like we're more likely to make a 'soft landing' where the slightly overheated COVID-stimulus economy cools off to a more normal level instead of crashing hard and then bouncing back to normal. Economists/markets have been in a pessimistic mood lately, but the numbers are mostly still pretty decent. Jobs numbers aren't as great as earlier in the year but have consistently been decent and better than expected, 2nd quarter GDP growth was revised up a bit and is a healthy ~3%, the rate of inflation is back at a pretty normal (also ~3%) level, consumer confidence is up in August, stock markets are doin fine, and the fed is likely to start lowering interest rates soon. That's all basically good or normal news.

The bad news is that wages still haven't entirely caught up to make up for the price increases-especially in consumer goods and groceries-of the past year or three, so alot of normal people feel poorer (and in purchasing power/real terms, they are even, oftentimes even if they have gotten a raise). Anyone on a fixed income or lower-wage job that spends most of their income on necessities like food and rent and gas is hurting. Their dollars just aren't going as far. That all certainly effects middle-class households too, but there the issue is also that buying a house is stupidly expensive in alot of the country and that's not made any less painful by mortgage interest rates being pretty high.

Basically 'the economy' is probably doing okay, but it doesn't feel that way to alot of people. Wages are still growing, unemployment is still low, some grocery prices do seem to be going down a bit, as are mortgage rates, and generally things are trending back to whatever 'normal' is, but there is still kind of a grey cloud hanging over how people (normal people and economists/markets) all feel about.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

Cugel the Clever posted:

Doomsaying about an imminent recession has been a thing literally since the Covid recession. Anything that's actually novel and credible?

https://archive.ph/oyct2

This is the article that really got me to thinking about it. The headline reminded me of the joke about wearing the "not a murderer" shirt or whatever.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 28, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


Grip it and rip it posted:

https://archive.ph/oyct2

This is the article that really got me to thinking about it. The headline reminded me of the joke about wearing the "not a murderer" shirt or whatever.
If you read that article and your takeaway was 'a recession is looming enough to effect the election' then you didn't understand that article very well. It's point was that while several indicators that people point to when trying to predict recessions (which is a very hard thing to do) are doing things that in the past have tended to point towards recessions, for many reasons largely related to the post-covid recovery, they are likely not great indicators to use right now. Yes, many of those numbers are kind of out of whack right now in a way that in the past has looked recessiony, but in this case they are probably out of whack for other reasons.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

If you read that article and your takeaway was 'a recession is looming enough to effect the election' then you didn't understand that article very well. It's point was that while several indicators that people point to when trying to predict recessions (which is a very hard thing to do) are doing things that in the past have tended to point towards recessions, for many reasons largely related to the post-covid recovery, they are likely not great indicators to use right now. Yes, many of those numbers are kind of out of whack right now in a way that in the past has looked recessiony, but in this case they are probably out of whack for other reasons.

I think combined with the drying up of excess household savings, increased credit card debts, increased delinquencies, and softening job numbers, the idea that you should ignore historical bellwethers is asinine. I guess I don't have as unflappable a faith in the 3 line rationales that were provided in that article.

Nystral
Feb 6, 2002

Every man likes a pretty girl with him at a skeleton dance.

Grip it and rip it posted:

I think combined with the drying up of excess household savings, increased credit card debts, increased delinquencies, and softening job numbers, the idea that you should ignore historical bellwethers is asinine. I guess I don't have as unflappable a faith in the 3 line rationales that were provided in that article.

Nor should you, but a recession is likely to mimic 1992 in that it’s going to be relatively short and shallow vs what we saw in 2007-2009 which was long and deeply impactful to the rest of the economy.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

Nystral posted:

Nor should you, but a recession is likely to mimic 1992 in that it’s going to be relatively short and shallow vs what we saw in 2007-2009 which was long and deeply impactful to the rest of the economy.

Which lead to Bush losing to Clinton, right? In my mind it's a worrying development largely for the impact that it could have on this election.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

Grip it and rip it posted:

Which lead to Bush losing to Clinton, right? In my mind it's a worrying development largely for the impact that it could have on this election.

I’m beginning to think the at Clinton won because he was young and sexy dripping with charisma and it had very little to do with the economy.

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Crab Dad posted:

I’m beginning to think the at Clinton won because he was young and sexy dripping with charisma and it had very little to do with the economy.

Posting this to remind myself to look up the '92 election season polling data and see if I can pinpoint the day he played the saxophone on Arsenio Hall.

lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".

Grip it and rip it posted:

Which lead to Bush losing to Clinton, right? In my mind it's a worrying development largely for the impact that it could have on this election.

No, that was Ross Perot.

The economy is extremely complicated and there is no timeline on how long it takes things to correct. Once consumer and corporate sentiment get extremely pessimistic and people start to act on it we will have a recession. Until then don't try to fight optimism, you'll only lose.

Those measured indicators are constantly being played with by the Fed and others so they can rapidly become poor or meaningless indicators.

lightpole fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Aug 30, 2024

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

DEER CRACKERS
https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1829629611782574537

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Blue Jackoffs are Rags west
https://x.com/acnewsitics/status/1829625590783361406?t=2gRnmdA1d_9TDIQ8aw1GTQ&s=19

Aaaaaand there it is. ("Sleepy Joe/Kamala skipped the Arlington ceremony, they're bad, vote for me!")

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

DEER CRACKERS
I held an uncountably infinite number of patriotic events that 45 didn’t show up at.

Nuclear Tourist
Apr 7, 2005

It is very funny how prominent Republicans are suddenly very concerned about preserving reproductive rights after they finally get it through their heads that this is an issue that could potentially cost them the election. How can you even function with this kind of whiplash.

https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/trump-6-week-abortion-ban-short-113286922

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

Trump has just came out in favor of legalizing pot.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

The numbers don't lie, we're all fucked.
The above two posts are connected - Donnie's voting against removing Florida's 6-week abortion ban (he got too much flak from his base) and made up poo poo about Democrats aborting born kids again. On the weed thing, he's making up a bunch of bullshit in a gigantic post and also completely making up that without legalization, fentanyl marijuana expands.

DEATH WEED

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Blue Jackoffs are Rags west

facialimpediment posted:

The above two posts are connected - Donnie's voting against removing Florida's 6-week abortion ban (he got too much flak from his base) and made up poo poo about Democrats aborting born kids again. On the weed thing, he's making up a bunch of bullshit in a gigantic post and also completely making up that without legalization, fentanyl marijuana expands.

DEATH WEED

"Post-birth abortions" may be the dumbest thing he's dreamed up and that's a hard title to earn. It sounds like something a 7 year old would come up with to sound smart to their 7 year old friends who buy it.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

CBJSprague24 posted:

"Post-birth abortions" may be the dumbest thing he's dreamed up and that's a hard title to earn. It sounds like something a 7 year old would come up with to sound smart to their 7 year old friends who buy it.
He finally caught up to that 25 year old south park episode where cartman's mom is trying to get 30th trimester abortions legalized.

Fallom
Sep 6, 2008

Cartman’s mom went to get a 40th trimester abortion in 1998 so maybe that’s where he got it from

Fallom
Sep 6, 2008

lol gently caress I even had to look up the date for it too

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

:worship: :sun:

PRAISE THE SUN

Ultra Carp
https://x.com/SplitTicket_/status/1829936126867685603?t=jTPTCENuAB0bYLLZHTke3g&s=19

It would be extremely funny if the Republicans managed to flip MT and WV but still lost the Senate because of Nebraska of all places

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

He just isn't used to the new weed we been growing

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

The numbers don't lie, we're all fucked.

Tiny Timbs posted:

Cartman’s mom went to get a 40th trimester abortion in 1998 so maybe that’s where he got it from

It's really an oft-repeated Republican talking point (late term abortions) that Donnie did his Donnie thing about and routinely exaggerates enough that it's now Just A Thing he says to justify whatever (post-birth abortions).

With how little democratic pushback I ever hear about it, it's pretty clear that democratic strategists/pollsters have figured out that works against precisely nobody, especially post-dobbs. That the media doesn't constantly call him / Republicans out on it feeds into the hilariously pro-trump slant of the general media for the past 10 years. That kind of repeated lie isn't covered even a fraction of Biden Old.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

CBJSprague24 posted:

"Post-birth abortions" may be the dumbest thing he's dreamed up and that's a hard title to earn. It sounds like something a 7 year old would come up with to sound smart to their 7 year old friends who buy it.

After Eric & Jr talked him into putting JD on the ticket I’m sure he wants a couple

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

CBJSprague24 posted:

"Post-birth abortions" may be the dumbest thing he's dreamed up and that's a hard title to earn. It sounds like something a 7 year old would come up with to sound smart to their 7 year old friends who buy it.

https://youtu.be/YwPlREhpnbM?si=8G4LugSWzblCz8Pc

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

DEER CRACKERS

CBJSprague24 posted:

"Post-birth abortions" may be the dumbest thing he's dreamed up and that's a hard title to earn. It sounds like something a 7 year old would come up with to sound smart to their 7 year old friends who buy it.

He saw Principal Skinner aborting a baby in the alley, and the baby looked at him.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

He just remembers the Maddox "Regressive Party Policy" of raising the abortion term limit to 100 years.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

DEER CRACKERS
https://x.com/CalltoActivism/status/1829569219211747394

Awesome “weave”, Mister President.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

He is on point with his accordian-hand game but there is no hamster left on the wheel upstairs. Total and complete donkey brains.

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

Andrew Jackson got mistreated huh?

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Blue Jackoffs are Rags west

Only Donald Trump could have someone that's enough of a yes person to find a way to attempt to spin his incoherent nothingness into being seriously, it's a positive, guys! He's just that brilliant!

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sausage.

Smellrose

Elviscat posted:

Andrew Jackson got mistreated huh?

I mean, he did get shot at.

99pct of germs
Apr 13, 2013


NYT: Trump 'Weave' Dazzles in Michigan, How Dems Lost Their Oratory Mojo

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Blue Jackoffs are Rags west
https://x.com/rooster_ohio/status/1830355393815732359

I think my brain crashed to desktop after this was sent to me, but here you go.

I do know for a fact that the commencement speaker claim checks out, as I have family who was at a reception with him before the ceremony and reported back he was a complete loving toolbag.

Fallom
Sep 6, 2008

disney bound to the polls

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

CBJSprague24 posted:

https://x.com/rooster_ohio/status/1830355393815732359

I think my brain crashed to desktop after this was sent to me, but here you go.

I do know for a fact that the commencement speaker claim checks out, as I have family who was at a reception with him before the ceremony and reported back he was a complete loving toolbag.

Well that was the most obnoxious thing I've watched all day.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

quote:

Disney Adult swingers couple is now claiming they had a threesome with Senator Boss Baby

this sequence of words activated my gag reflex :barf:

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

Stultus Maximus posted:

Well that was the most obnoxious thing I've watched all day.

This is gonna be hilarious fallout if true.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


CBJSprague24 posted:

https://x.com/rooster_ohio/status/1830355393815732359

I think my brain crashed to desktop after this was sent to me, but here you go.

I do know for a fact that the commencement speaker claim checks out, as I have family who was at a reception with him before the ceremony and reported back he was a complete loving toolbag.

Why are they holding their hands out like that? Is that a new "ai didn't deepfake this" Thing?

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Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





i was wondering the same thing

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