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facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

CommieGIR posted:

Well yeah because Trump is basically embezzling all the RNC's money so nothing to spare for the GOP.

Yup. Granted that every campaign organization is like HELP MONEY NEEDED NOW OR WE LOSE for all of eternity (especially in spam texts), the Republicans are sounding those alarms:

https://x.com/allymutnick/status/1830989740230807720?t=_9OsXIs9OLvXyteUEoiGjw&s=19

Edit: lol it continues

https://x.com/DanielStrauss4/status/1830999489399668863?t=Wl-1x8JVTlKXxpXTWoESTA&s=19


NYT posted:

Former President Donald J. Trump claimed falsely in a social media post that “there was no conflict” during his visit to Arlington National Cemetery last week, calling it “a made up story” by Vice President Kamala Harris. Cemetery officials and the Army have confirmed a confrontation between a Trump campaign official and a cemetery employee who was trying to enforce a prohibition on election-related activities; the Army said the campaign official physically pushed the employee.

A spokesman for his campaign previously acknowledged the confrontation in a statement claiming that the cemetery employee had tried to “physically block” members of Trump’s team and describing the employee as “clearly suffering from a mental health episode.” The spokesman, Steven Cheung, said the campaign was prepared to release footage supporting its account, but it has not done so.

Edit2: incidentally, this is how Project 2025 blew up as an attack. It was worming around in the background of attacks, then Donnie said I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT PROJECT 2025 which immediately caused the news organizations to Streisand effect it. Turns out, it's hard to say you know nothing about it, when you spoke at the organization in 2022 and the writers are all your people! It was such an obvious bullshit denial that it got media-wide coverage.

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Sep 3, 2024

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Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
I like cookies.
Trump would be losing less if he joined the Carolina Panthers

At least they managed one win last season

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.

facialimpediment posted:

The spokesman, Steven Cheung, said the campaign was prepared to release footage supporting its account, but it has not done so.

:lol:, they're not releasing anything because it's going to be damning to them.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

CBJSprague24 posted:

:lol:, they're not releasing anything because it's going to be damning to them.

It's absolutely spot-on for rear end in a top hat schoolyard bully behavior though. It's every immature shithead sitting on the bus shooting spitballs, but they're (theoretically) grown adults and looking to be in charge of the entire nation again.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
STOLEN (arches) VALOR!!!!!

https://x.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1831018529476300929?t=4rIBsB_Vkoanh33bVnbG9Q&s=19

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1831025945693581684?t=FvrFAxF_EmX-UQa4RPGeBQ&s=19

He always says the dumbest poo poo in the friendliest venues. Below-replacement level campaigner.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



The not most, low average shameful poster

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 28, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


facialimpediment posted:

Kamala's campaign appears to have hit a snag that I don't recall another campaign ever having to deal with before: too much loving money

https://x.com/michaelscherer/status/1830954782028357702?t=k5F0oGcNUs4Fk0PP63NPxg&s=19
I thought (and maybe this was a month or three ago, 2024 goes too fast and yet too slow) the Trump campaign's problem was that they had a decent war chest they just weren't spending any of it?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

the Trump campaign's problem was that they had a decent war chest they just weren't spending any of it?

It's hard to fund a war chest when the guy in charge keeps embezzling it and no one's willing to call him out on it.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

I thought (and maybe this was a month or three ago, 2024 goes too fast and yet too slow) the Trump campaign's problem was that they had a decent war chest they just weren't spending any of it?

Well, not spending it on election stuff anyway. Lots of it is still going to lawyers I imagine since Donnie Goodbrain's entire strategy is to throw money at the problem and drag things out eternally. Can't argue the results of that I suppose given that if I had in my home even an intelligible scrap of the stuff he kept in the Mar-a-lago shitter I wouldn't be seeing daylight again until my deathbed. Just not a cheap way to do things.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

I thought (and maybe this was a month or three ago, 2024 goes too fast and yet too slow) the Trump campaign's problem was that they had a decent war chest they just weren't spending any of it?

There's a halfway-decent recap here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...-campaign-says/

The general trouble is that it's nearly impossible to track Donnie's spending because he shoves all the money into family-linked consultancies. Our data is a month old right now, but it's especially tough to track the money because of all the poo poo he outsourced. They barely have field offices yet, outsourced get-out-the-vote poo poo to Charlie Kirk, and Donnie has legal bills. As soon as he gets the money, it goes out to some weird firm or another.

Kamala is likely managing the campaign to try and make the bank account read $0 at the end (after post-election legal bills). Donnie likely wants to keep some money available because if he loses, he could still use it! Cheap fucks gonna cheap gently caress.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Remember when a Florida state senator wanted to give trump $5 million from taxpayers to cover his legal bills but DeSantis said no? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/23/desantis-florida-veto-trump-legal-bill

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE
Dumb question, Mike Pence presided over the Senate counting the electoral college votes. Will Kamala Harris preside over the Senate count of her and Trump's votes?

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Torrannor posted:

Dumb question, Mike Pence presided over the Senate counting the electoral college votes. Will Kamala Harris preside over the Senate count of her and Trump's votes?

Yep!

But it won't be like 2020 because Congress actually passed Electoral Count Act reform. It's explicit that the VP's job is powerless and ministerial only. So if Donnie wins, Kamala won't be able to reverse the result if she has the courage.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

facialimpediment posted:

There's a halfway-decent recap here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alison...-campaign-says/

The general trouble is that it's nearly impossible to track Donnie's spending because he shoves all the money into family-linked consultancies. Our data is a month old right now, but it's especially tough to track the money because of all the poo poo he outsourced. They barely have field offices yet, outsourced get-out-the-vote poo poo to Charlie Kirk, and Donnie has legal bills. As soon as he gets the money, it goes out to some weird firm or another.

Kamala is likely managing the campaign to try and make the bank account read $0 at the end (after post-election legal bills). Donnie likely wants to keep some money available because if he loses, he could still use it! Cheap fucks gonna cheap gently caress.

The other thing is Kamala has less corrupt incompetents spending that money. Some of her consultants aren't worth their salt, but most of them will give her just as much get-out-the-vote action as she pays for. Meanwhile, Trump's family-linked consultancies are skimming so much off the top they are almost Russian. He's given them enough money that they should be able to have a full set of proper field offices, but they clearly don't, and the reason is probably that the money disappeared into a bunch of fancy cars and beachside mansions.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007
OK, though experiment here:

Would trump running a real campaign actually backfire?

It's clear that the only thing he's capable of is rambling about nonsense and firing up his base of deplorables. With that in mind, if he tried to actually have consistent, nuanced positions on issues supported by traditional political field work, I'm not sure that would move the needle any for him, and might actually be a turn off for the people who appreciate him as a berserker.

OTOH, right now the functions of campaign field offices and a volunteer structure are being carried out by people buying trump poo poo and driving around town in their dumbass brodozers/standing on corners yelling about democrats. Luckily, America seems to be tiring of this bullshit.

Coasterphreak
May 29, 2007
I like cookies.

stealie72 posted:

OK, though experiment here:

Would trump running a real campaign actually backfire?

It's clear that the only thing he's capable of is rambling about nonsense and firing up his base of deplorables. With that in mind, if he tried to actually have consistent, nuanced positions on issues supported by traditional political field work, I'm not sure that would move the needle any for him, and might actually be a turn off for the people who appreciate him as a berserker.

OTOH, right now the functions of campaign field offices and a volunteer structure are being carried out by people buying trump poo poo and driving around town in their dumbass brodozers/standing on corners yelling about democrats. Luckily, America seems to be tiring of this bullshit.

None of his supporters actually listen to anything he says.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Coasterphreak posted:

None of his supporters actually listen to anything he says.

Well, they listen to the hatred and bigotry emotions he conveys. All the words he uses are just meaningless mouth-sounds they parse for those emotions and then discard like the empty vessels they are.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

stealie72 posted:

Would trump running a real campaign actually backfire?

Donnie running a real campaign would be Trumpism without Trump. We're actively seeing that right now in real-time: JD Vance.

Donnie running a real campaign would be a hurricane without wind. The wind is kind of the whole point! You can see him backlash against the concept of a real campaign any time he's told to read a statement directly from a page. You'd think he was asked to read the phonebook out loud.

Although, he should be doing all of the other "real campaign" infrastructure poo poo - field offices, GOTV listings, etc. But he's too lazy, there's money to be grifted, and that's how I end up getting mailers from the state Republican party. Internal mailing list data must be realllllly lovely from years of neglect.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

DEER CRACKERS
Trump won 2016 while having actual dogshit for a ground game, and he figures that he can do it again.

windshipper
Jun 19, 2006

Dr. Whet Faartz would like to know if this smells funny to you?
My dad died in January. Ever since then they’ve been sending the Trump mailers addressed to him to my house. They either get shredded or burned for fun, but hell - if they want to waste their money that way, sure.

davecrazy
Nov 25, 2004

I'm an insufferable shitposter who does not deserve to root for such a good team. Also, this is what Matt Harvey thinks of me and my garbage posting.

Platystemon posted:

Trump won 2016 while having actual dogshit for a ground game, and he figures that he can do it again.

He just has to run against a woman that almost everyone hates or is indifferent too!

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
I won't feel like we're out of the woods until/if President Harris is sworn in, but the first woman President being an American of black and Indian descent is very cool and good and I hope many who had their brains broken by Obama are now dead so we can just like, hopefully start to unfuck our poo poo

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
This thread reminded me that my parents and I get mail-in ballots, and those things are fuckin sweet

JudgeJoeBrown
Mar 23, 2007

https://apnews.com/article/trump-hush-money-sentencing-new-york-immunity-a905207c7db9fc48d022d68ac6cc12e1?taid=66d781971a022c00015e6b78

Womp Womp.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Leave posted:

This thread reminded me that my parents and I get mail-in ballots, and those things are fuckin sweet

Before, I had to pull my sample ballot from the SecState, do all my loving research, write the poo poo down, keep track of that, and bring it to the polling booth. Now I just... do my research and fill out my ballot. And I usually drop it off as I go to city hall for election inspector (poll worker) training. It rules and chuds are stupid for attacking it.


The kind of circumstances when Donnie could really, really use the state judge cutting him a break. Too bad Donnie threatened him, his family, and ate a bunch of contempt charges. The sentencing is typically probation, but Donnie might've talked himself into some time (if the judge doesn't postpone).

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Elderly, first-time offender with a not-very-dramatic financial crime? As much as I detest Trump, anything beyond probation would be firmly outside the norm, I would think.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

OddObserver posted:

Elderly, first-time offender with a not-very-dramatic financial crime? As much as I detest Trump, anything beyond probation would be firmly outside the norm, I would think.

Highly likely it's just probation, but NBCNews got a local lawyer that thought otherwise (national commentator first in this quote):

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-prison-hush-money-trial-verdict-rcna153963

quote:

An analysis conducted by Norm Eisen, who worked for House Democrats during Trump’s first impeachment, found that roughly 1 in 10 people who have been convicted of falsifying business records are imprisoned and that those cases typically involved other crimes.

Ron Kuby, a veteran New York criminal defense lawyer, took a different view.

“Judge Merchan is known for being a harsh sentencer when it comes to white-collar crimes committed by people who have wealth and privilege and power,” he said.

Kuby added he believes "it is substantially likely Judge Merchan will sentence Trump to jail or prison time," despite the logistical and practical complications that locking up a person with Secret Service protection would entail.

Kuby said that's because the criminal scheme went on for over a year and included a number of bad acts on Trump's part.

“It’s an entire course of conduct he was involved with — not just one bad decision,” he said.

My general point is that Donnie decided to piss off the one person with power here. He could even make the sentence Really Stupid Probation Requiring Malicious Compliance - forced reporting of every single movement he makes or else probation is revoked. Kind of stupid to piss that person off!

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

OddObserver posted:

Elderly, first-time offender with a not-very-dramatic financial crime? As much as I detest Trump, anything beyond probation would be firmly outside the norm, I would think.

Trump's own behavior is firmly outside the norm, though. What's the precedent for people who are maximally antagonistic and contemptuous to the entire legal system throughout the whole process?

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

Wingnut Ninja posted:

Trump's own behavior is firmly outside the norm, though. What's the precedent for people who are maximally antagonistic and contemptuous to the entire legal system throughout the whole process?

People with Trump’s “wealth” and notoriety are probably smart enough to pay the right people and shut up about it.

People without Trump’s wealth just go to jail and you never hear about them.

davecrazy
Nov 25, 2004

I'm an insufferable shitposter who does not deserve to root for such a good team. Also, this is what Matt Harvey thinks of me and my garbage posting.
3 months starting the day after the election would be good.

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.

facialimpediment posted:

Before, I had to pull my sample ballot from the SecState, do all my loving research, write the poo poo down, keep track of that, and bring it to the polling booth. Now I just... do my research and fill out my ballot. And I usually drop it off as I go to city hall for election inspector (poll worker) training. It rules and chuds are stupid for attacking it.

The kind of circumstances when Donnie could really, really use the state judge cutting him a break. Too bad Donnie threatened him, his family, and ate a bunch of contempt charges. The sentencing is typically probation, but Donnie might've talked himself into some time (if the judge doesn't postpone).

It's awesome, because when they arrive I can get home from work and get it done. No more going to the voting place, having to wait, figure out which ward I'm in (and how the line separating two wards is literally in the middle of the street) and disappear into the magic booth.

And I hope Donnie gets himself a nice harsh probation officer, too. He won't have to drop for a drug test, will he? It's a...Well, it's a horrible image, but he deserves the indignity of it.

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

In down-ballot news, North Carolina US Senate candidate Mark Robinson appears to be gunning for the Guinness Record for Worst Candidate Ever:





Not even going to try capturing his many other remarks, beyond that they're abhorrent even by 2024 GOP standards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Robinson_(American_politician)#Political_views_and_remarks

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


CommieGIR posted:

Well yeah because Trump is basically embezzling all the RNC's money so nothing to spare for the GOP.

it will be extremely loving funny to me if trump winds up being the root cause of death for the GOP because he crippled it from both ends by stealing all of the money and thoroughly corrupting the base

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Republican candidate quality sure isn't what it used to be.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/03/us/harris-trump-election#tim-sheehy-native-americans-montana

NYT posted:

Tim Sheehy, the Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in Montana, made comments perpetuating racist stereotypes about Native Americans during private fund-raisers last year, according to recordings of the events published by a local news outlet late last week and obtained by The New York Times.

In one recording, Mr. Sheehy, a cattle rancher and businessman, can be heard saying that he had participated in roping and branding cattle on the Crow Reservation, in southeastern Montana, and that it was “a great way to bond with all the Indians out there, while they’re drunk at 8 a.m.” In another clip, he said that he had ridden in a Crow parade, and that “they’ll let you know whether they like you or not, there’s Coors Light cans flying by your head.”

Dude is in a trump-friendly state and is caught talking to donors about Native American stereotypes and trashing abortion when there's an abortion measure on the ballot. Turning a potential walk-in election into a faceplant.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Kinda hoping trump doesn’t get jail time pre-election, he’s not doing well & that would be a big narrative switch. Nonstop media coverage of what prison it will be, his rants against NYC, probably more endless appeals, & wouldn’t say that sort of free attention has been harmful to his candidacies. Better to have him on probation & hopefully get him jailed post election for one of the big cases.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
He's a wealthy white dude doing money crimes with no criminal record for a life time of other money crimes because he has money, giving him first time offender status. He'll get fines at worst that he'll mostly ignore, and his cultists will end up paying off for him. And every other case has been delayed into irrelevance.

MonkeyFit
May 13, 2009

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Kinda hoping trump doesn’t get jail time pre-election, he’s not doing well & that would be a big narrative switch. Nonstop media coverage of what prison it will be, his rants against NYC, probably more endless appeals, & wouldn’t say that sort of free attention has been harmful to his candidacies. Better to have him on probation & hopefully get him jailed post election for one of the big cases.

Throw him on probation and then jail him post election when he inevitably violates probation.

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

Leave posted:

It's awesome, because when they arrive I can get home from work and get it done. No more going to the voting place, having to wait, figure out which ward I'm in (and how the line separating two wards is literally in the middle of the street) and disappear into the magic booth.

I have literally never voted in person (2000 election was first vote by mail in OR which was also the first one I was old enough to vote in.

Reading the election guide at home then having to write down all of my votes on a piece of paper to take to the place where I transfer them to the official piece of paper sounds dumb as hell.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Whole bunch of correct winners imo

https://www.michigan.gov/sos/resources/news/2024/09/04/secretary-benson-announces-2024-i-voted-sticker-design-contest-winners

https://x.com/jonathanoosting/status/1831271972581355623?t=hvpWsejfBQCm_HNSwFZyGA&s=19

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Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


goatsestretchgoals posted:

I have literally never voted in person (2000 election was first vote by mail in OR which was also the first one I was old enough to vote in.

Reading the election guide at home then having to write down all of my votes on a piece of paper to take to the place where I transfer them to the official piece of paper sounds dumb as hell.

Same, WA voter my whole life. I remember going to the polling place with my dad as a kid, but I've always voted by mail. Its the best.

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