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boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
Wrong thread

But since I sniped I’ll say gently caress Donald Trump.

Also Monty rules. Vote for Monty.

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facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
So KamalaHQ sometimes likes to paraphrase a bunch of poo poo to make a political attack.

This is a true direct quote: "I don't not believe him"

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1837877308201308188?t=5xas6vYfF7PcoVe6v8zwvQ&s=19

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor

pantslesswithwolves posted:

The Kennedys and unanticipated brain trauma.

The karmic vengeance for Rosemary spreads across generations.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

DEER CRACKERS

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006
Sadly, he's not actually old enough to have been at Camp Crystal Lake when Jason drowned. :(

Mister Tuxedo
Apr 17, 2012

How can you call yourself a G, if you haven't partied with CT?

A.o.D. posted:

Sadly, he's not actually old enough to have been at Camp Crystal Lake when Jason drowned. :(

Woulda made a decent J movie tho.

Stilk could.

I'm super stoked for everyone to finally realize how to vote this year. Turnout gonna be key for all the folk.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.
e- Disregard. The video of Loomer losing her mind apparently wasn't from tonight and it took a bit more of a deep dive into Twitter than usual to verify.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

DEER CRACKERS

quote:

Former President Donald Trump said he doesn’t believe he would run for office again in four years if he loses the November election.

“No, I think that that will be, that will be it. I don’t see that at all,” Trump told interviewer Sharyl Attkisson on her show “Full Measure” when asked if he sees himself running again in four years if his presidential bid is unsuccessful.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-wont-run-again-loses-november-election-rcna172147

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

Platystemon posted:

Former President Donald Trump said he doesn’t believe he would run for office again in four years if he loses the November election.

“No, I think that that will be, that will be it. I don’t see that at all,” Trump told interviewer Sharyl Attkisson on her show “Full Measure” when asked if he sees himself running again in four years if his presidential bid is unsuccessful.

quote:

"I shouldn’t joke because you know what? Running against the worst candidate in the history of presidential politics puts pressure on me," Trump said. "Could you imagine if I lose? My whole life, what am I gonna do? I'm gonna say: 'I lost to the worst candidate in the history of politics.' I'm not gonna feel so good. Maybe I'll have to leave the country — I don't know."

narrator: he was lying

AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Sep 23, 2024

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

narrator: he was lying

Ding ding ding.

He's a malignant narcissist. He was saying something in the moment that won't matter at all the next moment because he never said it in the first place. If he loses he'll Etch-a-Sketch the reality between his ears and suddenly he won but they cheated and stole it so he never lost really when you know the truth. Then he'll run again because he deserves it.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Trump is going to keep running until he's dead. And even then, I'm anticipating some kind of God Emperor of Mankind situation where his mummified corpse is still put on the ballot.

MonkeyFit
May 13, 2009

psydude posted:

Trump is going to keep running until he's dead. And even then, I'm anticipating some kind of God Emperor of Mankind situation where his mummified corpse is still put on the ballot.

Thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up having a stress induced heart attack if he loses. His legal troubles are closing in around him and he's been delaying poo poo for so long, he won't be able to delay it by another 4 years. I don't know that he would ever see the inside of a jail cell. But I could see his lifestyle of hamberders and lack of real exercise finally catching up to him.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

DEER CRACKERS
There’s an entire menagerie of GOP characters who were cowed from running in 2024 but are not going to hold back in 2028.

Trump dunked on just such a menagerie in 2016, but he’s not even half as energetic eight years later, let alone twelve.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





i still want him to see everything he has get taken away before he dies alone and unloved, but i'll settle for him just dying of fatness

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Platystemon posted:

There’s an entire menagerie of GOP characters who were cowed from running in 2024 but are not going to hold back in 2028.

Trump dunked on just such a menagerie in 2016, but he’s not even half as energetic eight years later, let alone twelve.

Junior is gonna take up the mantle, then. There is no more Republican party - he's turned it into an extension of his family business.

Flikken
Oct 22, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it
Yeah but no one gives a poo poo about JR. Let alone caring about Eric or even Ivanka. MAGA will die with Trump, I am curious what the GOP is going to look like after his death.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
Trump said if he loses he won’t run again but he never said if he wins he won’t run for a third term!

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
Trump also said if he lost in 2020 you'd never see him again.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug
Pillbug

Flikken posted:

Yeah but no one gives a poo poo about JR. Let alone caring about Eric or even Ivanka. MAGA will die with Trump, I am curious what the GOP is going to look like after his death.

I suspect there's going to be a lot of untangling of Trump and GOP finances, its going to be a mess.

Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.
How did he get so thoroughly enmeshed in the time frame he did? How did Trump become (if that's the right way to say it, I'm not sure) the GOP?

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Leave posted:

How did he get so thoroughly enmeshed in the time frame he did? How did Trump become (if that's the right way to say it, I'm not sure) the GOP?

The GOP had been wealthy businessmen who thought they were American Conservatism, and were using what they saw as a small idiot selection of evangelicals and segregationists to gain power and implement their laissez-faire paradise. Then Trump brought in all the conservatives who had been sitting out elections since George Wallace and demonstrated that the hypercapitalists were the minority and the fascists were the silent majority (of right wingers) who had just been waiting for one of theirs to gain prominence.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
The way I've always thought about it is that the Republican base has always demanded only getting told what they wanted to hear.

Republican establishment types did that, but fed the base what they wanted to hear via consultant language. The base got told what they wanted, but they were irritated that they had to filter out the consultant weasel words.

Donnie gives the base what they want, straight-up, with no weasel words. No consultants in the way or moralism to worry about! It's all right there, minimum filtering required. This is also why Republican primary voters keep nominating really, really lovely downballot candidates. Hard to go back to vegetables when Donnie serves up nothing but candy.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

It’s interesting seeing continued hints of how trump & co grifters seizing the RNC is bad news for state level candidates. In WA governor race they are running a real candidate as opposed to a clown four years ago, yet a lack of national help means he’s badly strapped for funds. He’d probably lose anyway but that’s not a given.

quote:

The state GOP had just $76,000 in its state accounts at the end of August — less than 2% of the $4.3 million stashed by the state Democratic Party, according to the latest filings to the Public Disclosure Commission.

quote:

State Rep. J.T. Wilcox, R-Yelm, the former House Republican leader, said it’s been that way as long as he’s been involved in politics. “One of the great misconceptions people have about the parties is that Republicans are the rich party,” he said.

Lol I know of at least one evil local aerospace parts supplier CEO who has given trump seven figures multiple times.

quote:

As if Democrats didn’t have a big enough edge, the Democratic Governors Association has also poured money into the gubernatorial race.

The national group has donated more than $500,000 to the state Democratic Party and launched a $1 million TV ad campaign last week slashing Reichert over his votes in Congress for bills restricting abortions.

In 2012, the Republican Governors Association was a big spender in Washington, dropping more than $11 million in support of McKenna. So far this year, the RGA has not spent a dime for Reichert.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/why-the-wa-republican-party-is-struggling-for-cash/

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

Leave posted:

How did he get so thoroughly enmeshed in the time frame he did? How did Trump become (if that's the right way to say it, I'm not sure) the GOP?
The party pre-Trump was believed to have a leash on the insane and (more) authoritarian segment of its base, even as that rabid dog grew. When Trump showed up and crushed the nominee for '16, the party establishment had a choice between repudiation, accommodation, and bending the knee. While a handful left, most took the latter two options.

Accommodation with the intent to co-opt him failed over the course of his presidency, with establishment figures again being forced to either step aside or fall into line. Into that vacuum strode the most loyal agents of the Trumpian wing of the party, even after his loss and Jan 6. Mitch McConnell was pivotal in stonewalling Trump being subject to repercussions for his attempt to overthrow democracy and cleared the path for his continued stranglehold.

The most important takeaway of this looking back is how it informs our looking forward. There's some vocal folks who ostensibly self-identify as left-wing, but prefer to focus on "liberal perfidy", downplaying the risk of Trump regaining office and complaining that Democrats continuously assert each successive election as the most important in anyone's lifetime. This criticism is obviously wrongheaded, though: Trump has cut himself free of the establishment types who constrained his worst impulses and is openly proclaiming his intent to conduct violent ethnic cleansing and eliminate his political enemies, a roadmap which would effectively end democracy in America. He has the national and most state Republican parties, he has the slavering base of extremists, we're only lucky that he doesn't appear to have a well-organized paramilitary (though I hope that latter doesn't just stem from insufficient coverage of the militias).

tl;dr: poo poo's hosed and Trump needs to lose, if only to see the GOP self-cannibalize afterwards.

Cugel the Clever fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Sep 23, 2024

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.

Cugel the Clever posted:

He has the national and most state Republican parties, he has the slavering base of extremists, we're only lucky that he doesn't appear to have a well-organized paramilitary (though I hope that latter doesn't just stem from insufficient coverage of the militias).

tl;dr: poo poo's hosed and Trump needs to lose, if only to see the GOP self-cannibalize afterwards.

My hope is that if the militias do exist, they're so paranoid they have Feds embedded in their midst that they don't follow through on what they'd like to.

Problematic Soup
Feb 18, 2007

CBJSprague24 posted:

My hope is that if the militias do exist, they're so paranoid they have Feds embedded in their midst that they don't follow through on what they'd like to.

From first and secondhand experience in the South, the militias are just not really there as any kind of effective force. They are generally paper tigers, badly prone to infighting and really stupid drama, and they really seem to be much less willing to fight when they realize that very permissive gun laws around here mean that they aren’t the only ones who are strapped. The way a friend of mine put it is that these dicks are absolutely willing to kill for their beliefs, but they are not willing to die for them.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


Problematic Soup posted:

From first and secondhand experience in the South, the militias are just not really there as any kind of effective force. They are generally paper tigers, badly prone to infighting and really stupid drama, and they really seem to be much less willing to fight when they realize that very permissive gun laws around here mean that they aren’t the only ones who are strapped. The way a friend of mine put it is that these dicks are absolutely willing to kill for their beliefs, but they are not willing to die for them.

Back in 2013, between Obama's reelection and inauguration, my friend's proto-chud roommate asked me in all earnestness "why do we let Democrats keep winning elections when we have all the guns?" Dude himself wasn't even a gun owner and had the build of meal team six, but he loved to wishcast a short, victorious civil war.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

Problematic Soup posted:

From first and secondhand experience in the South, the militias are just not really there as any kind of effective force. They are generally paper tigers, badly prone to infighting and really stupid drama, and they really seem to be much less willing to fight when they realize that very permissive gun laws around here mean that they aren’t the only ones who are strapped. The way a friend of mine put it is that these dicks are absolutely willing to kill for their beliefs, but they are not willing to die for them.

A few (too few) of the jan 6th shitheads going to jail popped the trumo people's notion that they were immune to consequences. That scattered them even harder than his electoral loss. The more die-hard ones have weeded themselves out, either by refusing to get vaccinated for covid or capering dumbass poo poo like the dude who fired a nailgun into the bulletresistant glass of a fed building and texted that they were going to take away his account as opposed to, well, gunning him down.

Mister Tuxedo
Apr 17, 2012

How can you call yourself a G, if you haven't partied with CT?

Problematic Soup posted:

From first and secondhand experience in the South, the militias are just not really there as any kind of effective force. They are generally paper tigers, badly prone to infighting and really stupid drama, and they really seem to be much less willing to fight when they realize that very permissive gun laws around here mean that they aren’t the only ones who are strapped. The way a friend of mine put it is that these dicks are absolutely willing to kill for their beliefs, but they are not willing to die for them.

A ton of the stuff at end of 20th century seems to actively promote lone wolf BS. There's at least one book called They Want To Kill Americans which examines what author calls the Trump Insurgency in The US. He references research into a bunch of their right gunshow literature and I had three takeaways.

McVeigh, etc did real small group weird poo poo. This may continue.

Meanwhile the militias themselves are like racist GravySEAL Halo 2 clans.

And they are all not worth discounting/dismissing as unthreatening. They can vote or carry tiki torches.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

There was a joke in the militia movement in the 90s that I heard as a kid.

"You have a squad of 9 guys. How many men do you have?"

"1, and 8 loving Feds."


I'd venture most militia groups larger than maybe 6 have Feds in them, or on them already. They just don't care to do anything.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



Mister Tuxedo posted:

A ton of the stuff at end of 20th century seems to actively promote lone wolf BS. There's at least one book called They Want To Kill Americans which examines what author calls the Trump Insurgency in The US. He references research into a bunch of their right gunshow literature and I had three takeaways.

McVeigh, etc did real small group weird poo poo. This may continue.

Meanwhile the militias themselves are like racist GravySEAL Halo 2 clans.

And they are all not worth discounting/dismissing as unthreatening. They can vote or carry tiki torches.

You do realise the threat difference between terrorism and gaining control of the us government right? The weather forecast has more firepower than the former

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


bulletsponge13 posted:

There was a joke in the militia movement in the 90s that I heard as a kid.

"You have a squad of 9 guys. How many men do you have?"

"1, and 8 loving Feds."


I'd venture most militia groups larger than maybe 6 have Feds in them, or on them already. They just don't care to do anything.

I had worried for a time that the hands off approach to the bird refuge whackos and the fact that only the tarp wizard got shot would embolden the militias but fortunately that doesn't seem to have played out.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Arrath posted:

I had worried for a time that the hands off approach to the bird refuge whackos and the fact that only the tarp wizard got shot would embolden the militias but fortunately that doesn't seem to have played out.

A lot of lefties, arguably correct, believe that AG Garland was Biden's worst pick, as he's been way, way too focused on poo poo like decorum when republican federal courts are openly changing rules and poo poo just because they can. But his DOJ just crossed 1500 J6 prosecutions and they're up to 900 guilty pleas.

That's basically why these last four years have been relatively quiet. When the J6ers weren't greeted as liberators like they thought they'd be, and actually got some fuckin consequences, poo poo cooled down a whole lot.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.
https://x.com/VoteHubUS/status/1837855763877810463?t=tfhnOgNLjoODyC5BFFCbzA&s=19

I'd like to hope this is a good signal.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

CBJSprague24 posted:

I'd like to hope this is a good signal.

Disregard almost all of it. Democrats, especially in Pennsylvania, went absolutely nuts for mail voting for 2020. 2022 had a steep decline in Democrats requesting mailed ballots and same deal for expectations for 2024 countrywide:

https://x.com/tbonier/status/1837256099411407098

Also, Donnie is kinda-sorta pushing mail voting. This will be one of the elections where everyone will yap about the early vote returns and early voting periods while knowing jack poo poo about what any of it actually means. 2020 was a complete outlier with the pandemic, 2022 was a midterm, and during the last comparable presidential in 2016, both candidates were despised. Harris is favorability-neutral, which is near-shocking, and Donnie's higher than he's ever been, but still around -10.

Mister Tuxedo
Apr 17, 2012

How can you call yourself a G, if you haven't partied with CT?

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

You do realise the threat difference between terrorism and gaining control of the us government right? The weather forecast has more firepower than the former

Of course boss. We talkin about the wee folks I thought and their literature.

Now that the election looks the way it does, I wonder what kinda drama is coming out of folks mouths next

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Nice to see Lucy pulling the football from someone else for a change:

https://x.com/igorbobic/status/1838323489163415877

Donnie, Graham, and chucklefucks really made a push in the last week to shut off the Kamala's Blue Wall Only strategy. Turns out nobody really moved and one of the critical state senate votes really, really wants to be mayor of Omaha, the city they wanted to gently caress with. Oops!

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe
I live in rural Missouri. Drove through ruraler Missouri today to grab a trailer. There were a shocking number of Harris/Walz signs out there. It was 4 total that I noticed, but that was still surprising to me. I generally expect zero when out and about. Relatively few trump shrines either. Also surprising.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
I've started seeing a few 3'x3' Harriz/Walz signs around town, which seems like a new format. It definitely stands out.

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facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Mark Robinson is now in the rare territory of getting unendorsements. Been a while since I've seen that!

https://x.com/MurphyAJC/status/1838363013029429325?t=kD6Zrhce7sEvObub4r9Rkw&s=19

Edit: more poo poo from politico - the IP address matched Robinson's location and it wasn't just Ashley Madison with his email address:

quote:

Leaked database files from other website breaches show that Robinson’s email address was registered on the dating websites Adult Friend Finder and Mate 1, and the now-defunct website Lords Of Porno. 

And again, if Brown pulls it off in Ohio, it's another case of really lovely Republican candidate quality:

https://x.com/metzgov/status/1838363945062498508?t=opPNaUd0EfuvfgG7fwzknQ&s=19

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