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orange juche posted:Harris wants to sit down with joe rogan which will gain her zero votes but won't sit down for 15 mins with a Palestinian-American to talk about certain issues in the middle east that could absolutely cost her her (narrow) margins in swing states like MI, PA and WI. Technically correct (I don't know the specific people she's been meeting), spiritually incorrect. From October 4th: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/kamala-harris-meets-leaders-muslim-arab-american-communities-rcna174115 And there's a counterargument to that situation that she's not meeting with enough groups, but she's doing the behind-the-scenes meetings you're asking for. Edit: reading between the lines more or less shows that too https://x.com/daveweigel/status/1836754099607306346?t=3Ft8sqcVZhDFeLcgJLVsKQ&s=19
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CBJSprague24 posted:I've grown loving sick and tired of the ever-increasing golf cart trend in my suburban neighborhood
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There's these $10,000 souped up golf carts that are gaining popularity here and the reason they might be more dangerous than full fized canyoneros is people think its okay for kids to drive them like its a gokart when the thing must weight at least 500lbs/220ish kilos and people let their junior high or even elementary school age children drive them up and down the road 
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facialimpediment posted:Donnie's trying to murder his rallygoers again, this time in Oaks, PA: I had the exact same thought, but I think it's creepy because him showing a genuine, non-preplanned human emotion to a joke is...*human* I sincerely don't recall a single instance of Trump showing or saying anything other than the most evil and atrocious behavior/things...ever.
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Trying not to have a continuous existential crisis with the election and work stuff and failing. Hooray
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facialimpediment posted:Technically correct (I don't know the specific people she's been meeting), spiritually incorrect. From October 4th: Not really spiritually incorrect, she's not meeting with the right people, and she's not doing it publicly which is two fuckups for the price of one, (3 if you count her trumpeting that she's meeting rightwingers like Joe Rogan openly, which will lose her votes among blue voters in these states while not picking up anyone across the aisle). People with connections in these communities have serious reservations that Harris is going to actually do anything positive for the Palestinian or Lebanese people regarding doing simple things like enforcing the US laws regarding sales of arms to countries actively engaging in human rights violations, and it absolutely can smoke her chances in this election. Trump is trying to make inroads with these groups as well, and he doesn't really need to get them to vote for him as long as he can peel them away from voting for Harris into not voting on the top of the ticket. She needs to meet with Arab-American groups, and publicly, not behind closed doors, grant an interview and take actual questions on these issues because they will wind up losing her the election if she doesn't, since she's literally in a dead heat with Trump in the Arab-American community right now. Pretending that she can win the election without this group, when the margins in the northern swing states are as thin as they are, is a ticket to 2016 again. orange juche fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Oct 15, 2024 |
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The counterpoint here is that you can't say that she'll gain zero votes from doing Rogan because his audience is massive, and it's a crucial demographic of young men that are otherwise getting inundated in right-wing garbage. I think Rogan sucks, but if she can make a friendly appearance and get even a fraction of that audience to swing their vote or even just stay home, that's a huge win for a relatively small investment in time. Especially if she gets to focus on things his audience will care about like legalizing marijuana and (urgh) "protecting" crypto. e: Also simply meeting with Arab-American groups isn't necessarily going to win votes because she's not going to be able to publicly promise what they want (stop supporting israel) without a massive backlash and media frenzy—which is the last thing her campaign is going to want to deal with in the middle of loving October just a few weeks before the election. double e: And frankly at this point it's not like promising a weapons embargo would be a guarantee to get those votes anyway. Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Oct 15, 2024 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:The counterpoint here is that you can't say that she'll gain zero votes from doing Rogan because his audience is massive, and it's a crucial demographic of young men that are otherwise getting inundated in right-wing garbage. I think Rogan sucks, but if she can make a friendly appearance and get even a fraction of that audience to swing their vote or even just stay home, that's a huge win for a relatively small investment in time. Especially if she gets to focus on things his audience will care about like legalizing marijuana and (urgh) "protecting" crypto. In an hour she's not going to be able to penetrate the wall of brainrot bullshit that Rogan inflicts upon his regular viewers, which is why I am saying it will not win her any votes. Also, as soon as she's off the podcast it's back to usual programming fellating Cheeto Benito and spreading protect the cats memes. They'll sink right back into their fever swamp because Rogan says things that make their think meats tingle in a way they like.
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Joe Rogan is a sea sponge who absorbs whatever talking point his guest made within five seconds. The Fox News interview is a much worse idea.
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orange juche posted:In an hour she's not going to be able to penetrate the wall of brainrot bullshit that Rogan inflicts upon his regular viewers, which is why I am saying it will not win her any votes. You could say the same thing about going on Fox News for an interview, but there's still value in doing so - even if only 1% of that audience is persuadable, the audience is so big that it could still translate to tens of thousands of votes.
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i am going to trust that the candidate, who has been vice prez for four years, helped run against (and win against) mr. dictator, and who has already proven to be smart enough to ignore obviously lovely advice (clinton advisors) knows what she's doing like, i am genuinely more worried that the other guy is riling up enough loving nutjobs that something bad is going to happen that has nothing to do with kamala.
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Maybe Rogan can have Alex Jones and Jordan Peterson back on for a counterpoint. Let’s normalize hanging out with Nazi propagandists
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That Works posted:Maybe Rogan can have Alex Jones and Jordan Peterson back on for a counterpoint. Let’s normalize hanging out with Nazi propagandists It’s called keeping your Twitter account
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Acebuckeye13 posted:The counterpoint here is that you can't say that she'll gain zero votes from doing Rogan because his audience is massive, and it's a crucial demographic of young men that are otherwise getting inundated in right-wing garbage. I think Rogan sucks, but if she can make a friendly appearance and get even a fraction of that audience to swing their vote or even just stay home, that's a huge win for a relatively small investment in time. Especially if she gets to focus on things his audience will care about like legalizing marijuana and (urgh) "protecting" crypto. That's basically where I'm at. The Arab/Palestinian groups are fully right, but Kamala won't/can't give them what they want, either privately or publicly. If her current mouth noises aren't enough for them privately, they're surely not going to be enough publicly in an interview format. She's not going to go where she needs to go on Israel's Daily Hospital Bombing, so Rogan is probably lower risk at puncturing the "Kamala is a dumb bitch that can't speak words good" veil going around. I doubt that the votes available are net-zero on a Rogan appearance, while a predictably terrible Palestinian-topic interview could lose plenty.
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Joe Rogan is a yes-man to anyone that goes on his podcast.
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Anyways on a non-argumentative thing: looks like Donnie's expected plan to gently caress around with any Georgia result is shut off: https://x.com/stphnfwlr/status/1846170225294627321?t=b8yLSNqI_rtoYzMLnvDRHQ&s=19 A complete win for Team Ministerial and Donnie's fuckers on the election board can't even delay the inevitable anymore.
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Handsome Ralph posted:They're playing it all over, keep getting it in the DC and Baltimore markets as well. For those of you that don't get Donnie's ads, every single one of them basically ends with an image with a weird They Live-style statement like ONLY TRUMP CAN BRING BACK THE STRONG ECONOMY. An example from Donnie's random mixtape dance-a-thon yesterday:  I'm moderately surprised they danced instead of ritually sacrificing a dog with Noem on stage.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:You could say the same thing about going on Fox News for an interview, but there's still value in doing so - even if only 1% of that audience is persuadable, the audience is so big that it could still translate to tens of thousands of votes. She's also talking to Bret Baier, who may be the only remotely objective person on that network. That in itself may make it worthwhile as compared to her sitting down with any of the mutants on literally any other show on the network, especially with the primetime opinion psychopaths. facialimpediment posted:For those of you that don't get Donnie's ads, every single one of them basically ends with an image with a weird They Live-style statement like ONLY TRUMP CAN BRING BACK THE STRONG ECONOMY. An example from Donnie's random mixtape dance-a-thon yesterday: TRUMP WAS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING is some dictator Propaganda if I've ever seen it. It's also comically pathetic to anyone whose critical thinking skills are still intact.
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Things Trump was right about: The Bush Family Ted Cruz Choice of tailors Regeneron
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facialimpediment posted:Anyways on a non-argumentative thing: looks like Donnie's expected plan to gently caress around with any Georgia result is shut off: Wait for Georgia's Supreme court to rule on it.
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That Works posted:Maybe Rogan can have Alex Jones and Jordan Peterson back on for a counterpoint. Let’s normalize hanging out with Nazi propagandists We are well past normalization - Rogan has the #1 podcast on every platform iirc, and his little mini-mea dominate the top 20 positions. This poo poo has become the mainstream, by and large, whether or not you engage with it.
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That picture should be in schoolbooks. Not history, psychology. Goddamn it's almost too perfect for everything imaginable
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But trumps economy was not what I consider strong at all. gently caress it ended during a loving pandemic. Short term memory mother fuckers.
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Rogan is a relatively soft interviewer, and has a massive audience of people who only get their info on Harris from inside the RWM bubble. Anyone who actually likes Trump for Trump is lost, but there's a significant portion of that audience that does not like Trump, but has been fed a media diet of Harris as an insane caricature. Piercing that media bubble and humanizing Harris to those people could have a potentially significant impact. Not because Rogan's audience is going to suddenly start voting Dem, but because a small percentage of those people stay home because they think Trump sucks and they're no longer as afraid of Harris.
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In line for coffee this morning I heard two dudes talking about how Harris is too deferential to the "lunatic left" and she needs to prove she's less racist than Trump by unequivocally coming out in support of Israel and Ukraine before they'd consider voting in this election. I assume this is the demographic Joe Rogan reaches.
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Soylent Pudding posted:In line for coffee this morning I heard two dudes talking about how Harris is too deferential to the "lunatic left" and she needs to prove she's less racist than Trump by unequivocally coming out in support of Israel and Ukraine before they'd consider voting in this election. The Joe Rogan demographic mostly thinks we are doing way too much for Ukraine IME, but I'm glad those dudes at the coffee shop were in support of Ukraine.
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I sometimes wonder what the world would look like if we only got to vote while standing in line to the coffee shop. The water has wondrous effects on the human mind n'est pas?
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facialimpediment posted:Living in a swing state, I'm getting an absolute onslaught of ads saying "Senator X is TOO LIBERAL FOR YOUR STATE" and "KAMALA HARRIS USED YOUR TAXPAYER ABORTIONS TO FUND SEX CHANGES FOR PRISONERS" and "KAMALA IS FOR THEY/THEM NOT FOR YOU". The campaign has obviously judged that the proper way to respond to that stuff is never-trump republicans endorsing her in ads, rather than directly addressing the ads. Can't be that liberal/crazy if never-trump Republican X is happily endorsing her! I don't especially like it for probably a ton of obvious reasons, but I can see how 'look she's not too liberal for alberto gonzalez and dick cheney' is actually a fairly compelling argument in response to that.
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Donnie had his first neutral-moderator interview in a full month and it basically went how you think it would: https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1846238322676383918?t=pWBgSUA1NgWQxQBhBTofMA&s=19 Edit: https://x.com/UAW/status/1846256579680637012?t=nVxYzcFgoZtEWJmC9B4OFw&s=19 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Oct 15, 2024 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I don't especially like it for probably a ton of obvious reasons, but I can see how 'look she's not too liberal for alberto gonzalez and dick cheney' is actually a fairly compelling argument in response to that. Right on time: https://x.com/BenjySarlin/status/1846235344393433426?t=EUWpmv1Mfwp63uGDXKLW9Q&s=19 quote:Here’s the most important thing to know about the closing message from the two campaigns: It’s not for you. Also why Kamala is sending Walz out to the rurals in an attempt to pull an Obama: keep the rurals out of complete landslide territory and turn dudes like these from sit-outs / third-parties to Kamala https://x.com/Jemsinger/status/1846157287636746548?t=8k09m-7_vHA2pdqmKbO9hw&s=19
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So apparently at that PA rally last night Donnie's brain went *frzzzzzt- POP* I guess? When two people went down from the heat he kinda stopped holding an actual town hall and just sundowned for over half an hour with the entire crowd staring at him while he had his personal playlist pumped through the sound system. It's apparently his hugbox feel-good playlist that he retreats to when he's raging out, so he had it played and, I guess, disassociated or something? Just didn't talk to the crowd of people standing around looking at him for almost 40 minutes, listened to his playlist, jerked off some invisible dicks, wandered around the stage, then had YMCA played and left.
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bird food bathtub posted:So apparently at that PA rally last night Donnie's brain went *frzzzzzt- POP* I guess? When two people went down from the heat he kinda stopped holding an actual town hall and just sundowned for over half an hour with the entire crowd staring at him while he had his personal playlist pumped through the sound system. It's apparently his hugbox feel-good playlist that he retreats to when he's raging out, so he had it played and, I guess, disassociated or something? Just didn't talk to the crowd of people standing around looking at him for almost 40 minutes, listened to his playlist, jerked off some invisible dicks, wandered around the stage, then had YMCA played and left. I read somewhere one of the songs was accompanied by a video which, to me, felt like they just went to YouTube and ran the song from there. He had a couple whoopsies again today: https://x.com/SwissWatchGuy/status/1846279438989963316?t=moNGuTxajRPPvz9SyXSUfg&s=19 https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1846244477100302681?t=PQCx1UBeYV7eozMp7C4lBw&s=19
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I guess now what I wonder is what happens if he cacks it in the next three weeks? Like, not just a stroke into a coma or something but a full on flatline with complete and irreversible brain death. Does Vance get bumped up to the president ticket and the VP ticket for the GOP just stays empty to be filled in the event Vance wins? Or does the GOP get to vote for a corpse that would get ceremonially posthumously inaugurated for a few milliseconds before Vance gets handed a bible and told to repeat the oath?
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bird food bathtub posted:Just didn't talk to the crowd of people standing around looking at him for almost 40 minutes, listened to his playlist, jerked off some invisible dicks, wandered around the stage, then had YMCA played and left. This WaPo chunk covered it the best: quote:Trump has long obsessed over his playlist, and aides have often described him privately DJing on his campaign plane or at his Mar-a-Lago Club patio in Florida. Donnie got mad about people going down and ruining his previous rally, so he reverted to Mar-a-lago mode where he was all like THIS RALLY IS NOW ABOUT MY FIRE PLAYLIST. Except the people in the rally weren't giving him $1m/year to act as yes men to get their dumbshit ideas into his ears, so they didn't have to pretend to like it. Kazinsal posted:I guess now what I wonder is what happens if he cacks it in the next three weeks? Like, not just a stroke into a coma or something but a full on flatline with complete and irreversible brain death. Does Vance get bumped up to the president ticket and the VP ticket for the GOP just stays empty to be filled in the event Vance wins? Or does the GOP get to vote for a corpse that would get ceremonially posthumously inaugurated for a few milliseconds before Vance gets handed a bible and told to repeat the oath? Ballots are locked as they are. Voters vote for the full ticket and if Donnie can't make it, JD's on the stage with the chief justice.
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Hot Take: Vance would have a better chance of winning than Trump because he would pull back in people who won’t vote/will vote third party because they hate Trump but can’t vote for a democrat. I think Trump is about at his absolute floor in regards to support.
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facialimpediment posted:Right on time: I think it’s super smart on their part. I’ve mentioned it here, but I see way more Harris signs in rural Missouri than I imagined I would. I legit think trump’s support has softened considerably.
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boop the snoot posted:It really sucks, though, that his rock bottom for support is still probably at least 60-65 million votes. That 60 million people are fuckers who cannot even contain an entire coherent thought in their head
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orange juche posted:That 60 million people are fuckers who cannot even contain an entire coherent thought in their head It's called the weave! https://x.com/justinbaragona/status/1846237899101999457?t=ZDxZxjkjt9Z_tqbvi1Q8zg&s=19
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boop the snoot posted:Hot Take: Vance would have a better chance of winning than Trump because he would pull back in people who won’t vote/will vote third party because they hate Trump but can’t vote for a democrat. I think the ensuing chaos, and the chunk of fuckin' weirdos who will stay home rather than pull the lever for anyone but big daddy would probably more than counteract the never trumpers, and JD's probably poison in their eyes by association anyway.
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