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Lord Awkward
Feb 16, 2012

Flikken posted:

Rachel Maddow was reporting it

Yeah I take MSNBC with a grain of salt, just because afaik it does lean left, so I'm just curious if CNN, ABC etc pick it up

* If I were to take Fox at all it would be with a whole salt block, but I don't

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That Works
Jul 21, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Lord Awkward posted:

Yeah I take MSNBC with a grain of salt, just because afaik it does lean left, so I'm just curious if CNN, ABC etc pick it up

* If I were to take Fox at all it would be with a whole salt block, but I don't

Maddow shows excerpts of the email. Plays audio of Daniels and her attorney on the phone with Trumps attorney. Not sure what else you’re gonna get outside of a court room.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
the real question is if any other networks will cover it; msnbc doing it is fine, but they're small compared to cnn and others

i wonder if this will have any impact whatsoever on the previous hush money case considering, well, here we go again

Flikken
Oct 22, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

Zamujasa posted:

the real question is if any other networks will cover it; msnbc doing it is fine, but they're small compared to cnn and others

i wonder if this will have any impact whatsoever on the previous hush money case considering, well, here we go again

Playing that before the judge sentences him might ummm push things towards maximums

Lord Awkward
Feb 16, 2012

That Works posted:

Maddow shows excerpts of the email. Plays audio of Daniels and her attorney on the phone with Trumps attorney. Not sure what else you’re gonna get outside of a court room.

Thanks, and fair enough, I was getting ready for work and just saw the Rolling Stone article, haven't had a chance to see the Maddow bit yet

That Works
Jul 21, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Flikken posted:

Playing that before the judge sentences him might ummm push things towards maximums

I'd like this to be true. Not a lawyer but would this even matter in that regard?

AFAIK the crime was covering up how Daniels was paid and where the money came from, not that it's illegal to pay someone to sign an NDA where there wasn't a crime being covered up.

Honestly would love to hear a lawyer's take on this one.

Flikken
Oct 22, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

That Works posted:

I'd like this to be true. Not a lawyer but would this even matter in that regard?

AFAIK the crime was covering up how Daniels was paid and where the money came from, not that it's illegal to pay someone to sign an NDA where there wasn't a crime being covered up.

Honestly would love to hear a lawyer's take on this one.

I thought there was an election related charge in there

That Works
Jul 21, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Flikken posted:

I thought there was an election related charge in there

Wasn't it coming from campaign funds?

In this one its Daniels paying legal costs to Trump over the other case she lost iirc and Trumps team is basically giving a discount if she will agree to not discuss Trump in public. Not sure if that ties back into campaign money somehow or not.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
IIRC the crime was falsifying business records (to obfuscate the source of the money), and what made it into a felony was that it was being done in furtherance of another crime (election interference/undeclared campaign contribution).

But this latest hush money thing is for a completely different case so I don't think that would factor in to any judgment on the felony case, especially at this point after the trial already found him guilty.

Flikken
Oct 22, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

That Works posted:

Wasn't it coming from campaign funds?

In this one its Daniels paying legal costs to Trump over the other case she lost iirc and Trumps team is basically giving a discount if she will agree to not discuss Trump in public. Not sure if that ties back into campaign money somehow or not.


quote:

What prosecutors needed to prove was that Trump falsified the records in order to further another crime — in this case, violating the New York election law that makes it a crime for “any two or more persons [to] conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means.”

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Donnie's dipshit spokesman tried to spin the Daniels thing as part of the Iranian hack when NBC's team got email confirmations from... Daniels's lawyer

https://x.com/NBCPolitics/status/1846900305834672180?t=qQOPE_oBpipU8PtOkFEc2A&s=19


quote:

In a statement to MSNBC, Trump campaign spokesperson Steven Cheung falsely asserted that the documents Maddow referenced “were attained as part of an illegal, foreign hacking attack against President Trump and his team.”

“We are working with authorities to determine the legal repercussions for those likely committing federal offenses by posting and utilizing stolen material by terror regime adversaries,” he continued. “Ms. Daniels has been held to account by having to pay President Trump over and above the money she owes to him as a result of her wrongdoings.”

MSNBC obtained the documents from Daniels’ lawyer, not through a hack. 

Another case where if Donnie wins, it's despite of his campaign.

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Oct 17, 2024

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.

facialimpediment posted:

So, ignore all polls from basically now until the election. They're all going to say the same thing and polls can't judge when margins are slim.

Except for one. This one poll ONLY, just because the implication is very, very funny:

https://x.com/remynuma/status/1846672722765426856?t=d6Fq6jDKUCONU-gktQFViA&s=19

(the subgroup margin of error is likely gigantic, this is just for the hilarious implications)

Is it cynical to believe the networks and media want the race to be close to draw eyeballs and ratings?

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
After Trump thoroughly embarrassed Maddow about his tax returns in 2017, MSNBC should’ve gotten another messenger for this story.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

CBJSprague24 posted:

Is it cynical to believe the networks and media want the race to be close to draw eyeballs and ratings?

No, but neither is it useful.

Lord Awkward
Feb 16, 2012

facialimpediment posted:

Donnie's dipshit spokesman tried to spin the Daniels thing as part of the Iranian hack when NBC's team got email confirmations from... Daniels's lawyer

https://x.com/NBCPolitics/status/1846900305834672180?t=qQOPE_oBpipU8PtOkFEc2A&s=19

Another case where if Donnie wins, it's despite of his campaign.

well there we go.

every time I see a quote from Cheung, it's just absolutely rabid, like the guy is either 500% onboard with Trump or has learned exactly how to fake it/what Trump wants from a spokesperson (being an rear end in a top hat apparently?)

Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007

Lord Awkward posted:

well there we go.

every time I see a quote from Cheung, it's just absolutely rabid, like the guy is either 500% onboard with Trump or has learned exactly how to fake it/what Trump wants from a spokesperson (being an rear end in a top hat apparently?)

I can't remember if I've said it here before, but I would be astonished if he doesn't regularly mock Cheung's name in a racist accent.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



If I understand catholicism correctly, Daniels has suffered enough to qualify for sainthood now right?

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.



ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

If I understand catholicism correctly, Daniels has suffered enough to qualify for sainthood now right?

Someone should submit Monica Lewinsky’s name. She was the OG of this sort of scandal.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

Quackles posted:

Someone should submit Monica Lewinsky’s name. She was the OG of this sort of scandal.

Yeah Lewinsky had it worse because she wasn’t a “pro”. Extra stigma in her life from that bullshit.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.
https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1846935004669956607?t=Cyt4Yby02MAlSLjAmWbaUw&s=19

Crab Dad posted:

Yeah Lewinsky had it worse because she wasn’t a “pro”. Extra stigma in her life from that bullshit.

She also didn't have the "advantage" of her president having a stable of followers whose reaction to what their POTUS got into was "Niiiiice." and "I wish I could do that!"

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


I am sure the MSM will give Trump canceling stuff the same attention they gave Joe Brandon losing his mind ... I'm being told that is not remotely possible

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



If trump gets elected they'll 25th him and put Vance on top, it's their way to detach maga from its leader and retain their base

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus

orange juche posted:

If trump gets elected they'll 25th him and put Vance on top, it's their way to detach maga from its leader and retain their base

after all the sunk cost of getting him there? lmbo ya ok

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



ded posted:

after all the sunk cost of getting him there? lmbo ya ok

I mean I guess it doesn't matter if he's making GBS threads his diap and drooling as they hand him the next discriminatory law to sign

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Nick Soapdish posted:

I am sure the MSM will give Trump canceling stuff the same attention they gave Joe Brandon losing his mind ... I'm being told that is not remotely possible

The trouble is that he's still showing up once or twice a day in something, then botching it, or the news orgs get sidetracked into debunking crazy poo poo that happened days before:

https://x.com/Hadas_Gold/status/1846659332139549057?t=Q-mEELUrQMbrmAHnNiZZfA&s=19

https://x.com/GarrettHaake/status/1846965026248126961?t=-2vy9j7XForA9QOCtKOTBw&s=19

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1846897011859067325?t=357iL3TdUdoqA4z0YZgRQQ&s=19

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus

orange juche posted:

I mean I guess it doesn't matter if he's making GBS threads his diap and drooling as they hand him the next discriminatory law to sign

its what they did the first time he was there why change now

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

This kind of seems like critiquing Fox for not disclosing that the panel was breathing oxygen or that it occurred on a day ending in "y". Did Fox ever imply anything to the contrary? Was anyone not expecting it to be a carefully curated hugbox for Trump?

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Wingnut Ninja posted:

This kind of seems like critiquing Fox for not disclosing that the panel was breathing oxygen or that it occurred on a day ending in "y". Did Fox ever imply anything to the contrary? Was anyone not expecting it to be a carefully curated hugbox for Trump?

Mostly lies by omission, but even lies by omission throughout. Like taking a question from "undecided voter Kelly" and Kelly was like a state GOP chair or some poo poo.

And for content: have a chuckle at how tiny the fundraising bump was when donnie got shot - even his voters didn't care

https://x.com/jsscppr/status/1846685804892176854

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Oct 17, 2024

Flikken
Oct 22, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

facialimpediment posted:

Mostly lies by omission, but even lies by omission throughout. Like taking a question from "undecided voter Kelly" and Kelly was like a stage GOP chair or some poo poo.

And for content: have a chuckle at how tiny the fundraising bump was when donnie got shot - even his voters didn't care

https://x.com/jsscppr/status/1846685804892176854

Maybe his constant fund raising has finally tapped his base out.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.
https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1846966863961772090

Flikken posted:

Maybe his constant fund raising has finally tapped his base out.

"I mean...I could donate $999 to his campaign...OR...I could buy a Trump Brand WatchTM."

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Flikken posted:

Maybe his constant fund raising has finally tapped his base out.

I wonder how many of his small dollar donors have no more money remaining. There was that article a few years back about how they made it super difficult to stop ongoing donations & can’t imagine that’s improved.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
jesus loving christ that's the best political counter-heckle I've ever heard

https://x.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/1847029063921422787?t=Ef8hirXAADS_jdQx3ae5Yg&s=19

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

facialimpediment posted:

jesus loving christ that's the best political counter-heckle I've ever heard

https://x.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/1847029063921422787?t=Ef8hirXAADS_jdQx3ae5Yg&s=19

https://youtu.be/XkYZFoW5NK8?si=4wKA8IeAaUk0s4_K

This is still my all time favorite heckler clap back by a politician

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Totally forgot about Barry's SOTU.

Also, tomorrow the Special Counsel's J6 Appendix comes out, over donnie's legally-weak objection.

https://x.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1847064246884135142

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.
When did people start suggesting that if Trump wins, Vance will immediately invoke the 25th Amendment and overthrow him to cement a MAGA state?

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug
Pillbug

CBJSprague24 posted:

When did people start suggesting that if Trump wins, Vance will immediately invoke the 25th Amendment and overthrow him to cement a MAGA state?

There is no MAGA without Trump, Vance is too spineless.

Tiny
Oct 26, 2003
My leg hurts....

CBJSprague24 posted:

When did people start suggesting that if Trump wins, Vance will immediately invoke the 25th Amendment and overthrow him to cement a MAGA state?

In my echo-chamber social group, right after the VP debate.

Vance is scary because he's Peter Thiel's daytime familiar, except he's GOOD at talking and not sounding insane. Vance is the one to be afraid of. Trump's dementia-brain is honestly a better outcome as president than Vance's almost-literal-vampire overlords getting a muppet president who welcomes their hands up his rear end.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Donnie is full of poo poo with a cheddarbrain that has deteriorated into cheeze whiz that's been out too long. JD Vance is just full of poo poo.

Donnie is amoral because he doesn't know what morals are. JD is amoral because he knows what morals are and decided they're for cucks.

Functionally, JD would be more effective at being a terrible president because he has a higher expected competency level for making the evil happen. Donnie's so blisteringly incompetent that all the evil he wants to do gets jammed in a door for a few months before he can implement it (a lot like his scandals). Republicans really, really want Trumpism without the Trump, which is not a thing, but JD could get closer to their overall Bannonian vision.

But neither of them can tell jokes, loving hell.

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1847095249694241120

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

DEER CRACKERS

Tiny posted:

In my echo-chamber social group, right after the VP debate.

Vance is scary because he's Peter Thiel's daytime familiar, except he's GOOD at talking and not sounding insane. Vance is the one to be afraid of. Trump's dementia-brain is honestly a better outcome as president than Vance's almost-literal-vampire overlords getting a muppet president who welcomes their hands up his rear end.

Yeah Democrats are way too dismissive of Vance’s talent as a politician. He’s not a once‐in‐a‐generation great, but I would say that he’s in the top decile of sitting senators and governors.

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facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Platystemon posted:

Yeah Democrats are way too dismissive of Vance’s talent as a politician. He’s not a once‐in‐a‐generation great, but I would say that he’s in the top decile of sitting senators and governors.

Not really, he's just a chameleon zone-flooder. He has the ability to rhetorically shift between hard-right wingnut chud and slightly-creepy Republican normie Senator. He's below replacement-level and ran way behind DeWine (governor) in Ohio: 62-37 to 53-47. His approval ratings still suck even after the debate when he chameleoned into "nice person" instead of "gently caress you and your cats at home I hope I get to revoke your right to vote".

We're just all grading him on a curve against Donnie, since JD can at least string sentences and coherent thoughts together and will say yes to ANY loving speech / interview / Q&A. He's just everywhere. And he can answer adversarial questions from the media without dissolving into an overgrown toddler.

Edit: or maybe he's just not loving old, it really just could be that

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Oct 18, 2024

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