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CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.
https://x.com/stevenghill/status/1849477949747003679?t=FeZZ174hSheozbnJI4QfIg&s=19

Naturally, they claim he didn't send that old postcard from Palm Beach with his polygraph-lookin' rear end signature on it.

facialimpediment posted:

The majority of them probably think that Fox News isn't "mass media" (even though they're the biggest), or they've defected from Fox News completely to Newsmax/OAN/RSBN if they think Fox News is too "mass media.". Probably a question phrasing thing.

Edit: Forgot too, Gallup has been very weird about their methodologies lately. These numbers are far enough apart that they're credible, but Gallup doesn't even poll/report the presidential race because they don't believe they can anymore.

FOX themselves don't think they're mass/mainstream media. I had to suffer through enough Five visiting my dad to have learned that :ironicat: tidbit.

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facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
AP did the work today.

quote:

After he spoke in Austin, Trump greeted executives from Blue Origin, the space exploration company owned by billionaire Jeff Bezos.

Bezos is the founder of Amazon and the owner of The Washington Post, which reported Friday that its editorial board won’t endorse a candidate for president. The decision was framed as a return to earlier tradition, but it sparked speculation that Bezos wants to avoid antagonizing Trump, who has vowed retribution against his enemies and critics if he returns to the White House.

The Post editorial board endorsed Trump’s Democratic rivals in 2016 and 2020, and the former president has often railed against critical news coverage by the newspaper.

Trump spoke briefly with Blue Origin’s CEO, David Limp, and vice president of government relations, Megan Mitchell, as he left a hangar where he spoke to supporters and journalists at the Austin airport.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
Oh so that’s not just his dumb signature and it’s how he writes everything?

I didn’t know handwriting could be so egregiously insufferable.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003

he somehow makes English cursive look like Cyrillic cursive

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.
Interesting thread of six or seven tweets from someone who says most of their career was in political analysis:

https://x.com/StayWonked/status/1849786990125891935?t=qxFQq-bOGCJjftwX-VytPQ&s=19

What says the GIP hivemind? Is he on to something?

Pine Cone Jones
Dec 6, 2009

You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!

CBJSprague24 posted:

Interesting thread of six or seven tweets from someone who says most of their career was in political analysis:

https://x.com/StayWonked/status/1849786990125891935?t=qxFQq-bOGCJjftwX-VytPQ&s=19

What says the GIP hivemind? Is he on to something?

My man, I loving hope so.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Pine Cone Jones posted:

My man, I loving hope so.

Pine Cone Jones
Dec 6, 2009

You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!

CBJSprague24 posted:

Interesting thread of six or seven tweets from someone who says most of their career was in political analysis:

https://x.com/StayWonked/status/1849786990125891935?t=qxFQq-bOGCJjftwX-VytPQ&s=19

What says the GIP hivemind? Is he on to something?

Also, I can't see the other tweets as I deleted my twitter

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

CBJSprague24 posted:

Interesting thread of six or seven tweets from someone who says most of their career was in political analysis:

https://x.com/StayWonked/status/1849786990125891935?t=qxFQq-bOGCJjftwX-VytPQ&s=19

What says the GIP hivemind? Is he on to something?

*nods at account I’ve never heard of telling me what I want to hear* it’s my lock of the week

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

CBJSprague24 posted:

What says the GIP hivemind? Is he on to something?

75% copium, 25% legitimate. Texas/Florida might be margin of error, but real close to outside the margin of error. Donnie/Kamala are effectively tied in favorability. The rally in Texas is not to put Texas in play, it's to put abortion back in the headlines because of the poo poo Abbott is doing. And a good counterexample is the amount of money Republicans are putting in fresh into Nevada because they like the early voting numbers (which are still too early to draw conclusions from). Right track / wrong track numbers are also heavily skewed towards a sour mood.

It's essentially a tied, to maybe D+2 national environment in a polling desert that only spits out margin-of-error numbers (after "Shy Donnie Voter" adjustment) or numbers near where they were in 2020. The election is coming down to campaign versus cult - Kamala's competent, established GOTV structure and clearly superior campaign, versus Donnie's cult and money chucklefucklery coming in to compensate.

Lots of smart campaign watchers give a slight edge to Donnie, I lean Harris just due to competency of the above. But that could be personal bias and my general viewpoint that Kamala's basically been mistake-free and couldn't have run a much better campaign within the overall environment (Gaza, inflation, etc).

Basically, polls are *always* wrong, but if they go wrong by a normal amount, could be a blowout on either side. Neither side is acting like there's a blowout brewing.

:words:

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.

Pine Cone Jones posted:

Also, I can't see the other tweets as I deleted my twitter

For what it's worth in case anybody else is in Pine Cone's boat:

https://twitter.com/StayWonked/status/1849787792844333352
https://twitter.com/StayWonked/status/1849787796363358541
https://twitter.com/StayWonked/status/1849787800012357748
https://twitter.com/StayWonked/status/1849787803736887581
https://twitter.com/StayWonked/status/1849843133489590686

Pine Cone Jones
Dec 6, 2009

You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!

I'll say I'm drunk and channeling my dad, who once asked why no one shot down the Koch's plane. Please let this poo poo be true. Let trump get stomped like loving Mondale.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

DEER CRACKERS
The early voting figures are weird, and no one knows what to do with them.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Platystemon posted:

The early voting figures are weird, and no one knows what to do with them.

Impossible to know too, for the same reason pollsters don't really know how to weigh their samples right.

Republicans are really turning out, but that's mostly because Donnie suddenly shifted and fully promoted early voting. Democrats are lagging on their usual mail-in strength, but that's because they mostly don't care about the pandemic anymore. I'm seeing lots of hyper-political people on my feeds only voting NOW, in person, when I mailed my poo poo in two weeks ago.

We don't know how much Republicans are cannibalizing their election day vote and converting it to early. We don't know how much Democrats have abandoned mail vote in favor of early/election day voting.

Yay!

Edit: oh and I saw a thing where there's some poo poo like R+5% on the returned ballot quantity, but women being 55% of the returned ballots. 1 + 1 = cheddar

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Oct 26, 2024

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

CBJSprague24 posted:

For what it's worth in case anybody else is in Pine Cone's boat:
https://twitter.com/StayWonked/status/1849787803736887581

How the heck would democrats winning Congress eradicate MAGA? They’d still be as obstructionist as possible with the additional advantage of not needing to pass a budget & would be posturing and criticizing every step the Dems take & trying to generate nonstop scandals. Plus we’re gonna see a lot of Jan 6ers ending up in the House & who knows if one with have charisma & not be dumb as a post.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.
I think there was only one Q shaman though. Also MAGA is going to fight with non-maga republicans possibly even more than dems.

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011

I don't think you can "eradicate MAGA" at this point. They literally ate horse dewormer and somehow the movement survived.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost
That twitter user guy who says Florida gonna go strongly for Harris is not on the election “Actually Knows Things” analysis list. I’m sure Wasserman, et al just forgot to add him.

Wombot
Sep 11, 2001


This reads like someone got ahold of this analysis: https://app.vantagedatahouse.com/analysis/TheBlowoutNoOneSeesComing-1 and then started theory crafting and fantasizing on top of it.

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

FWIW about a month or so Jamelle Bouie was bullish on the election outcome for similar reasons (swing state senate race polling, Harris' climbing favorability ratings, the major disconnects in ground game between the two campaigns), although I don't think he went as far as predicting a full blowout. There's also the fact that Harris has managed to close within a few points of Trump on the question of who would be better on the economy, while most of Trump's endgame messaging seems focused on culture war crap like anti-trans that failed to gain any traction back in 2022.

But then again, the average voter is inscrutable and possibly suffering from chronic heavy metal poisoning so who knows.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003

I suspect the race is less close than most of the narratives around it suggest but holy gently caress is it stupid and premature to say the words blowout

Terrifying Effigies posted:

FWIW about a month or so Jamelle Bouie was bullish on the election outcome for similar reasons (swing state senate race polling, Harris' climbing favorability ratings, the major disconnects in ground game between the two campaigns), although I don't think he went as far as predicting a full blowout. There's also the fact that Harris has managed to close within a few points of Trump on the question of who would be better on the economy, while most of Trump's endgame messaging seems focused on culture war crap like anti-trans that failed to gain any traction back in 2022.

But then again, the average voter is inscrutable and possibly suffering from chronic heavy metal poisoning so who knows.

yeah at most I'd say that there are some compelling reasons to be bullish, but we're basically still in the first quarter as far as voting is concerned. there's still time for so much to happen

Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Oct 26, 2024

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.
"I wanted to spend more time with Joe Rogan, so please stick around another at least 3 hours and---"

https://x.com/megan_lebowitz/status/1849968164357931209?t=HFDPuwn6olobBBQccqyjJg&s=19
https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1849974811121906135?t=EUKH6teQnF4YE5KPXu75-A&s=19

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





haha kamala was right

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
imo the real kicker is just how wet our wettest boy was after the three hours with rogan

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1849972061118071140

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

mlmp08 posted:

That twitter user guy who says Florida gonna go strongly for Harris is not on the election “Actually Knows Things” analysis list. I’m sure Wasserman, et al just forgot to add him.

That string of tweets sure has the potential to age like a bottle of fine piss in the sun though.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Terrifying Effigies posted:

FWIW about a month or so Jamelle Bouie was bullish on the election outcome for similar reasons (swing state senate race polling, Harris' climbing favorability ratings, the major disconnects in ground game between the two campaigns), although I don't think he went as far as predicting a full blowout. There's also the fact that Harris has managed to close within a few points of Trump on the question of who would be better on the economy, while most of Trump's endgame messaging seems focused on culture war crap like anti-trans that failed to gain any traction back in 2022.

But then again, the average voter is inscrutable and possibly suffering from chronic heavy metal poisoning so who knows.

Oh yeah just a guess but I think the impact of voters actually liking Harris, as opposed to Hillary or Biden, will be a big positive.

Man I dunno how if Biden had stayed in how it could have been winnable. Especially as GOP could have stuck to roadmap & probably had some surprises lined up that fizzled, like how they were trudging into Hunter Biden hearings when few care anymore.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

CBJSprague24 posted:

Interesting thread of six or seven tweets from someone who says most of their career was in political analysis:

https://x.com/StayWonked/status/1849786990125891935?t=qxFQq-bOGCJjftwX-VytPQ&s=19

What says the GIP hivemind? Is he on to something?

Does his analysis align with what I want? Then I like it.

Does his analysis go against what I want? Then it is bullshit.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
that gum you like is going to come back in style

https://x.com/KevinlyFather/status/1849997368277827838/video/1

fuckin shriveled-up rear end dale cooper shitbag

lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".
The election is 50/50 at this point so flip a coin. Whichever way it falls, its most likely to fall hard in that direction, which might appear to be a large win/blowout in hindsight. Its not, just how our system is set up and how likely nearest neighbors are to move in the same direction.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

facialimpediment posted:

that gum you like is going to come back in style

https://x.com/KevinlyFather/status/1849997368277827838/video/1

fuckin shriveled-up rear end dale cooper shitbag

If he rambled for three hours & it turned out he was recapping Lincoln in the Bardo, well, I’d be surprised.

Oxygenpoisoning
Feb 20, 2006
It looks like Donnie may have already been in Michigan but waited to come out hoping to steal thunder from Kamala (he came out within 30 seconds of her) but he’s crowd is minor where she’s filled a stadium. I know Texas isn’t in play, but I’m sure he’s going to bed mad about the optic at his genius at to upstage Beyonce.

Nystral
Feb 6, 2002

Every man likes a pretty girl with him at a skeleton dance.

lightpole posted:

The election is 50/50 at this point so flip a coin. Whichever way it falls, its most likely to fall hard in that direction, which might appear to be a large win/blowout in hindsight. Its not, just how our system is set up and how likely nearest neighbors are to move in the same direction.

This is where I land. Even if the final EC tally is 300 to whatever it’s a bunch of 50.1 to 49.9 results across the country.

Jarmak
Jan 24, 2005

Honestly I've been feeling for a little while now that the pieces have been falling into place for a blowout and wrestling with whether it's my own wishful thinking fooling me.

It's not even that I think it's likely, just that the sort mistakes and hubris I'd associate with historic collapses seem to be lining up for the GOP.

Maybe the better way to put it is that I didn't necessarily think it's going to happen, but the things that would need to happen for the unlikely outcome to occur are happening.

Reminds me very much of how I felt in the first 24 hours of the Russian invasion of Ukraine when early reports were coming back of how poorly hostomel and their logistics were being executed.

It's like the hope is so fragile you're afraid to even think it, but you can see the path.

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 27, 2008

Elviscat posted:

That string of tweets sure has the potential to age like a bottle of fine piss in the sun though.

It seems like a whole lot of copium to me, but I'd be super happy if he was right.

I'm feeling loving nervous right now.

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

pantslesswithwolves posted:

It seems like a whole lot of copium to me, but I'd be super happy if he was right.

I'm feeling loving nervous right now.

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm in the same boat.

SquirrelyPSU
May 27, 2003


Kazinsal posted:

I don't think you can "eradicate MAGA" at this point. They literally ate horse dewormer and somehow the movement survived.

I am inclined to agree with this.

And this isn't doomerism, I'm a civil engineer and its like 80/20 R/D.

e: I absolutely do not tell people that I'm a registered Democrat.

SquirrelyPSU fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Oct 26, 2024

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

CBJSprague24 posted:

Interesting thread of six or seven tweets from someone who says most of their career was in political analysis:

https://x.com/StayWonked/status/1849786990125891935?t=qxFQq-bOGCJjftwX-VytPQ&s=19

What says the GIP hivemind? Is he on to something?

Stupid, reckless bullshit. The idea that anything about the ultimate outcome of this election is already well understood is hubris. There is just under two weeks remaining. It's possible that everything they're seeing at this point is just noise.

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

Jarmak posted:

Honestly I've been feeling for a little while now that the pieces have been falling into place for a blowout and wrestling with whether it's my own wishful thinking fooling me.

It's not even that I think it's likely, just that the sort mistakes and hubris I'd associate with historic collapses seem to be lining up for the GOP.
This is where I'm at. The stage seems weirdly set for a blowout, but I don't trust that intuition, especially as it's coupled with a deep anxiety about the common sense of the median voter in our hosed up media environment.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.



https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-definition-of-fascism/

Bret Devereaux, the historian, has assessed whether Trump is running on a fascist platform.

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

DEER CRACKERS
This thread needs some comic relief.

https://x.com/BlackKnight10k/status/1849930497704538161

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