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Soylent Pudding posted:If a Harris blowout happens it will likely be because mostly male journalists and pollsters once again completely overlooked the abortion backlash from women. This is a huge reason why I don’t think it’s as tight of a race as claimed.
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Soylent Pudding posted:If a Harris blowout happens it will likely be because mostly male journalists and pollsters once again completely overlooked the abortion backlash from women. This is my thinking as well. My MiL is a 70 year old boomer who didn't vote for Dem candidates till Biden in '20. She was meh about voting for him again and then Dobbs happened. She's been pretty enthusiastic about voting for Harris and Walz. Anecdotal and all that, but I really think some people aren't taking into account that older boomer women remember what life was like before Roe, and do not want to see a return to that for their kids/grandkids sakes. Regardless, I'm still nervous as gently caress and not allowing myself to get hopeful. Just been going on lots of long runs and doing other productive stuff to try to stave off the anxiety.
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Handsome Ralph posted:This is my thinking as well. My MiL is a 70 year old boomer who didn't vote for Dem candidates till Biden in '20. She was meh about voting for him again and then Dobbs happened. She's been pretty enthusiastic about voting for Harris and Walz.
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fknlo posted:This is a huge reason why I don’t think it’s as tight of a race as claimed. Also why the democratic freakout on Nevada (currently +5% Republican when normally there's a democratic firewall) should be put into context with other states: https://x.com/tbonier/status/1850153451918901337?t=sKGuw0p7cndnOfU6UhwYNw&s=19 It's just one of those elections where polling can't tell you poo poo because they can't match the sample to the population - they don't know enough about who will actually vote. So it's like tied +- 5 and ain't poo poo legitimate analysts can do but go ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Incidentally, Donnie complained about that on Rogan - he was spending millions on polls just to show him up by a little and demanded they should be cheaper if they didn't show him up by more.
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:Similar with my mom, but it was Trump's handling of Covid/BLM/and antivaxxers that turned her in a year from a lifelong small-government republican to 'these people are nuts and I'm never voting for them again.' She's even convinced my dad who's voted straight ticket republican all his life to not vote for Trump even if he can't bring himself to vote for Harris. I think for a long time with folks like my parents the republicans had the (undeserved, or at least very outdated) reputation of being the stable, sensible, responsible, competent adults in the room but Trump and the current MAGA crazies have blown that illusion away big time. I wish there was some kind of angle to work with my folks. Dad is just a jackboot who was so disgusted with 70's NYC and think that's what democrats want to turn everything into and freelance polices calling in sighting of migrants in to the border patrol. He's also one of those scumbags who experiences sincere joy when someone is upset with them but can't do anything but fume. Mom rattles off stupid stories of our family in the old west and early 20th century and freaks the gently caress out when fox tells her about how they're cutting off baby dicks before aborting them or whatever. They think they're frontier settlers in cooperation with federal ultraviolence keeping their homestead secure and they're not ashamed of it.
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Ronwayne posted:I wish there was some kind of angle to work with my folks. Dad is just a jackboot who was so disgusted with 70's NYC and think that's what democrats want to turn everything into and freelance polices calling in sighting of migrants in to the border patrol. He's also one of those scumbags who experiences sincere joy when someone is upset with them but can't do anything but fume. Mom rattles off stupid stories of our family in the old west and early 20th century and freaks the gently caress out when fox tells her about how they're cutting off baby dicks before aborting them or whatever. My parents luckily never went down the fox news rabbithole. My mom watches the local news (probably not much better) and my dad is a Wall Street Journal republican (but doesn't read the editorials). My great uncle was a super smart, kind, well-educated and travelled, broad-minded and tolerant guy but his wife and then him both got sucked into the fox news cinematic universe and there was no arguing with it. I remember a great Roy Blount Jr line from the bush years to the effect of 'different people hold different truths to be self-evident' and if you don't accept the same reality as someone else, it is really difficult to have a reasonable discussion with them.
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Platystemon posted:This thread needs some comic relief. re: less money for their reporters good. They haven’t been telling truth to power for a long time
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Ronwayne posted:I wish there was some kind of angle to work with my folks. Dad is just a jackboot who was so disgusted with 70's NYC and think that's what democrats want to turn everything into and freelance polices calling in sighting of migrants in to the border patrol. He's also one of those scumbags who experiences sincere joy when someone is upset with them but can't do anything but fume. Mom rattles off stupid stories of our family in the old west and early 20th century and freaks the gently caress out when fox tells her about how they're cutting off baby dicks before aborting them or whatever. This was my family alongside being super evangelical and physically / emotionally abusive. I just cut all ties. I became a much better person after I did. Not saying you should do this, everyone has their own circumstances, but you can just walk away from family imo if they are lovely.
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Tiny Timbs posted:re: less money for their reporters Yeah, honestly, gently caress 'em. I had a Post sub for like 10+ years. I cancelled it this past summer because while I agree Biden's debate performance was bad and his age concerning, I got tired of the non-stop " HEY BIDEN IS OLD, HE SHOULD DROP OUT! And maybe the DNC should have a pageant, but for a dem candidate! Also, yeah Trump's insane but why bother reporting on that again?" coverage. I ended up getting subscriptions to the Baltimore Banner for local news, which is made up of a bunch of former Baltimore Sun reporters who left that paper after it was bought by another conservative shitheel, and the Guardian for international stuff. I'm willing to pay for good journalism, even when I don't agree with every single take they publish, but the Post has gone to absolute poo poo in the last 3-4 years. This summer was the tipping point for me, I imagine the non endorsement was it for a lot of other people.
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Handsome Ralph posted:I'm willing to pay for good journalism, even when I don't agree with every single take they publish, but the Post has gone to absolute poo poo in the last 3-4 years. This summer was the tipping point for me, I imagine the non endorsement was it for a lot of other people. https://bsky.app/profile/andycraig.bsky.social/post/3l7evcnmkmd2x It is funny that the non endorsement will probably end up with more ink spent on it than if they'd just put out a milquetoast endorsement that no one paid attention to
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Handsome Ralph posted:Anecdotal and all that, but I really think some people aren't taking into account that older boomer women remember what life was like before Roe, and do not want to see a return to that for their kids/grandkids sakes. Oh yeah it's wild to hear off hand mentions of how powerless women used to be, in the 1970s a now elderly cousin had a disagreement with his wife about how many kids to have so he hid her birth control and that was that, and he was the dang mayor. Considering how many of their kids wound up in jail for creeping on students or running brothels, probably should have deferred to her preferred kid count.
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That Works posted:This was my family alongside being super evangelical and physically / emotionally abusive. Can't really walk away, disabled, probably permanently out of the workforce, and incredibly desperate  . Dealing with their poo poo sandwich is how i'm avoiding homelessness atm. I just gotta deal until they pass. Once dad goes and mom goes back to watching ancient aliens I think things can progress, because for all the inbaked subtle racism AA may have, when compared to the giant reichstag dumpster fire of fox, I'll take it.
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://bsky.app/profile/andycraig.bsky.social/post/3l7evcnmkmd2x It's dumb too, because an endorsement for Harris as you said would have moved the need at most 0.0000001%, and everyone would have forgotten about it 20 minutes after they published it. And even without the endorsement, if Trump wins, he's still going to attack the Post and rank and file reporters. Hell, Bezos is likely going to still get poo poo on if Trump wins. It's incredibly loving stupid and short sighted. Before people knew about his meeting with Bezos team, people were rightfully angry, but chalked it up to a billionaire naively thinking he could pacify the leopard in case the leopard won. Now? Trump's doing fascist 101 poo poo with the press, and everyone can see it clear as crystal, with a little over a week till election day. I'm not saying this is going to change any Trump voters minds, but I sure as poo poo see it turning off some independents. I'm probably wrong, and that's fine, but if this ends up having a "Comey letter" effect on Trump, I am never going to stop laughing about it.
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It’s like they see the Harris endorsement as a pat on the head to assure them they’re still doing a good little journalist job while they sanewash Trump day in and day out
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I just realized, it's paying off in spades now that Harris has not given the Post an interview since Biden got behind her to be the nominee. 
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Handsome Ralph posted:I'm willing to pay for good journalism, even when I don't agree with every single take they publish, but the Post has gone to absolute poo poo in the last 3-4 years. This summer was the tipping point for me, I imagine the non endorsement was it for a lot of other people.
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Handsome Ralph posted:I just realized, it's paying off in spades now that Harris has not given the Post an interview since Biden got behind her to be the nominee. I don't think the Post cares too much. The NYT really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, really, really, really really, cares. tbh I could've added another million "really"s and still not quite match the reality. NYT's leadership is nuts about that poo poo, though the opinion pages already endorsed her a month ago.
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:I don't agree with their politics/editorials nearly as much as I used to, but The Economist's reporting is still really solid, and unlike every American newspaper, they are very good at keeping their editorializing separate from their reporting. It's also a much more global perspective, and being only weekly alot of the noise gets filtered and only the actual important things get reported instead of 'what's the news cycle today'. It's a bit expensive, but I also really like The Financial Times. Good, cut and dry reporting, and they've really had alot of scoops the past few years on a things. Obviously very business focused and lots of articles on XYZ's new CEO or whatever, but also good news. The FT Alphaville blog is also great and I think free? It certainly used to be. I have the Financial Times delivered in good old fashioned newsprint because it was like 1/3 the price of their online subscription. But the local neighborhood fox keeps stealing it / chewing it / peeing on it so I only wind up reading it about 3 days a week.
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psydude posted:I have the Financial Times delivered in good old fashioned newsprint because it was like 1/3 the price of their online subscription. But the local neighborhood fox keeps stealing it / chewing it / peeing on it so I only wind up reading it about 3 days a week. Fox takes the news, chews on it, and pisses all over it, and then delivers what’s left. Checks out.
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https://x.com/atrupar/status/1850266773796651174 Great closing message here, no notes.
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https://x.com/jdawsey1/status/1850162954546655243 Biden has the opportunity to do the funniest thing.
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Handsome Ralph posted:https://x.com/jaketapper/status/1850210618751553950?s=61&t=AUXokj0Z93wgleXvQLVU5Q Oh, journalists trying to hold the powerful to account you say? Like the ones that... just resigned?
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Terrifying Effigies posted:The Cajun says not to panic: It really drills down to this dispatch from Michigan yesterday: NYT posted:Though the Trump campaign and Republicans have been pushing for early voting, Trump is again offering mixed messages here in his rally in Novi, Mich., a suburb of Detroit. He asked the crowd who had voted, and the number was far smaller than those who said they still planned to. “So much for our early voting drive,” he said, then again stressed his belief that single-day voting with paper ballots was more secure. And this dispatch from Georgia: https://x.com/bluestein/status/1850292930285842873 In a tied-race polling environment, I'd rather have the objectively better campaign not being credibly accused of admiring hitler, with a more-proven GOTV operation and better surrogate operation. Like Harris is blanketing the country with herself, Walz, both Obamas, both Clintons, and standard celebrity star power. Donnie wants to make tomorrow's NYC Madison Square Garden rally a blockbuster and here's all he could manage: https://x.com/TaylorPopielarz/status/1850191651282505964 Note the complete absence of any swing-district Republicans on that list. Swing-district/race Democrats are all over Harris rallies doing the intros and such. Republicans on TV can't put sentences together because they're being asked The Hitler Question all the time. Edit: also a reminder that Alexandra Petri is a national treasure https://x.com/TheGraceKeh/status/1850298337091842201?t=VIE2oZpPAcirMyWhvpNq4g&s=19 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Oct 26, 2024 |
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Handsome Ralph posted:https://x.com/jaketapper/status/1850210618751553950?s=61&t=AUXokj0Z93wgleXvQLVU5Q May we see said accountability? No, it's in the kitchen with the steamed hams and northern lights?
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I wish I could be as positive as y'all. November 8th, 2016 is second only to February 24th, 2022 on the list of "horrible news I woke up to."
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Ronwayne posted:Can't really walk away, disabled, probably permanently out of the workforce, and incredibly desperate I just wanted to pop in here and offer an option. If you're already classified as disabled (you can also get in touch with a disability lawyer who only gets paid once you receive any backpay from SSI), you can sign up for a waitlist to live in disabled/65+ housing section 8 housing for a bit. You're allowed to pick whatever state or city for the housing waitlist you'd like. The waiting time could be up to 3 years, but sometimes shorter. Once you receive approval to go live at that location, after a year you can get permission to take your section 8 voucher anywhere else. Every single rental property accepts section 8 vouchers (they have to), and you can pick a decent apartment. You'll only have to pay 30% of whatever the rent would be, and from there you won't have to be stuck in wherever you're at.
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facialimpediment posted:It really drills down to this dispatch from Michigan yesterday: The Madison Square Garden rally strikes me as a self-indulgent dick wag that serves no real purpose other than him showing off to the NY social scene (who don't give a poo poo) that he could rent the arena to make his fee fees better. I base this off a documentary that said he wasn't invited to a social event in the 80s so he counterprogrammed his own somewhere else to try and one up them.
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https://x.com/KevinlyFather/status/1850033711045374094 To be fair, I’m not sure that that makes him more ignorant than the median American.
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And she reposted screencaps of her article publicly to avoid the paywall. https://x.com/petridishes/status/1850307629652103258?s=46&t=fppHBZSlD4AbSz5pJxjFMQ
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Handsome Ralph posted:https://x.com/jaketapper/status/1850210618751553950?s=61&t=AUXokj0Z93wgleXvQLVU5Q Journalists need to start quitting en masse whenever their paper is bought by a lovely billionaire and reforming as a new institution that performs the same function. Obviously some people will be caught up with noncompete and equity or whatever but someone like Bezos or Musk owning you is basically the death knell for actual fact based reporting.
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Soylent Pudding posted:If a Harris blowout happens it will likely be because mostly male journalists and pollsters once again completely overlooked the abortion backlash from women. The big things I see that give me the feel of dominos lining up are: -Abortion backlash among women, and the contrast of that with the potential of the first female president. Specifically that I think it might cause a precedent-breaking female turnout which is getting missed in polls -The complete gutting of the GOP GOTV infrastructure. This has been reported but I don't think it's being taken as seriously as it should be. -Absolutely dogshit down ballot candidates in key swing states. -Trump is running what is probably the worst campaign in the history of human elections. I mean, I know it's Trump, but everything has been turned up to 11. Zero effort to appeal to the middle, full throated Nazi rhetoric (like literally stories coming out about him praising Hitler), dancing silently and just losing his mind at rallies if he even bothers to show up, lying to a whole new level like when he's talking about how there's not an empty seat in the half-empty arena to the people in the arena and saying no one died on Jan 6 right after complaining about Babbit dying. It has the feeling of the sort of thing that people ignore because it's Trump and it never matters but history tends to follow a pattern of people seemingly immune to mattering finding suddenly everything matters all at once. The last one seems the most wishful thinking to me, but I can't help but feel like even the Republicans are just loving tired of him and voting for their team at best.
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My take is newspapers endorsing candidates at all is negative and dumb, BUT even shittier is a paper endorsing candidates for 50 years until they get scared that an extra fascist candidate might be mean to you, so willingly shutting up about them and going out of their way to rephrase the candidate’s own words in more sane/reasonable ways.
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Jarmak posted:-The complete gutting of the GOP GOTV infrastructure. This has been reported but I don't think it's being taken as seriously as it should be. it was posted earlier about after elon taking over as much of 25% of GOTV efforts being falsely reported - i took that to mean people not doing the work but saying they have. Was there anything further on that?
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