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Pine Cone Jones
Dec 6, 2009

You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!
I think for my own well being, I need to tap out of this thread and anything political for a bit.

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mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost
lmao, to keep from watching pointless election updates, I watched Audition (1999) on election night.

It was legitimately a much better use of time, a much deeper movie than I expected, and not as punishing as it was spun up to be by reputation.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sausage.

Smellrose

Zamujasa posted:

lol god damnit. from the atlantic - "why biden's team thinks harris lost"

just the dumbest mother fuckers on the planet

That'll fuckin' do it good grief

Nuclear Tourist
Apr 7, 2005

It feels like a very Democratic Consultant thing to do, insisting that you need to stop doing the one thing that actually seems to be working.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


Zamujasa posted:

lol god damnit. from the atlantic - "why biden's team thinks harris lost"

just the dumbest mother fuckers on the planet

Fuckin ooof.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

Utterly Dethpicable
I feel like such a loving fool for having ever voted for that party.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sausage.

Smellrose

A.o.D. posted:

I feel like such a loving fool for having ever voted for that party.

I get it but not voting won't solve anything either.

Rhymenoserous
May 23, 2008

Zamujasa posted:

i feel like this election was largely lost by biden/establishment dems.

biden not being a one-termer from the get go and only dropping out halfway into the campaign was a huge, huge unforced error and everyone knew it.

everyone knows the SCOTUS is hosed up. as far as i am aware he came out and said he was not going to do anything about it; no packing the court, nothing. closed as wontfix.

covid benefits expired. those had a huge effect, they were there for a bit in the trump times, they went away and now a bunch of people are worse off again.

student loans. he admittedly did some stuff for it, but they're not a massive part of the population and the big news was that it was constantly getting blocked by the SCOTUS, which he had said he wasn't going to do anything about, so :gas:



i'll be honest in that i think the biggest failure of dem policies in the last years is a refusal to raise the minimum wage. it's been $7.25 for fifteen loving years. wealth inequality is everywhere. everyone sees it. every single report of the average american's finances shows they're pretty close to paycheck-to-paycheck with no savings. the entire economy is basically hosed for normal people. you're always hearing about "middle class this", "middle class that" but i think the bottom's just loving fallen out and nobody realizes that a lot of people are lower class now.

we're a nation of permanently ignorant, temporarily embarassed millionaires

My viewpoint is that establishment dems have no intentions to fix poo poo like the courts, roe, etc permanently because they mistakenly think it’s a successful bludgeon to use on the electorate come election time.

I mean I vote for them anyways but I almost hate them more than I hate the republicans because of their stupid shortsighted brinksmanship garbage.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I get it but not voting won't solve anything either.

It's a harsh realization but here we are. There is no solving this. The shitwinds are already blowing. Nobody theoretically in a position to fix the problems wants to while half of them are pedal-to-the-metal "gently caress yeah make it all worse!". There are no solutions under the system as it exists now.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
Looks like WA will be one of the few places where Harris improved on Biden's margins. Will be interesting to see why, but I wouldn't be surprised if part of it is liberal minded people moving here from redder parts of the country.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

bird food bathtub posted:

It's a harsh realization but here we are. There is no solving this. The shitwinds are already blowing. Nobody theoretically in a position to fix the problems wants to while half of them are pedal-to-the-metal "gently caress yeah make it all worse!". There are no solutions under the system as it exists now.

Sure there is - people have to convince their neighbors and coworkers that what's being done is harming the nation. It's not a practical or easy task, but it's literally the only way to contend with what's happening.

Fortunately there will be ample opportunity from the sound of things. In addition to mass deportations and the tariffs it sound like they're planning to try and destroy the department of education? I mean holy poo poo it's going to be impossible for these loving morons to defend what's happening to our country.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sausage.

Smellrose

bird food bathtub posted:

It's a harsh realization but here we are. There is no solving this. The shitwinds are already blowing. Nobody theoretically in a position to fix the problems wants to while half of them are pedal-to-the-metal "gently caress yeah make it all worse!". There are no solutions under the system as it exists now.

And what happens when the revolution doesn't come?

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

The revolution isn't coming, and any attempt is going to get squashed and droned. It's a total abdication of our actual civic obligations as citizens.

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

Beyond moving to New Zealand, what path forward are people looking to take if not working alongside others who oppose fascism, albeit imperfectly?

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

Mustang posted:

Looks like WA will be one of the few places where Harris improved on Biden's margins. Will be interesting to see why, but I wouldn't be surprised if part of it is liberal minded people moving here from redder parts of the country.

i did that (NV→WA), mostly because WA has something of a safety net, a climate that isn't already cooking us alive, and better health care.

A.o.D. posted:

I feel like such a loving fool for having ever voted for that party.

feelsl ike the obama presidency all over again, but they didn't even wait until they had the office to start killing populist parts of the platform

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

And what happens when the revolution doesn't come?

Everything sucks, a lot, for a lot of people, for a long time because you're right, there is not going to be a revolution riding over the hill to rescue us. I've got no solutions here. It's all hosed and the only thing I've got on my plate from here on out is try to find someone near me that needs help then try my best to be there when that suck comes for them. Maybe some seeds we plant today by caring for others give our grand children the opportunity to turn this around some how but that's the most optimism I've got.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


Mustang posted:

Looks like WA will be one of the few places where Harris improved on Biden's margins. Will be interesting to see why, but I wouldn't be surprised if part of it is liberal minded people moving here from redder parts of the country.

Well, up until Wednesday, my wife and I were strongly considering moving to Seattle/the surrounding area next year. Canada was just on the "Eh, one day. Maybe." list. Welp.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

What we need is a twitch streamer to keep a big board of stupid things the Trump admin does that they can regularly update and point to. Make a big game of documenting how harmful the entire administration is to the country and how they lie. Then when idiots claim something delusional the streamer can point to the board and say "nu uh" with some catch phrases and interactions for donating.

We have to find a way to dumb down politics so that it's both consumable in instareels but also maintains a level of permeance that doesn't allow consumers to simply forget the past. It'll also have to use all kinds of stupid zoomer language

Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Nov 8, 2024

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

The numbers don't lie, we're all fucked.
I think I'm mostly done with the thread too as well, as I'm through most of the post-election anxiety, but I'm still going to limit my exposure to political media socials and such.

So I'll basically close with a two-parter take. I did some peeking at data and such, and apparently Kamala will be -7 in the regular states, -3 in the swing states, and the overall turnout will basically equal 2020 once California reports back all their mail votes.

Take 1: This thing was cooked since Biden decided to run again and definitely since 2022, regardless of message/campaign strategy.
Take 2: Haley would've had 57 senators.

Toodles and see y'all in the CE thread!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnZRVZce5Qs

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

And what happens when the revolution doesn't come?

the historians would like to remind you that the revolution isn't likely to come until things get much worse, and then has a decent chance of bringing in people who are even worse

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

Grip it and rip it posted:

What we need is a twitch streamer to keep a big board of stupid things the Trump admin does
Just want to say I unironically appreciate this post for proposing positive, concrete action. Is it going to usher in the Revolution™? No. But if someone wants to divert their nervous energies toward a project, here's an option.

Personally, I'm disconnecting my gaming PC for a bit and am going to be thinking about how I can have a more active, positive impact on my community. If I were a stronger/better person, I wouldn't have to let the election of a fascist galvanize me to action, but better late than never.

Eulogistics
Aug 30, 2012
You can't worry about stuff outside of your control, there's not much you can do about it. Just behave in a way that's consistent with your values and let everything else be however it is. If you're spiritual, you can say all that stuff is in God's hands.

You're not in a position to overthrow the system of slavery so to speak, but maybe you can be a stop on the underground railroad if you the feel that's what you need to do.

kill me now
Sep 14, 2003

Why's Hank crying?

'CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON!
It’s gonna be cool when the US pulls a brexit level unrecoverable self own every month for 4 years straight.

Lucile Bluth will finally be right about the price of a banana

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
https://x.com/jwdwerner/status/1854689541019324555

drat i can't believe the Washington Post non-endorsement did this.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
from back home in nevada:

rosen wins over brown in senate race

quote:

Rosen’s victory will be far narrower than many polls projected, but is a significant feat given that Trump — who currently leads in the state by close to 4 percentage points — won Nevada. The junior senator is running close to 5 percentage points ahead of Vice President Kamala Harris.

The discrepancy was most stark when looking at raw vote totals. As of Thursday morning, with more than 1.35 million votes cast in the Senate race, Rosen lagged Harris by about 3,000 votes, while Brown received nearly 60,000 fewer votes than Trump. The data suggests that while Rosen held Harris voters, a statistically significant portion of Trump voters left the rest of their ballot blank or voted for someone other than Brown in the Senate race.

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

Zamujasa posted:

from back home in nevada
It does baffle me that these chucklefucks had the wherewithal to get off the couch at all.

SquirrelyPSU
May 27, 2003


facialimpediment posted:

Alrighty, that makes perfect sense then! Guessing it was mostly due to the complete lack of checking plans / designs and such before projects got underway, or the complete lack of projects as most of them got funnelled to Kentucky via corruption/graft?

Kentucky/Family members/corruption/graft.

e: Someone else asked if they should avoid bridges constructed between 2016-2020 and I would say no because the people doing the designing actually have things like professional ethics. Things that got mysteriously fast tracked during that time? Perhaps.

Her dad owned a shipping business and there was so much fuckery going on there that its impossible to quantify.

e2: Which honestly sucks, because her resume was immaculate. At the time, I thought it was one of the few good selections Trump made. I think it was right after he selected Rick Perry for DoE. I went "well, okay, I think we got off lucky"

SquirrelyPSU fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Nov 8, 2024

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 28, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


Can’t help but think if she hadn’t lied about McDonald’s she would have won…

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

Proud Christian Mom posted:

https://x.com/jwdwerner/status/1854689541019324555

drat i can't believe the Washington Post non-endorsement did this.

Just amazing stuff. Just make sure we keep trying to court Republican voters. It’ll eventually work!

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
We were so close to my dream scenario of her winning the EC but losing the popular vote.

I could’ve had everything.

Thanks Obama.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


ded posted:

gently caress donald trump

My grandfather served in World War II and Korea. I watched my friends go to overseas, I didn't agree with the war but still thought it was worthwhile to serve after 9/11 only die or return super hosed up. Decades of progress in the US since the civil rights movement are about to go in reverse.

Putting Trump in office, a fascist, spits on that entire legacy.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May
Anyone know if there's thread somewhere about how to financially prepare for the possibility of a Trump tariff sparked trade war?

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Stultus Maximus posted:

Anyone know if there's thread somewhere about how to financially prepare for the possibility of a Trump tariff sparked trade war?

Not a thread, but I've been dressing like a cryptid and digging holes on my neighbors property.

Nuclear Tourist
Apr 7, 2005

I'm assuming that the affordable care act is basically a dead man walking at this point, right? I mean there's no way that's not getting repealed?

Fallom
Sep 6, 2008

Stultus Maximus posted:

Anyone know if there's thread somewhere about how to financially prepare for the possibility of a Trump tariff sparked trade war?

Kind of curious too. I know I’m going to get the freezer chest stocked with meat again, and maybe accelerate my plans to get a generator backup for our house, but I’m not sure what else I should be thinking about.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Clearly, American businesses that don't rely on foreign components will be at advantage.... supposing the number isn't zero, which it quite likely is.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 28, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


Nuclear Tourist posted:

I'm assuming that the affordable care act is basically a dead man walking at this point, right? I mean there's no way that's not getting repealed?

Honestly I doubt it. They'll probably gently caress with the subsidies or something. Republicans controlled congress and the presidency in 2016-2018 and didn't gently caress with it too much then and it was a much fresher, scarier republican bugaboo back then. But republicans are also more insane now and have a larger majority in the senate this time, so who knows! Republicans in the trump era have tended to be really bad at actually doing anything when they do get control, but maybe they'll be more organized this time. I think the smart ones (there are still a few) know their ideas are actually bad in practice but they like to screech about them on TV when they're in opposition-it's much harder to shout all the insane poo poo when you know you have to a) pass it, and b) defend it to your constituents. If they get control the house it looks like it will be by a pretty thin margin, and the folks elected from those close districts may not be interested in guaranteeing they won't get re-elected just to tear apart an act that at this point is broadly viewed as positive most people?

But who knows, they're nuts!

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine
I think the ACA goes one of two ways:

1) The dog catches the car. This is almost what happened last time. 'Member John McCain?

2) We see a legit split among Republicans depending on whether or not killing the ACA would gently caress them in their district. The winning side at any given moment will be whoever had a private audience with Donny most recently (or got on Newsmax while Donny is watching on the shitter at 1AM)

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

The numbers don't lie, we're all fucked.

Nuclear Tourist posted:

I'm assuming that the affordable care act is basically a dead man walking at this point, right? I mean there's no way that's not getting repealed?

Very difficult to know. Donnie ran on "I saved Obamacare!" and congressional margins are relatively slim. Republicans will want to use their reconciliation bill on tax cuts, rather than much else. There's also a bunch of subsidies set to expire, so they might just be happy with letting those expire and make everything more expensive.

Stultus Maximus posted:

Anyone know if there's thread somewhere about how to financially prepare for the possibility of a Trump tariff sparked trade war?

Last time this happened, farmers couldn't sell their poo poo and Donnie / Congress gave them a bunch of money to offset it. Expect a lot of stupid poo poo like that - stuff still coming in (more expensive), but stuff not going out. All the Gamers that supported him will be in for a hilarious surprise quite shortly.

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not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u
If you look around online there's the terrible and stupid poo poo that they are gonna do when they get in power, and it's all so blisteringly stupid it'll never go anywhere, and/or will be political suicide for the midterms.

Anecdotally there's a lot of people already having buyer's remorse, one case in point that factory full of workers that voted trump, and got their christmas bonuses and overtime canned as the company needs to buy as much stock as they can before the tariffs roll in.

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