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Fallom
Sep 6, 2008

:shrug: it’s what they wanted

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Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


facialimpediment posted:

Expect a lot of stupid poo poo like that - stuff still coming in (more expensive), but stuff not going out. All the Gamers that supported him will be in for a hilarious surprise quite shortly.

I literally went out and bought new components to upgrade my computer on Thursday cause of this. Gonna get my wife's gaming PC upgraded before the end of the year as well.

Jamelle Bouie was telling people that if they had any durable goods purchases they were thinking about buying, do it now if you can
https://bsky.app/profile/jamellebouie.net/post/3lahmch4v2j26

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine

not caring here posted:

Anecdotally there's a lot of people already having buyer's remorse

I feel like "oops I didn't mean that" the kind of thing you can only claim the first time around.

This is like if the Brits voted for Brexit, said "haha whoops," got back in, and then did it again.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
"I don't care that he screamed 'I poo poo my pants on purpose!' again, I'm shocked that he did it because I want me being blameless to be true! I'm the only victim that matters here!"

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
thank you thread for reminding me to buy everything to build another workstation now versus later

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

not caring here posted:

If you look around online there's the terrible and stupid poo poo that they are gonna do when they get in power, and it's all so blisteringly stupid it'll never go anywhere, and/or will be political suicide for the midterms.


I'm not sure they're going to care this time. Kill the filibuster and go hog wild. The worst that happens is that in 2 years they get voted out, but I wouldn't count on that and even then they'd still have another 2 years of whatever they pass being in place before anything can even begun to be fixed.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

President
Matt Patricia Fan Club
Ann Arbor branch

fknlo posted:

I'm not sure they're going to care this time. Kill the filibuster and go hog wild. The worst that happens is that in 2 years they get voted out, but I wouldn't count on that and even then they'd still have another 2 years of whatever they pass being in place before anything can even begun to be fixed.

In this case, democratic downballot overperformance might save that. 53 republican senators with a tiny house margin is a big difference compared to 57 republicans and a huge house margin. And there are *a lot* of republican senators up in 2026 that may not be willing to rock the boat that far.

But the real reason is that most of the poo poo they want doesn't need filibustering. Taxes, executive orders, tariffs, judges, and all that.

But it will be funny when the "I voted because inflation is too high" voters get zapped by tariff-induced inflation as soon as those companies burn through their imported stock.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 28, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


not caring here posted:

If you look around online there's the terrible and stupid poo poo that they are gonna do when they get in power, and it's all so blisteringly stupid it'll never go anywhere, and/or will be political suicide for the midterms.

Anecdotally there's a lot of people already having buyer's remorse, one case in point that factory full of workers that voted trump, and got their christmas bonuses and overtime canned as the company needs to buy as much stock as they can before the tariffs roll in.

I feel like Donny has accidentally gotten elected twice by grumpy voters that voted for him because they didn’t like the other option, but fully expected him to lose.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
They have what they need, any majority in the senate to stuff as many blatantly partisan outright corrupt 30 year old foot soldiers in to the courts who will agree when they say the rule of law is now "I rule the law". They'll do everything they can get away with within the system, and then keep going. For everything. They're appointing the people who would say no, so they won't say it.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sausage.

Smellrose

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

I feel like Donny has accidentally gotten elected twice by grumpy voters that voted for him because they didn’t like the other option, but fully expected him to lose.

I mean, I think that's going to be the historical explanation decades from now. It just sucks we have to live with the consequences.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 28, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


In my continued effort not to doom, I will say I am moderately comforted by the people trump seems to be looking at as far as advisers. Susie Wiles is a more or less mainline republican. Robert Lighthizer loves some tariffs, but mostly because he believes strongly in boosting American manufacturing, which I can agree with, though I am not sure the non-manufacturing costs imposed on society at large by protectionism necessarily are outweighed by a growth in manufacturing jobs. He's also real skeptical that china does anything in good faith, which I can also more or less agree with. The hosed up part about the first round of trump tariffs to me was pissing off a bunch of our allies like Canada and Europe, not so much the idea of more tariffs on chinese imports. Hedge fund guys for treasury, not great, definitely bad for workers and financial regulations but also they aren't gonna want to let the system explode and break down completely.

I guess all in all it looks more like the first trump admin, round two but crazier and less competent, and not 'dictatorship on day one' like I had feared. More grift and corruption within the system than wrecking the system entirely. It still absolutely sucks, but I guess it's better than it could be.

I'll probably be eating my words when he appoints stephen miller to homeland security or something.

Kaiser Schnitzel fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Nov 9, 2024

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

facialimpediment posted:

And there are *a lot* of republican senators up in 2026 that may not be willing to rock the boat that far.


There's a good chance anyone not from a solid red state will be out the door just from historical midterm performance of the President's party anyway. Might as well go with the flow. Trump controls the GOP from the ground up now too. Good luck with your race when they exclusively fund the primary opponent that's fully on board with the plan.

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008

MFW people don't read the theory

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

I'll probably be eating my words when he appoints stephen miller to homeland security or something.

Or Defense Secretary Tom Cotton

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Nick Soapdish posted:

Or Defense Secretary Tom Cotton

Or Defense Secretary Michael Flynn.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Going to be wild when the US economy collapses and Trumpers blame it on Biden lol

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Every sensitive document in the country has a dollar sign on it, but the guy printing it out goes to Leavenworth for taking it out of the building.

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE
When will we know who won the House?

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

President
Matt Patricia Fan Club
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Torrannor posted:

When will we know who won the House?

A few more days, probably. It's because of the Arizona/Colorado/California races and the pending mail ballots still being counted. Republicans still favored, Democrats not out of it, margins still expected to be close.

It's a lot like how the Arizona Senate race still hasn't been called even though Gallego is tremendously favored. Everyone involved is really, really waiting for all the mail ballots to be counted because it's clear the D/R mix doesn't match 2020 (favorably).

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Tired of regulatory capture? Enjoy the new escalation: executive branch capture!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-elon-musk-x-twitter-donald-trump-b2614525.html

quote:

“So what America should be saying is, if NATO wants us to continue supporting them and NATO wants us to continue to be a good participant in this military alliance, why don’t you respect American values and respect free speech?” Vance asked. “It’s insane that we would support a military alliance if that military alliance isn’t going to be pro-free speech. I think we can do both. But we’ve got to say American power comes with certain strings attached. One of those is respect free speech, especially in our European allies.”

"Be nice to our sponsor and noted free speech hypocrite, Apartheid Clyde, or we'll play fuckfuck games with NATO" wasn't something I had in my bingo card.

Arrath fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Nov 10, 2024

davecrazy
Nov 25, 2004

I'm an insufferable shitposter who does not deserve to root for such a good team. Also, this is what Matt Harvey thinks of me and my garbage posting.
He’s gonna put that lovely paint job on Air Force one isint he?

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Arrath posted:

Tired of regulatory capture? Enjoy the new escalation: executive branch capture!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-elon-musk-x-twitter-donald-trump-b2614525.html

"Be nice to our sponsor and noted free speech hypocrite, Apartheid Clyde, or we'll play fuckfuck games with NATO" wasn't something I had in my bingo card.

Europe stopping to be reliant on the US would be a net good for industry and policy but the spineless fucks in EU governments would be too scared to touch the world leading provider of horses.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Might as well just flip them the bird and let them do it. Appeasement never works against these people. They'll just threaten to leave NATO for their next pet project eternally until they decide to leave it anyway and pocket all the concessions they're given along the way. The faster the rest of the world moves on from the US the better they will all be.

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 28, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


I can't wait till trump and musk have a big falling out

99pct of germs
Apr 13, 2013

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

I can't wait till trump and musk have a big falling out

Hopefully out of a plane

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

I can't wait till trump and musk have a big falling out

Feels inevitable. Wonder if Musk can keep his ego in check long enough to absorb NASA into SpaceX and all the other possibilities to keep the government gravy train running. He's a welfare queen that has made his money off government subsidies and this is his opportunity to absolutely lock that poo poo in.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

fknlo posted:

Feels inevitable. Wonder if Musk can keep his ego in check long enough to absorb NASA into SpaceX and all the other possibilities to keep the government gravy train running. He's a welfare queen that has made his money off government subsidies and this is his opportunity to absolutely lock that poo poo in.

Merge NASA and SpaceX, merge Twitter and Truth Social and make it the official government communication system...

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 28, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


This actually made me think about it the implications of a cabinet full of billionaires, and I think it's a recipe for dysfunction and chaos-to nobody's surprise, but maybe the republic's benefit. Billionaires aren't famous for cooperating and collaborating, they're all used to being the most important person in the room, and there's a pretty decent chance they all start trying to pursue their own pet projects and agendas and just wind up fighting each other as much as anything. If there was a strong executive in charge of them all, maybe they could wrangle them into a common purpose, but lol @ trump actually doing work. He likes when his underlings fight each other anyway.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

Stultus Maximus posted:

Merge NASA and SpaceX, merge Twitter and Truth Social and make it the official government communication system...

Yup. A whole lot of possibilities there. All G rides are now Teslas, Post Office exclusively uses cybertrucks, etc...

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

This actually made me think about it the implications of a cabinet full of billionaires, and I think it's a recipe for dysfunction and chaos-to nobody's surprise, but maybe the republic's benefit. Billionaires aren't famous for cooperating and collaborating, they're all used to being the most important person in the room, and there's a pretty decent chance they all start trying to pursue their own pet projects and agendas and just wind up fighting each other as much as anything. If there was a strong executive in charge of them all, maybe they could wrangle them into a common purpose, but lol @ trump actually doing work. He likes when his underlings fight each other anyway.

You know what this reminds me of? The soviet union under Brezhnev. That was a system where principally all the old organisations and rules were now second and subject to a loosely defined defacto court, orbiting around the leadership. Nothing was certain and anything could be sabotaged by shifting intrigue

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

This actually made me think about it the implications of a cabinet full of billionaires, and I think it's a recipe for dysfunction and chaos-to nobody's surprise, but maybe the republic's benefit. Billionaires aren't famous for cooperating and collaborating, they're all used to being the most important person in the room, and there's a pretty decent chance they all start trying to pursue their own pet projects and agendas and just wind up fighting each other as much as anything. If there was a strong executive in charge of them all, maybe they could wrangle them into a common purpose, but lol @ trump actually doing work. He likes when his underlings fight each other anyway.

I get what you're saying but if this were true we wouldn't need a host of antitrust laws.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

I can't wait till trump and musk have a big falling out

He might not but Trump needs his own media platform that his controls. Remember, even Fox News hates him and doesn't go with everything and isn't used by younger audiences.

Eulogistics
Aug 30, 2012

Gucci Loafers posted:

He might not but Trump needs his own media platform that his controls. Remember, even Fox News hates him and doesn't go with everything and isn't used by younger audiences.

You just made me realize that Trump and Musk are owners of competing social media networks. Even though I was election gambling on djt, I never considered that angle.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

Gucci Loafers posted:

He might not but Trump needs his own media platform that his controls. Remember, even Fox News hates him and doesn't go with everything and isn't used by younger audiences.

Fox News will fall in line, lawsuits be damned.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May
My wife just pointed out to me that Trump will retake the White House on MLK Day. Presumably because the scriptwriters for this reality still have a strong taste for irony.

Jimmy Smuts
Aug 8, 2000

gently caress this universe. I'm at the point where I feel that this is some hosed up alternate reality that I ended up in because of prior sins. I'm sorry for whatever I hosed up.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012





Huh, going from 220 to 215 because you plucked all your cabinet appointees from the house of representatives would be eminently funny.

Punished Ape
Sep 17, 2021
Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T18Ah0lTPA

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Punished Ape posted:

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth

Because why not merge your propaganda arm with the military leadership.

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joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.
AKA the guy who convinced Trump to pardon Eddie Gallagher

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