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ManMythLegend posted:I'm seeing a lot of this take and I don't buy it. This was my thought. Get a real message out there instead of playing I'm not touching you with socialist policies and get the party behind it. Again, many of these policies are popular. The GOPs ability to demonize them as equivalent to full blown communism is due to this messaging problem. The breadth of the party allows Republicans to paint them however they want, too extreme, not extreme enough, hypocrites, etc. Edit: Republicans have managed to label everything as a choice between FREEDOM and servitude, no matter how stupid, unconnected, untrue or against self interest it is and their base eats it up. lightpole fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Nov 6, 2020 |
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CBJSprague24 posted:Trump's lead is down to 1,902 in Georgia. Now it's 1797.
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A Bad Poster posted:Didn't that hitchhiker robot get destroyed in Philly after safely traveling across the continent? Yep. Speaking of gently caress around and find out. I could totally see Gritty sodomizing Ted Cruz. I never thought I’d be saying that, but here we are.  Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Nov 6, 2020 |
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Nov 6, 2020 03:19
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Platystemon posted:They’re not voting for Karl Marx, but they are voting for policies like a fifteen dollar per hour minimum wage. See my last point. Also: voters supporting weed and minimum wage does not mean that the American electorate is ready to support guillotining everyone making over $100k/year or whatever.
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Read the tweets in this article for some well curated responses to the suggestion: https://fusion.inquirer.com/news/fox-news-republicans-philadelphia-haters-twitter-20201105.html
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That ‘robot’ was a heap of garbage taped to a cell phone and it got what it deserved. 
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lightpole posted:This was my thought. Get a real message out there instead of playing I'm not touching you with socialist policies and get the party behind it. Again, many of these policies are popular. The GOPs ability to demonize them as equivalent to full blown communism is due to this messaging problem. The really difficult problem is that the right wing still has a huge media network and we don't. It's a lot easier to put out a message when you know that Fox (Still the biggest cable news outlet), OANN, Sinclair-owned local news stations, right-wing radio, and social media personalities like Shapiro and Cernovich will all repeat your arguments verbatim, trash your opponents, and bury your failures. And because they're poisoning the airwaves, you get a lot of folks in the middle who are thus convinced that "both sides lie" and won't listen to your arguments anyway, or parse them through some insane logic loop that doesn't make any goddamn sense from the outside that ends up with them voting for prison reform while also voting for candidates who think jaywalking should be a capital crime. It's not a great situation to be in, to put it lightly.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:The really difficult problem is that the right wing still has a huge media network and we don't. It's a lot easier to put out a message when you know that Fox (Still the biggest cable news outlet), OANN, Sinclair-owned local news stations, right-wing radio, and social media personalities like Shapiro and Cernovich will all repeat your arguments verbatim, trash your opponents, and bury your failures. And because they're poisoning the airwaves, you get a lot of folks in the middle who are thus convinced that "both sides lie" and won't listen to your arguments anyway, or parse them through some insane logic loop that doesn't make any goddamn sense from the outside that ends up with them voting for prison reform while also voting for candidates who think jaywalking should be a capital crime. A solid 35-45ish%, Trumps unshakeable base, of the country is unreachable this way. If they don't come up with a counter, Dems will continue to get hosed like this and go back to the same old infighting and pointing fingers. Their inability to learn from each failure is rather amazing I have to admit.
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https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1324555487594119168?s=21 Oh seems we’re going to enter a new stage of stupid. Platystemon posted:That ‘robot’ was a heap of garbage taped to a cell phone and it got what it deserved. My man! I remember feeling bad at first, thinking it was a complex piece of engineering and robotics, and then finding out it was a goddamn cell phone with some poo poo on it. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Nov 6, 2020 |
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Nov 6, 2020 03:35
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The question of the night is: what did Alex Jones eat for dinner?
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Platystemon posted:The question of the night is: what did Alex Jones eat for dinner? ASSSSSSSSSS
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It's always sunny in Philadelphia motherfucker
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https://mobile.twitter.com/maxkutner/status/1324558705430593536 John McCain dead was more dangerous to Trump than he was while alive, apparently.
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Riot Carol Danvers posted:It's always sunny in Philadelphia motherfucker Extremely and I think I probably posted this in the thread or a GBS one, so apologies if I did, but goddamn if it isn’t even more relevant now than it was earlier today. https://twitter.com/vmudream/status/1034247673883385856?s=21
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lightpole posted:A solid 35-45ish%, Trumps unshakeable base, of the country is unreachable this way. If they don't come up with a counter, Dems will continue to get hosed like this and go back to the same old infighting and pointing fingers. Their inability to learn from each failure is rather amazing I have to admit. I think an inherent problem is that it's easier to coordinate a conservative message as opposed to a liberal/leftist one. Conservative messaging is easy—the entire ideology of conservatism is based slowing/halting progress and can easily be sold as a nostalgic "things were better the way they used to be," focusing on an imagined or whitewashed past. Meanwhile, the left side of the political spectrum wants progress, but how much progress and where is a matter of massive internal debate. You see it all the time even on these forums (especially on these forums) — literally everyone here is in general agreement on certain principles like "climate change is an existential threat and needs to be immediately addressed," "the american healthcare system is a national disgrace and needs to be completely reformed if not entirely replaced with a nationalized healthcare system," "Systemic racism is real and has a major effect on policing," etc, but we argue over these things all the loving time because there are countless competing visions not only on how to address them, but how to even talk about them (See the endless slapfights over the effectiveness of the slogan "Defund the police"). And we're the ones who believe in these things—there's a substantial number of Democrats and independents who don't! So finding an effective message that can attract the entire spectrum of potential Democratic voters, from Blue Dogs to Marxists, is difficult if not outright impossible—and that's before you even get to platform considerations, how the message can even reach voters without getting distorted or weakened.
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Platystemon posted:The question of the night is: what did Alex Jones eat for dinner? Chili
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ManMythLegend posted:See my last point. What the hell are you talking about? People are saying that the Dems need to embrace popular reforms like M4A. Literally nobody is seriously suggesting that they should make guillotines an actual party platform. Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Nov 6, 2020 |
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From the top loving rope https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1324439705522524162 /edit: In case it wasn't obvious https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1205100602025545730 Duzzy Funlop fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Nov 6, 2020 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I think an inherent problem is that it's easier to coordinate a conservative message as opposed to a liberal/leftist one. Conservative messaging is easy—the entire ideology of conservatism is based slowing/halting progress and can easily be sold as a nostalgic "things were better the way they used to be," focusing on an imagined or whitewashed past. Meanwhile, the left side of the political spectrum wants progress, but how much progress and where is a matter of massive internal debate. You see it all the time even on these forums (especially on these forums) — literally everyone here is in general agreement on certain principles like "climate change is an existential threat and needs to be immediately addressed," "the american healthcare system is a national disgrace and needs to be completely reformed if not entirely replaced with a nationalized healthcare system," "Systemic racism is real and has a major effect on policing," etc, but we argue over these things all the loving time because there are countless competing visions not only on how to address them, but how to even talk about them (See the endless slapfights over the effectiveness of the slogan "Defund the police"). And we're the ones who believe in these things—there's a substantial number of Democrats and independents who don't! So finding an effective message that can attract the entire spectrum of potential Democratic voters, from Blue Dogs to Marxists, is difficult if not outright impossible—and that's before you even get to platform considerations, how the message can even reach voters without getting distorted or weakened. Republicans have managed to create a message that conveys antifa = fascists. Their propaganda network allows them to say anything they want and then do the exact opposite once in power so I think its possible. As you said however, they have that propaganda network in place and it took 30+ years to create. Another piece is that under our FPTP system, a strong, unified party with a simple message has a pretty big advantage. The Democrats would have greater success as a coalition in a modern parliamentary system. This is all just conjecture cause the hand wringing "too extreme, not extreme enough" arguments are tedious and a tiny bit pathetic at this point as they constantly focus on the surface problems without consideration for the root cause.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:From the top loving rope See this has me questioning her intelligence because Donald Trump doesn't have a friend.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:See this has me questioning her intelligence because Donald Trump doesn't have a friend. She is quoting him.
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lightpole posted:She is quoting him. Oh. Sorry Greta.
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Spoggerific posted:https://twitter.com/nathanias/status/1324505208160923653 There’s gotta be more than just me.
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Eej posted:I think most people in this thread can appreciate that lightpole posted:Are you saying a group of mid-late 30s nerds haven't played Starcraft? Fair enough. I forgot that this thread's demographic is a lot closer to my age than the "teens to early 20s" of some of the discord servers I use.
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Fister Roboto posted:What the hell are you talking about? People are saying that the Dems need to embrace popular reforms like M4A. Literally nobody is seriously suggesting that they should make guillotines an actual party platform. The point is that I don't believe this emerging narrative that, "if only the Democrats had run a hard left candidate they would have won everything." I don't see an electorate that votes Trump because there's not a progressive enough candidate. I don't think that voter exists in significant way. If the argument is that there is a vast, untapped, silent lefty majority that doesn't vote due to dissatisfaction, I don't buy that either based on the turn out numbers so far. My point is that the Democrats are absolute poo poo at explaining their positions, and so the 70% or so of American voters who don't have a Twitter account may not understand the nuances of something like, "defund the police." Instead, they may end up confused or even scared and easy to turn against a party whose stated policy preferences would help them.
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Spoggerific posted:Fair enough. I forgot that this thread's demographic is a lot closer to my age than the "teens to early 20s" of some of the discord servers I use. Not the thread, the site. The average age of a forums poster is in the mid to late 30s.
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