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Mr. Nice! posted:Hey, fuckheads, biden loving won today. Stop, take a moment, and celebrate. This is not a time for fighting. Trump loving lost. He will be gone. Yes, work must be done to fix how hosed up everything is, and there may not be a way to really get it done. Biden is going to be far less than perfect, but Trump loving lost today and will no longer be president in three months. Soak it in and enjoy something for a few hours. I'm super excited. But now I have to prep for a Jan runoff to get two GA senators into the Senate to gently caress McConnell. So I have to go get MORE people to participate in a system they don't like.
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I don’t have any booze so this is how I’m celebrating. I suggest you do the same and love your fellow man. 
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Mr. Nice! posted:I don’t have any booze so this is how I’m celebrating. I suggest you do the same and love your fellow man. I'm buying myself more lab sample quality radioisotopes to celebrate.
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Nov 6, 2020 19:31
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CommieGIR posted:I fully apologize for missing the post where you said you did vote. Not really, but keep that attitude. It's only the rules because everyone agrees to them. If people actually gave a gently caress, they wouldn't do exactly what you are doing- "You can't vote 3rd party, because they can't win!" They can't win if they don't get votes. And again, I don't have to vote. I agree first past is a broken system, but it isn't going to change in my life time. Until it does, I'll vote for what I believe. Like I said, this is a stink I can't wash off, because all I did was vote for the white piece of poo poo over the Orange piece of poo poo. I didn't change anything. Having a gently caress who voted along Republican lines for most of his career and is already playing the decorum game isn't going to fix the issue. Plus, he chose Harris, another turd of renown. Don't act like because Trump is losing that Biden is going to right the loving ship.
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CommieGIR posted:I'm super excited. But now I have to prep for a Jan runoff to get two GA senators into the Senate to gently caress McConnell. So I have to go get MORE people to participate in a system they don't like. I'm with you, and I hope we can swing a miracle in Georgia.
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Well hey, now that Trump is out, it means that we can all make valid criticisms of Biden without comparing him to Trump, right? Right?
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Nov 6, 2020 19:34
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Mr. Nice! posted:I don’t have any booze so this is how I’m celebrating. I suggest you do the same and love your fellow man. I just shot up a giant hit of insulin to cover a big piece of celebratory key lime pie.
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Fister Roboto posted:Well hey, now that Trump is out, it means that we can all make valid criticisms of Biden without comparing him to Trump, right? Go for it, there's plenty to criticize.
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Nov 6, 2020 19:34
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Fister Roboto posted:Well hey, now that Trump is out, it means that we can all make valid criticisms of Biden without comparing him to Trump, right? I think it is perfectly fine to criticize the president-elect. We have to hold him to account.
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Cool, I'm really looking forward to telling anyone saying "well he's not perfect but he's better than Trump" to gently caress off.
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Nov 6, 2020 19:37
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facialimpediment posted:Just got an answer, basically: You fuckers are gonna make me sleep through another night for a result, aren't you?` At least I'm gonna finish another rewatch of Ken Burns Vietnam War at this rate.
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Nov 6, 2020 19:38
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Duzzy Funlop posted:You fuckers are gonna make me sleep through another night for a result, aren't you?` Yeah, a bunch of pollsters are scratching their heads as to what the AP is waiting for to call this, since its a done deal even with a recount at this point.
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Nov 6, 2020 19:40
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Pretty sure the only reason he ran is to get Trump out of office. He is only doing 1 term and is anything but dynamic. I wish he had run 4 years ago so we wouldn't be in this position. Biden barely managed to beat Trump, I have a strong suspicion Bernie would not have done any better, probably even worse as they would have been able to label him a radical and attack him with the riots. The immediate ability to start calling for each others blood and instantly poo poo on Biden is rather amazing.
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Nov 6, 2020 19:44
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Nov 6, 2020 19:45
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lightpole posted:Pretty sure the only reason he ran is to get Trump out of office. He is only doing 1 term and is anything but dynamic. I wish he had run 4 years ago so we wouldn't be in this position. Biden barely managed to beat Trump, I have a strong suspicion Bernie would not have done any better, probably even worse as they would have been able to label him a radical and attack him with the riots. Yeah, the House/Senate and State Legislatures are the real places we need wins. We could possibly stomach a Trump presidency if we had a sane legislature, we don't.
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Nov 6, 2020 19:48
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, a bunch of pollsters are scratching their heads as to what the AP is waiting for to call this, since its a done deal even with a recount at this point. They're likely freaked because of their dumb Arizona call. Their internal models said "oh, Biden's up 8 with only mail-ins left, CALL IT" except they missed that Arizona mail-ins have been a thing in the state for Republicans forever. Donnie's bullshit didn't stop Republicans from mailing ballots, they just arrived later than Democrats' and weren't counted in the first batches. Then, the late-earlies came back, AP/Fox didn't want to rescind the call because they thought their models were still fine (and didn't want to back down to Donnie), so now they're stuck. They don't trust the obvious (NV and PA are donezo) and GA is in automatic recountland, so they don't want to be first and potentially have to pull back a president-elect call. Also I had my favorite sub for lunch. SUBS (slightly) BEFORE DUBS
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lightpole posted:Pretty sure the only reason he ran is to get Trump out of office. He is only doing 1 term and is anything but dynamic. I wish he had run 4 years ago so we wouldn't be in this position. Biden barely managed to beat Trump, I have a strong suspicion Bernie would not have done any better, probably even worse as they would have been able to label him a radical and attack him with the riots. I think Bernie would be a better president. But also I think Bernie would have lost. It’s a position that means that both brunch libs and also red rose twitter gets angry. (I voted Bernie in the primary) Biden didn’t really barely win. Multiple states were coin flips but he won every single one of those key coin flips. When you only need like ~2 of 6 coin flips to go your way, the math is very on your side, even if it’s nerve-wracking to watch. Basically Nate Silver was right. He made a model that said “even if polls are underreporting Trump votes by a lot, Biden will win and it will take forever to count.” That was correct. His model was essentially if you roll a ten-sided die, Biden needs a 2-10 to win. Biden rolled a 3 or 4 and a lot of people lost it as a result.
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Nov 6, 2020 19:52
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Mr. Nice! posted:Trump lost motherfucking Georgia. I prefer to say that Stacey Abrams won motherfucking Georgia.
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lightpole posted:Pretty sure the only reason he ran is to get Trump out of office. He is only doing 1 term and is anything but dynamic. I wish he had run 4 years ago so we wouldn't be in this position. Biden barely managed to beat Trump, I have a strong suspicion Bernie would not have done any better, probably even worse as they would have been able to label him a radical and attack him with the riots. Biden sucks poo poo. In terms of how Bernie would have done, I honestly think the best thing to look at is Nevada's democratic caucuses. Early voting used ranked-choice forms. Bernie nearly doubled the totals of any other candidate. After the final realignment, he won with 40% of the vote, well over the 18% Biden got in second place. The real main challenge with Bernie or any other actual progressive is that the people who run the party are garbage, and when you have that kind of power you can do a lot to stifle any sort of change.
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Nov 6, 2020 19:55
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facialimpediment posted:They're likely freaked because of their dumb Arizona call. They were right about AZ and AZ is over. There are move votes outstanding in maricopa county (which is going to biden overall) than there are in the entire rest of the state. He can't overcome the deficit. AZ doesn't matter because PA is done, but still.
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To expand on my previous post one of the signs that makes me think Bernie would've done better are results like Florida. Progressive policies like the $15 minimum wage passed easily, and those are policies that Bernie champions. Also consider AOC's tweet thread earlier in which the progressive side of the party actually did fairly well everywhere, while the more moderate Ds floundered.
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https://twitter.com/news6wkmg/status/1324788390160715777?s=19 Somewhere in the bowels of the White House, Trump feels one upped for his presser perfectly timed for National newscasts which most of them gave up on part way through.
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CBJSprague24 posted:https://twitter.com/news6wkmg/status/1324788390160715777?s=19 Once again, addressing a nation but dedicated to an audience of one.
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Zamujasa posted:Biden sucks poo poo. Yeah, DCCC and DNC keep being surprised that the people they push over progressives lose, and their god damned response after this election is "We need to be more moderate" Yeah. More Moderate. In an Overton window shifted right. DCCC and DNC seem to think that appealing to Republicans is somehow going to win them the day, and then lose.
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My accumulated hot takes. The national Dems loving suck at campaigning and I'm not sure the polls were that wrong as opposed to succdems being that bad at winning elections. Pelosi et al would rather lose than work with effective campaigners who also work with leftists. I also think the GOP has an easier time motivating their base because they're united in white grievance politics but the Dems are a big tent coalition of everyone outside that who don't necessarily agree on anything else. Anyway Stacy Abrams is a force to be reckoned with in Georgia and I hope for the Senate races the national Dems shut the gently caress up and follow her lead on how to make them happen. I feel like going forward is a three part strategy of 1) trying to pull every primary left, 2) sticking with voting blue in general elections to never cede ground to fascists, and 3) agitating for structural reforms. Getting rid of the electoral college may be a nonstarter but something like nationwide tanked choice voting seems essential. Our level of partisan hatred scares the poo poo out of me and our janky beta version of democracy is probably going to go continue to be deadlocked and underperforming while we're stuck in a first past the post two party system.
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As Nero Danced posted:Once again, addressing a nation but dedicated to an audience of one. Pretty sure it'll work just like last time. Trumple Thinskin is just incapable of not rising to the bait so buckle up for another whacked out "perfect" presser.
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Soylent Pudding posted:I also think the GOP has an easier time motivating their base because they're united in white grievance politics The GOP also has a literal propaganda news network in FNC. The Dems have nothing of the sort; a lot of people argue that "well, CNN and MSNBC are the liberal news media" or whatever, but both of them are more centrist "truth is in the middle" "both sides" trash. The biggest problem is that mainline / party leader Dems do not want progressive policy at all. Soylent Pudding posted:nationwide tanked choice voting 
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lmao 5.56 ammo prices are up another 40% since yesterday
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Mr. Nice! posted:They were right about AZ and AZ is over. There are move votes outstanding in maricopa county (which is going to biden overall) than there are in the entire rest of the state. He can't overcome the deficit. AZ doesn't matter because PA is done, but still. Disagree (they got lucky), agree though. The Maricopa remainder ain't good for Biden, but it's good enough not-good to be enough. ... I really just wrote this post to say that Arizona is coming. https://twitter.com/cableknitjumper/status/1324789462291771393?s=19
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You imagine what being around trump must be like right now? That fat son of a bitch is facing a 120 mil tax bill adjudication, likely as he walks out the door. Legal problems of varying severity most likely until the day he dies. Half a bil of personally guaranteed debt coming due in 2 years. But he's got Rudy Giuliani to help him out. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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not caring here posted:You imagine what being around trump must be like right now? His debts are also coming due as soon as he walks out the door, and Deutsch Bank is kinda done with him.
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Zamujasa posted:In terms of how Bernie would have done, I honestly think the best thing to look at is Nevada's democratic caucuses. Early voting used ranked-choice forms. Why? NV demographically doesn’t look very much like the rest of the nation and ranked choice is neat but not how the GE is done. It seems like a kind of outlier and unique state to select as a national bellwether.
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CommieGIR posted:His debts are also coming due as soon as he walks out the door, and Deutsch Bank is kinda done with him. I thought he was good with deutsch bank for 2 more years?
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Guess the IRS audit's about to end. Gonna be fun watching the house of cards burst in to flames.
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Alright, I don't usually do this kind of thing and I highly suggest you spoof your poo poo or use burners. https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1324720968988794880?s=19 But if you're bored (and the line isn't completely dead), gl hf go report some fraud.
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Ranked choice gives much better insight into candidate preference and debunks the utterly asinine "electability" myth. "XXXXXX isn't electable!": People can still pick their real preference first, then the "safe" choice second (or third or...). Then it turns out the actual preferred candidate wins and all the "but electability!" stuff was nonsense. As for demographics, the US is huge and I have to ask what state you would consider a good demographic representation for the majority of the US. But most of the reason was that it was one of the few early
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mlmp08 posted:I think Bernie would be a better president. But also I think Bernie would have lost. It’s a position that means that both brunch libs and also red rose twitter gets angry. (I voted Bernie in the primary) This is a fair assessment but I view it as being much closer than it should have been. Trump still won 47-48% of the vote. I also went Bernie/Biden. Zamujasa posted:Also consider AOC's tweet thread earlier in which the progressive side of the party actually did fairly well everywhere, while the more moderate Ds floundered. AOC was pretty clear with her post so you should probably reread it. Its not a progressives/moderates thing but a how did you reach out to your supporters, did you put in the effort, spend the resources, on the right media, did you utilize 21st century media, etc. AOC has worked to make connections with the younger generation and used modern forms of communication to get her message out so people see it. I really have no idea how Bernie would have done. The right wing have their propaganda apparatus and the ability to make him into an axe murderer if they wanted. There is a very solid ceiling of around 60ish% support for anything outside of Trumpism or Fox News talking points. Progressive ideas have good popularity even though their candidates struggle in red states.
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not caring here posted:You imagine what being around trump must be like right now? We're going to see the mother of all gofundmes
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