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Not surprised by the outcome, Biden can't even stand up to the leader of a tiny genocidal country like Israel. We're supposed to believe he can "save" American democracy from someone like Trump? When will these dessicated corpses running our country finally give up and retire? Or can they just not refuse the chance to gently caress over the younger generations yet again?
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Yeah uh, individuals don't save democracies. The people of the democracy do. The fault for this stuff lies squarely with Americans generally, not with our aging and enfeebled political class (though they do suck too.) Expecting people to give up power is naive at best.
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The top of the ticket is a lost cause. He's a miserable freak whose only lucid moments come when cheering on genocide or discussing golf. As we saw with Hillary, RBG and now Biden the party leadership is chock full of sycophants and people who'd risk everything for a single admin position. Thankfully his unpopularity is not contaminating the rest of the ticket. If you're in a blue/purple state it's all about your local and state races. There's plenty of winnable seats that can be used to protect the vulnerable from what is about to come. If you live in a red state like me then get ready for Mr Bonez Wild Ride
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Proud Christian Mom posted:The top of the ticket is a lost cause. He's a miserable freak whose only lucid moments come when cheering on genocide or discussing golf. As we saw with Hillary, RBG and now Biden the party leadership is chock full of sycophants and people who'd risk everything for a single admin position. Earning the gently caress out of that title today
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Jun 28, 2024 20:48
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Am I wrong in thinking that all these shambling ghouls of silver haired statesmen, in digging their claws in and holding onto power until the grim reaper arrives to take it away from them, have done little to nothing to help build up the following generations of politicians or hell, even hurt them? How many of the options running in primaries of elections past are actually decent politicians? Maybe my doomscrolling blinders are on idk.
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Jun 28, 2024 21:07
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Do any politicians help their replacements up? I think that went away around the same time as Tammany Hall. The fact is there have been lots of primaries with younger candidates, and voters have gone with the name brand they recognize.
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Jun 28, 2024 22:38
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Every NYT columnist who has weighed in is calling for Biden to step aside, four so far. That’s a big deal in democrat circles, wonder if they are building up to a full editorial from the paper making the same recommendation. And there it is: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/opinion/biden-election-debate-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.3E0.PXZR.XKqNDbe13I7E&smid=url-share
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Hyrax Attack! posted:And there it is: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/opinion/biden-election-debate-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.3E0.PXZR.XKqNDbe13I7E&smid=url-share https://defector.com/debate-losers?giftLink=f08cace7ff61a408c15534bff02b6bdb[quote="Hyrax Attack!" quote:Now what? Liberal or Democratic-identified pundits panicked. At the New York Times opinion desk, Nicholas Kristof instantly demanded that Biden drop out of the race, and Thomas Friedman swiftly followed ("I watched the Biden-Trump debate alone in a Lisbon hotel room, and it made me weep"). It was like seeing the consensus for invading Iraq crystallize in the space of four hours: supposedly serious people using stentorian tones to share a snap groupthink response to what they just saw on TV.
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Jun 29, 2024 00:17
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quote:The adjective stentorian comes from Greek mythology. Stentor was a herald in the Trojan War, mentioned in Homer's "Iliad." Homer wrote of brazen-voiced Stentor, whose cry was as loud as that of fifty men together. Ah I only knew “stentor” as a trumpet-shaped stalked ciliate from wastewater ecology.
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I’d disagree with dismissing concern as groupthink, I got texts from family members who’ve voted democrat far longer than I’ve been alive & aren’t online doomscrolling & they were distressed by Biden’s performance. When Obama stumbled in first debate with Romney it was concerning but I don’t think there were any serious calls for him to drop out as the incumbent. This feels more like watching Mariners closer walk the bases full, get him outta there & go to the bench.
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Jun 29, 2024 01:24
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Yeah, there's a distinct difference between a flubbed debate caused by bad prep and misspeaking versus voters taking away that the candidate fundamentally won't be up to the demands of the office for another four years.
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Jun 29, 2024 01:41
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I'm cheering for death until the election. Literally, the grim reaper in robe with scythe that takes souls to whatever is next after their bodies die. I'm cheering for that motherfucker to show up for EITHER candidate. Both would be best. if trump dies in his sleep, poo poo'll be OK. If biden dies in his sleep, poo poo'll PROBABLY be ok. If neither dies and we actually have an election of cryptkeeper vs cryptkeeper? poo poo will NOT be OK, because once again the dems are running the only goddamned person on earth who could possibly lose against someone as insane as trump. Trump would lose to a sentient ham sandwich, but he'll win against a more-senile more-older person with no charisma left to sway the american people, who are largely very stupid and vote on emotions.
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Jun 29, 2024 03:25
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Tiny posted:Trump would lose to a sentient ham sandwich Excuse the link to zombie newsweek as it has quick number references, but that applies only if the ham sandwich is generic. The moment you put a name on the ham sandwich that isn't Biden, they lose to trump. These are old numbers, but they're likely what the party is looking at right now: quote:In an Emerson College poll conducted between February 13 and 14, Trump received 46 percent of the vote while Harris received 43 percent. The poll surveyed 1,225 U.S. registered voters and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.7 percentage points. Biden ran for reelection due to hubris, but also due to the 2022 midterm overperformance and all the other candidates polling worse. I'd personally argue the other candidates' numbers would turn much better in time, but that's the risk with naming ham sandwiches.
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The thing about "Trump would lose to a ham sandwich" is that it really isn't true, and demonstratively so—he won the Republican primary and beat Hillary in 2016, he came drat close to winning last time, and he mopped the floor with his Republican opponents without really trying in this cycle. Trump is a horrible, awful person, he's a giant moron, and his grasp on reality is tenuous at best. But he's got intensely loyal followers, a dedicated 24/7 propaganda apparatus, extremely wealthy donors, and the power of being a giant rear end in a top hat who doesn't care about consequences. More than half of America hates him, but a third of it loves him, and that dedicated third is more strategically located for the Electoral College. When it comes to whether Biden should drop out, it also has to be remembered that the incumbency advantage is huge. In the last 100 years and 25 elections only five incumbents have lost reelection, and all of them faced exceptional circumstances: Herbert Hoover (Great Depression), Gerald Ford (Post-Nixon hangover), Carter (Malaise), George H.W. Bush (recession, raised taxes, Ross Perot), and Trump (COVID). Meanwhile outside of incumbency, the track record of a party holding the White House is much worse: In open elections with no incumbent, the White House has stayed in the same party's hands only i]twice[/i], in 1928 and 1988. If the world's not on fire, people will trend towards keeping the same President—but the same cannot be said for the President's party. This is why replacing Biden is so dangerous. Biden's Administration genuinely has a lot going for it—they've managed the post-COVID recovery better than arguably any other country on earth, avoided a recession, kept Ukraine an independent nation, strengthened NATO, invested heavily in infrastructure, enacted critical regulations towards handling the climate crisis, and a hundred other things besides, with only one significant black mark (Gaza). Even if his brain is truly leaking out of his ears, Biden has a successful track record of managing the country. Nobody else can run on that—they can only say what they would do as President, which is a much less convincing argument. Replacing Biden also means potentially opening up the Democratic Party to an extremely fractious knife fight for the nomination at the last minute, which could ruin the party's unity at the absolute worst time. So, gently caress it, stay with Biden. He might be a corpse-emperor, but he's our corpse-emperor.
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hell maybe the move is to just lean into the whole thing. "Yeah he might look and sound like a corpse, but he's still got the government working better than Trump or even Obama ever did!" e: "Oh you're think he might die in office? We've got a thing for that, it's called a Vice President, and she's gonna have all the same, boring, competent people working for her on day 1 that Biden did, so what the hell are you worried about?" Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Jun 29, 2024 |
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Just keep feeding him low maintenance doses of marching powder. Either he croaks in office, and someone with more charisma takes over, or we get an election cycle of peak Diamond Joe. Imagine a debate where it's just 15 minutes of a coked up Biden calling Trump a loser in every way he can think of until Trump starts screaming slurs and storms off stage.
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Jun 29, 2024 07:58
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If Biden can piss Trump off so badly that Trump strokes out I think Biden wins automatically. It's in the back of the Constitution somewhere, next to the part where being told to gently caress off by Benjamin Franklin makes you a duke.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:The thing about "Trump would lose to a ham sandwich" is that it really isn't true, ... I don't understand how people aren't seeing the cult status that Trump has garnered. Or do they just not realize what kind of power cult leaders can wield?
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Acebuckeye13 posted:hell maybe the move is to just lean into the whole thing. "Yeah he might look and sound like a corpse, but he's still got the government working better than Trump or even Obama ever did!" Basically the Shutdown Fullcast approach: Spencer Hall posted:Logged in here [bluesky] and holy poo poo I need democrats to have less shame and more composure Jason Kirk posted:If the God-Emperor of Mankind can run humanity for 40,000 years despite being dead, Joe can do it for a mere 4
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facialimpediment posted:Basically the Shutdown Fullcast approach: Filled with shame my first thought was the Emperor has only been on life support for 10,000 years
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Sorry, the 40k fans are already drafting 39.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:hell maybe the move is to just lean into the whole thing. "Yeah he might look and sound like a corpse, but he's still got the government working better than Trump or even Obama ever did!" actually its good he's a walking corpse.
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PookBear posted:actually its good he's a walking corpse. There's already a "Biden is meeting with family to discuss his future" article from NBCNews and lots of aides and such leaking to newsmedia. Also lots of defiant memos and statements in contrast. Lots of background talking, leaking, and likely waiting for polling to come in. But for comedy factor, two notes: https://twitter.com/maxwelltani/status/1807214250806403447 https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1807196697719914997
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if the God Emperor is out there walking amongst us maybe they could like, hop in now instead of waiting for another 28,000 years or whatever
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MonkeyFit posted:I don't understand how people aren't seeing the cult status that Trump has garnered. Or do they just not realize what kind of power cult leaders can wield? We have a lot of unfounded and misplaced faith in humanity and human decency. Even those that realize it's a cult think it's like mormons or moonies, not full-on authoritarianism with a military and nationalism mixed in kind of cult.
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maffew buildings posted:if the God Emperor is out there walking amongst us maybe they could like, hop in now instead of waiting for another 28,000 years or whatever Unfortunately we haven’t understood psychohistory yet
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MonkeyFit posted:I don't understand how people aren't seeing the cult status that Trump has garnered. Or do they just not realize what kind of power cult leaders can wield? US history education generally focuses not very much on the rest of the world beyond the base level, and certainly doesn't tend to go into depths on the particulars of how and why cult of personality regimes form. people are maybe kinda vaguely aware how, say, north korea (as the most prominent modern example, sorry turkmenistan) functions, but don't necessarily study that sort of thing in detail
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Qtotonibudinibudet posted:US history education generally focuses not very much on the rest of the world beyond the base level, and certainly doesn't tend to go into depths on the particulars of how and why cult of personality regimes form. Your pre-uni history covered anything with DPRK or even the Korean War? We went WW2, JFK, Cold War, fall of USSR,America is best thing ever.
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Nystral posted:Your pre-uni history covered anything with DPRK or even the Korean War? We went WW2, JFK, Cold War, fall of USSR,America is best thing ever. no, it didn't, which was my point high school AP Government at least covered a variety of states, but that's (a) something only the top segment of students take and (b) isn't focused on authoritarianism specifically, just general comparative political science
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Coasterphreak posted:Unfortunately we haven’t understood psychohistory yet Holding out hope that enough "Gork and Mork" write ins carry the day in November
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RFK Jr. is gross.
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Platystemon posted:RFK Jr. is gross. worms disagree
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The worm took one bite of him and shrivelled up dead. RFK Jr. denies eating a dog while sidestepping sexual assault allegations in Vanity Fair article
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I guess if I’m being honest, I’ll do fine most likely under a Biden or Trump administration. I will vote Biden of course, but materially my life won’t be impacted at all. Perhaps my kids life will be, but I won’t hold my breath. The only thing I won’t do is entertain that brain wormed dog eating son of a bitch RFK Jr.
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War Boi posted:I guess if I’m being honest, I’ll do fine most likely under a Biden or Trump administration. My kids will be living in a world of climate change disasters and the degree is very much related to who runs the US now and in the near future.
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this sure is one hell of a time to consider switching jobs to work for the (far reaches of) US government. goddamn dream job opportunity, but whyyyyyyyyyy
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Qtotonibudinibudet posted:this sure is one hell of a time to consider switching jobs to work for the (far reaches of) US government. goddamn dream job opportunity, but whyyyyyyyyyy Yeah, I just started work for a federally funded climate change research company and it's like.... Please vote Biden so I can keep my job(and everything else)
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Yeah that's definitely the kind of position where you want to start forming a potential backup plan immediately.
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