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AreWeDrunkYet posted:I'm not sure how someone comes back with younger folks after enthusiastically enforcing drug crimes this century. Harris is a dead end, there are politicians who haven't put thousands of people in prison over pot. Add in that she or another candidate would have the chance to break, even if only marginally, with Biden on other sore spots (Israel's genocide jumps out), there's some chance of regaining ground. All of which needs to be balanced against the cost of changing horses, of course. But better to do so sooner than too late.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:I'm not sure how someone comes back with younger folks after enthusiastically enforcing drug crimes this century. Harris is a dead end, there are politicians who haven't put thousands of people in prison over pot. She got the memo, at the very least. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-vp-harris-talk-marijuana-reform-white-house-friday-2024-03-15/ https://www.marijuanamoment.net/vp-kamala-harris-trashes-marijuana-gateway-drug-theory-but-says-she-wont-use-strain-named-after-her/ Not too far of a stretch to move to: "I did a lot of these prosecutions in the past, in hindsight they were completely wrong and I'd be in support of a full pardon for everyone I convicted. Like now, where we're descheduling blah blah and in my administration I want to go further to blah blah and speaking of convicted felons..." Cugel the Clever posted:Add in that she or another candidate would have the chance to break, even if only marginally, with Biden on other sore spots (Israel's genocide jumps out), there's some chance of regaining ground. Yeah that's what I can't even pretend to know. Can she regain pissed-off voters like those? She can sure as poo poo defend/advance attacks better than Biden can at this point though.
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facialimpediment posted:She got the memo, at the very least. Maybe people want to vote for someone who genuinely supports policy positions instead of "getting the memo"? On some level she had to understand the lives she was ruining as a prosecutor, saying the right words a few years later doesn't undo that harm or convince people she didn't believe in her actions from that time. This is the democratic party being short sighted in general. Replacing Biden at this point makes no sense, but especially so because there's no one to take his place. The party stutters more than Biden when asked about the 2028 candidate.
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I keep hoping Tammy Duckworth will run, but she keeps stubbornly not doing so.
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Madurai posted:I keep hoping Tammy Duckworth will run, but she keeps stubbornly not doing so. Goddamn. *chef's kiss*
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Madurai posted:I keep hoping Tammy Duckworth will run, but she keeps stubbornly not doing so. 
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Madurai posted:I keep hoping Tammy Duckworth will run, but she keeps stubbornly not doing so. she wont stand for vets either
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Madurai posted:I keep hoping Tammy Duckworth will run, but she keeps stubbornly not doing so.
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The Philadelphia Inquirer's Editorial Board is pretty much where I'm at at this point https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/editorials/trump-verbal-miscues-presidential-debate-20240706.html TLDR: Yes, it's entirely fair to wonder out loud if Biden's age is an issue for another four years let alone the rest of the campaign. But a lot of the pundits currently yelling about it are, ignoring at best, or giving him a pass at worst, Trump and how unhinged he was at the debate, and on the campaign trail.
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Handsome Ralph posted:The Philadelphia Inquirer's Editorial Board is pretty much where I'm at at this point If you talk to anyone pushing back on Biden's debate performance, challenge them to read the transcript. If they support Trump after that (or let's be honest, even before) they are not someone to take seriously.
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Handsome Ralph posted:The Philadelphia Inquirer's Editorial Board is pretty much where I'm at at this point what does trump have to do with wanting the dem candidate to not have their brain leaking out of their ears? No poo poo trump sucks but being slightly better than him shouldn't be the only bar a dem candidate has to be better than. Good lord.
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A number of the pundits and regular folks expressing concern are also vocally anti-Trump. While the NYT's takes feel more like a vendetta against Biden, a lot of the talk is from people who want to defeat Trump, but have concerns since the debate that Biden isn't the best one for the task. And we can obviously rightly complain about the broader media's ludicrous weighing of Biden's age as equivalent to (or even more important than) Trump's brokenrained authoritarianism, I just don't know that it's going to achieve much and the complaints then unnecessarily get extended to the group in the first paragraph.
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PookBear posted:what does trump have to do with wanting the dem candidate to not have their brain leaking out of their ears? No poo poo trump sucks but being slightly better than him shouldn't be the only bar a dem candidate has to be better than. Good lord. US presidential elections are first past the post, and the appropriate vote is for the least bad viable candidate. Biden is clearly less bad than Trump to any thinking person who is not an open bigot.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:US presidential elections are first past the post, and the appropriate vote is for the least bad viable candidate. Biden is clearly less bad than Trump to any thinking person who is not an open bigot. I just said I would like a better candidate. Tell me why I should vote for biden without referencing any republicans or saying "but trump!".
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PookBear posted:I just said I would like a better candidate. Tell me why I should vote for biden without referencing any republicans or saying "but trump!". That's not how US presidential elections work. You should vote for Biden because there are two viable choices, he's obviously the best of the two, and sitting out functionally supports Trump unless you were going to vote for Trump. The time to work for better candidates was the primaries, and those are over. e: Working towards proportional representation and/or ranked choice voting is also cool. But that won't happen before November! AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Jul 7, 2024 |
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PookBear posted:Tell me why I should vote for biden without referencing any republicans or saying "but trump!". AreWeDrunkYet posted:You should vote for Biden because there are two viable choices, he's obviously the best of the two, and sitting out functionally supports Trump unless you were going to vote for Trump. lol
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PookBear posted:what does trump have to do with wanting the dem candidate to not have their brain leaking out of their ears? No poo poo trump sucks but being slightly better than him shouldn't be the only bar a dem candidate has to be better than. Good lord. I never said that was the only bar a dem candidate needed to clear, my dude. For what it's worth, I don't think the age thing is without merit, but that ship sailed ages ago and it's infuriating to me that it didn't become a "thing" again with pundits until the debate. And I'm sorry but the NYT punching out 150+ articles and editorials in the week following the debate about Biden's age compared to a third that number on Trump's lunacy and the 2025 poo poo is a bit beyond the pale for me. Saying "No poo poo, we already knew that!" cuts both ways. And anyone seriously pushing the idea of replacing Biden as front runner with anyone other than Harris at this point is handing the election to Trump and the GOP. This isn't my preference either, it's just the reality that the Dems are not going to be able to spin up a entirely new campaign in time for it to matter once early voting starts in the fall. Biden/Harris have $200+ million on hand that they cannot just hand over to another campaign. You've also got issues with things like ad buys that are already locked in, and again, cannot be easily transferred to a new campaign. It's a big poo poo sandwich and unfortunately, we all get to take a various sized bites. PookBear posted:I just said I would like a better candidate. You and me both, but that ship has sailed. quote:Tell me why I should vote for biden without referencing any republicans or saying "but trump!"
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Handsome Ralph posted:
I'm going to vote democrat but yall are missing the entire point: no one is dragging any friends to the poll because of biden enthusiasm. I'm not telling a coworker "you should vote biden, his brain works slightly better than trump's!"
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PookBear posted:I'm going to vote democrat but yall are missing the entire point: no one is dragging any friends to the poll because of biden enthusiasm. I'm not telling a coworker "you should vote biden, his brain works slightly better than trump's!" 
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PookBear posted:I'm not telling a coworker "you should vote biden, his brain works slightly better than trump's!" I mean, all things considered, you probably should. Otherwise you're literally saying you wouldn't tell people to vote for the better candidate.
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PookBear posted:I'm going to vote democrat but yall are missing the entire point: no one is dragging any friends to the poll because of biden enthusiasm. I'm not telling a coworker "you should vote biden, his brain works slightly better than trump's!" We're not missing the point. None of us wanted to vote for Biden. But we've already accepted the reality of the situation, which is that he won all the primaries, and have already moved on past that. We've already acknowledged we're basically stuck with him and/or Kamala Harris at this point.
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It's a repeat of 2020: it's not Trump vs. Biden, it's Trump Y/N, currently.
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bulletsponge13 posted:It's a repeat of 2020: it's not Trump vs. Biden, it's Trump Y/N, currently.
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Franch appears to have skirted Fascism just by a hair, with a bunch of Left Wing candidates dropping out to give Macron's Centrists the vote, with both Macron and the Leftists taking 1st and Second positions:quote:Leftist New Popular Front is projected to win 172 to 192 seats — well short of the 289 that would secure an overall majority. President Macron’s centrist party, Ensemble, will win 150 to 170 seats and Marine Le Pen’s far-right National Rally will come third with 132 to 152 seats, the estimate says. Get hosed, Le Pen
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PookBear posted:I just said I would like a better candidate. Tell me why I should vote for biden without referencing any republicans or saying "but trump!". Tell my why I shouldn't set my self on fire without referencing that fire burn you or "burns are hurty!".
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E. Revenant posted:Tell my why I shouldn't set my self on fire without referencing that fire burn you or "burns are hurty!". Your screams are gonna interrupt my 300th viewing of the Bruce Campbell classic, "Congo". Checkmate, athetits.
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PookBear posted:I just said I would like a better candidate. Tell me why I should vote for biden without referencing any republicans or saying "but trump!". All previous responses aside and keeping within the bounds of the post, this is essentially why I tend to lean towards replacement. The quickest arguments:
- A massive set of tax cuts expire next year. Biden will keep the cuts for sub-$400K earners and soak the rich for a lot of the rest. - In the event of an all-Democratic Congress, Biden will pass a federal law codifying Roe vs. Wade's abortion protections. If unable to pass a law, he'll continue to defend maximum distribution of abortion pills. - Biden will continue to support Ukraine to the maximum extent that Congress will allow. - If you're a normie who likes norms, Biden will continue governmental norms as they're kind of his thing. Not loving with the Federal Reserve, leaving alone the DOJ, keeping merit-based governmental hiring, etc. - Biden will continue the rulemaking that's descheduling marijuana and finding the maximum extent of student loan debt that he can forgive by law. Edit: same on healthcare and other various social programs, I believe a lot of Obamacare subsidies are near expiration. The problem with the above is that they almost all require Congress, or require deeper explanation for normies to understand it. They require a pitchperson and down-ticket coordinated messages. Democratic congressfolks (and me) are currently biting their nails into nubs as Biden himself lately can no longer make the needed explanations. Also why there are a lot of down-ballot races where it's something like Trump +6 and Incumbent Democratic Senator +8. facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Jul 7, 2024 |
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bulletsponge13 posted:Your screams are gonna interrupt my 300th viewing of the Bruce Campbell classic, "Congo". Stop. Eating. My sesame cake.
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I'm pretty sure I've said this before but even if Biden's brains have been reduced to the consistency of chicken soup, there's still plenty of legitimate reasons to vote for him. His appointees have been generally competent and well-meaning, his government has worked to tackle infrastructure, climate change, student loans, and countless other issues in meaningful ways, he's (successfully!) worked with Congress to pass big bills, he's helped Ukraine remain independent, and even if Gaza is a big black mark on his record it's still all mostly good. He and his advisors have done a pretty dang good job running the country for the most part and I'd like to have four more years of that, so long as Biden can still physically hold a pen to sign bills. Would I like someone better? Sure, who wouldn't? And I am personally leaning towards it being necessary for Harris to take over to win the race. But man, it is eternally frustrating that for all the good Biden's administration has done, literally none of that matters - both because he's too old, and because it's all been compared to an imagined alternative. Like for the girl who wants a pony, a mule will never be good enough. Even though a mule is a perfectly fine animal and cute in their own way
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https://x.com/DrewSav/status/1810035852011098271 I think I may no longer have imposter syndrome after reading this, because dear lord, this is one of the dumbest loving ideas I've seen someone seriously suggest. "gently caress handing out deck chairs, let's have a DANCE OFF instead!"
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I dunno I feel like if they don't have polling done for this topic yet they might have to do something like this. The whole situation is hosed.
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facialimpediment posted:All previous responses aside and keeping within the bounds of the post, this is essentially why I tend to lean towards replacement. The quickest arguments: For Supreme Court, won’t that require at least 50 senators & hope there isn’t one conservative democrat holdout? Guessing if Dems don’t have senate all judicial appts stop. I think that was one of the reasons they kept Feinstein propped up so long. I think yeah a Dem president could probably get the tax & Ukraine support through even without a majority though would likely need concessions. Don’t think codifying Roe is happening, would be filibustered for sure & would need a supermajority. Time to do that was 2009, along with shoring up voting rights.
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Grip it and rip it posted:I dunno I feel like if they don't have polling done for this topic yet they might have to do something like this. The whole situation is hosed. Doing this benefits no one. Dem voters aren't the ones you need to be convincing to vote for Biden (or Harris, or whoever the Dem candidate ends up being), and this would only put off people who don't give a poo poo about the Dems playing American Idol in the final lead up to the election. You're also going to piss of Black voters by telling them "Yeah, Harris was on deck, but we decided to bypass her, for...reasons" which sure as hell isn't helpful. It's basically a fever dream. The toothpaste is out of the tube at this point. It's either Biden or Harris at the top of the ticket at this point. Full stop. Hyrax Attack! posted:Don’t think codifying Roe is happening, would be filibustered for sure & would need a supermajority. Time to do that was 2009, along with shoring up voting rights. Not that you're wrong, but they had roughly 72 days of a supermajority. So getting one of those things done would have still been a tall order, let alone both (remember they still had Liberman in that super majority. It's also very hindsight is 20/20. I sure as hell didn't think at the time that the Dems would not see a supermajority again for 15+ years.
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To second Ralph, Democrats are generally freaked out because of the general consensus that Biden was losing before the debate. Then, not only did he gain ground, he lost ground without a likely inability to make that ground back up. The country's so polarized, and Donnie's support so culty, that polling was never going to move much and wasn't going to make a Democratic decision clear. It's just that Biden was probably losing and just lost another 2% that might not come back without a hail mary and his arm sucks. Hyrax Attack! posted:For Supreme Court, won’t that require at least 50 senators & hope there isn’t one conservative democrat holdout? Guessing if Dems don’t have senate all judicial appts stop. I think that was one of the reasons they kept Feinstein propped up so long. A source I trust (Dave Weigel) says that there were a few Republican Senators willing to move their judicial blockade on Garland, making a 5-4 liberal court, if Hillary won in 2016. That may not be the case anymore though, and you're right about the rest of the stuff. And Democrats have self-selected out the lovely anti-choice candidates nowadays, so 50/House/President will do it now. They'd bust the filibuster for poo poo like that now. facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Jul 8, 2024 |
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For Project 2025 stuff, someone made a pretty exhaustive twitter thread, with page citations from the OG document, of some of what these fuckheads plan to do if they get the chance. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1807195762192724403.html Some choice passages quote:Safe baby formula? Not a priority. “As for baby formula regulations generally, labeling regulations and regulations that unnecessarily delay the manufacture and sale of baby formula should be re-evaluated.” (302). quote:Instead of schools, let’s give teens more dangerous jobs. “Some young adults show an interest in inherently dangerous jobs...DOL should amend its hazard-order regulations to permit teenage workers access to work in regulated jobs with proper training and parental consent.” (595). quote:They’re going to double down on the war on drugs, prosecuting interstate drug cases much more harshly (and by “interstate drug trade” they also mean “mailing abortion pills”) (555, 562). quote:The Trump DOJ will basically override local voters and prosecutors, bringing federal charges where they deem states not punitive enough. (553)
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One benefit of Biden loving up the debate is that Project 2025 basically broke contain and entered the normiesphere. Donnie disavowed the group yesterday, which zero people actually believe.
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facialimpediment posted:Biden will likely get the chance to replace 2-3 Supreme Court justices next term, likely reversing the recent abysmal decisions. he will? who was expected to step down other than Sotomayor? Thomas and Alito are both pretty old, but the former seems like the type to die in office out of spite (and wanting to keep the grift train running) and the latter seems like the last person to step down with a democrat in office sure, Biden could pack the court next term, but... yeah, 'bout that
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Thomas has been mysteriously sick a bunch, Roberts has already mysteriously fell down and concussed himself, and Sotomayor's diabetes isn't very well controlled with the medical stuff she's reportedly needed. Fully agreed on the court packing thing - I'm not sure that's something a trifecta would push, though they sure should!
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