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Tiny Timbs posted:I’m skeptical of the “money issue” since I doubt the response to Biden stroking out today and Kamala bowing out would be a full refund to donors. Here's all the money stuff: https://apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-biden-fundraising-election-campaign-donations-5709f07420b4f138caa884361653368e https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/09/us/politics/biden-harris-money.html Not-Kamala would probably lead to a transfer to the DNC (but it's not clean) and the new person's campaign starting with $0. Now not a true zero, as they'd probably just inherit the Biden campaign's people and get enough to pay them, but it's messy.
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orange juche posted:Big point against Kamala is that she's a pig. I'll take a centrist pig over a deranged orange fascist.
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orange juche posted:Big point against Kamala is that she's a pig. There is no scenario in which I look at A Cop and vote for Trump/Vance/Project 2025 instead. None. Fake edit- Basically, what was said before my post.
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https://x.com/will_doran/status/1814057887087632480?t=P_YZmP7IgysJ2VnVptxgEg&s=19 Lived in NC for a few years and Cooper seemed like a good Governor and would seem like a safe pick for a Harris/Cooper ticket
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Handsome Ralph posted:That's pretty much my thinking of the whole situation. If it isn't Biden at the top of the ticket, it needs to be Harris. If donors push both out, Dems are gonna lose for sure come November. You don't get to tell everyone you're fighting to save democracy, right after you push out two of the people who were, crappy primary field aside, chosen by Dem voters this past year. And it's telling that AOC and Bernie are standing firmly with Biden while centrist ghouls are screeching to any reporter that will listen on background. This is dead right. Biden wasn't kidding when he talked about "the elite" being against him. They're intentionally sabotaging him because a Trump presidency isn't as bad to these fucks than the donor wallets closing. The reason why this is still in the news is because the centrist Democrats won't let it fade. Three weeks is forever in the modern news cycle! Trump was nicked by a shooter! The Republican Convention is happening! JD Vance is awful! But "should Biden drop out" is still a daily news story because fuckers like Nancy "I'm older than Biden but shhhhh" Pelosi and Adam Schiff keep dripping this poo poo out! Bernie, AOC, Jim Clyburn are firm on "let's move forward with Biden" because they aren't dependent on the big money and actually want to win.
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One thing I feel like has been a bit of a shock to me recently is it seems like all of the networks are fawning over Trump since the shooting. It's almost like they've decided he's going to give them higher ratings and are pushing the chips in. I guess the address tonight will be the true litmus test. If he gets right back to his old poo poo, do outlets like CNN and ABC decide he's a bad idea again?
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It's part of the Business Plot 2.0!
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Pine Cone Jones posted:It's part of the Business Plot 2.0! Someone made this point, https://bsky.app/profile/figgityfigs.bsky.social/post/3kxloqfdjqm2i quote:If big donors get this proof of concept to work, if they are able to boot the sitting president from running for reelection by holding back money, there’s lots of stuff the wealthy would prefer a president not do besides “be old,” and they’ll loving try it next time.
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CBJSprague24 posted:One thing I feel like has been a bit of a shock to me recently is it seems like all of the networks are fawning over Trump since the shooting. It's almost like they've decided he's going to give them higher ratings and are pushing the chips in. He’s had a change of heart. He’s turned over a new leaf. He’s had the scales fall from his eyes. He’s come to Jesus. Source: Opens folder. Moths fly out.
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CBJSprague24 posted:One thing I feel like has been a bit of a shock to me recently is it seems like all of the networks are fawning over Trump since the shooting. It's almost like they've decided he's going to give them higher ratings and are pushing the chips in. https://x.com/edsbs/status/1814083451600994464 They're basically acting like a normal person got shot, instead of it being "bloodbath" donnie. And if you get low-energy Teleprompter Trump Turning Over A New Leaf, it'll be a new level of stupid. Old joke: “How do you convince a Beltway reporter you’re not slapping them in the face?” “…Tell them you’re not.” Edit: and a Dave Weigel quote: "You can always tell who doesn't read Truth Social" facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Jul 19, 2024 |
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facialimpediment posted:https://x.com/edsbs/status/1814083451600994464 TBOTP strikes again.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Biden wasn't kidding when he talked about "the elite" being against him. They're intentionally sabotaging him because a Trump presidency isn't as bad to these fucks than the donor wallets closing. The reason why this is still in the news is because the centrist Democrats won't let it fade. 1) I don't understand the exact motive you're attributing to the elites/donors for "sabotaging" Biden. 2) Complaining chiefly about it being in the news to reject the idea of swapping out Biden isn't too perspective: whether Biden should drop out is best based on an alternative's hypothetical improved likelihood to beat Trump. While talking about it further in the media does itself further degrade perceptions of Biden, complaining about that exclusively reads like a way to sidestep concerns about electability. Of course, no one has a genuinely good measure for any of the likelihoods involved, so it's become a screaming match.
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Doubleposting because it seems the Trump campaign has kicked Hogan off the speaker schedule over this: https://x.com/bidenswins/status/1814033177855263059?s=46
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Donald Trump’s assassination attempt sneakers are a direct competitor to Hogan’s meat shoes.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Doubleposting because it seems the Trump campaign has kicked Hogan off the speaker schedule over this: 
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Cugel the Clever posted:Doubleposting because it seems the Trump campaign has kicked Hogan off the speaker schedule over this: Wait’ll they hear what vice president said
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://x.com/will_doran/status/1814057887087632480?t=P_YZmP7IgysJ2VnVptxgEg&s=19 Cooper is a good governor and fantastic speaker and the way he end ran his chud psycho legislature by selling Medicaid expansion directly to the republican voters and letting them threaten their statehouse reps with primary challenges over it is a model for red state governance.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Doubleposting because it seems the Trump campaign has kicked Hogan off the speaker schedule over this 
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https://twitter.com/airbagged/status/1814113434474090596 LOL I'm proud of myself as I'm watching sumo instead of this Please clap
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Cugel the Clever posted:Couple things: It's not about "sabotaging" Biden, it's about "elites" in the media/politics having made up their minds and airing their doubts in a very public forum like the Times or Atlantic. You'll notice conservative media constantly talking about sleepy Joe, but it was conveniently ignored until the debate. The performance at the debate is merely one data point that the media has chosen to latch on to, and receiving undue weight in coverage. Biden already had a stutter, and now he has to debate a man who ignores the moderator's questions and only speaks in tangents? Not going to look good. More likely that the media realized in 2016 all the gross and inept Trump reporting wasn't driving engagement–so they report stuff about Biden instead. Nick Soapdish posted:I'm proud of myself as I'm watching sumo instead of this Please clap It's a Vince McMahon production and we're all living in it Suicide Watch fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jul 19, 2024 |
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https://x.com/atrupar/status/1814131621911556481?t=nHaL2_He-scicCSBMWE95g&s=19 "Stop PICKING ON ME, GUYS! You almost got me KILLED last week!"
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CBJSprague24 posted:https://x.com/atrupar/status/1814131621911556481?t=nHaL2_He-scicCSBMWE95g&s=19 I remember back at the 2004 RNC when they were wearing band aids with little hearts drawn in purple ink. Actual sacrifice will always be worthy of derision to these types. I'm sure that if Inouye or Duckworth were running they would find some way to diminish their injuries and make it seem like any boo-boo their candidate received from falling drunk off a slowly sloping ramp was the most grave of sacrifices for their cause.
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Evil is winning not because good people refuse to do anything about it, but because the Dems can't stop loving infighting and play to win. The good people are fighting the other good people, and the evil people are slowly winning. Yay.
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AOC did an IG live broadcast tonight talking about the state of things wrt Biden: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9l41vgOAGj/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link None of the Democrats saying he should resign has even a hint of a plan of what to do afterwards, they're all just freaking each other out.
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Wombot posted:None of the Democrats saying he should resign has even a hint of a plan of what to do afterwards, they're all just freaking each other out. This needs to end in one direction or another ASAP to clear the runway for the campaign.
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This political moment did not fall out of a coconut tree. It exists in the context of the vice presidency and the twenty‐fifth amendment to the Constitution, for this exact thing.
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Except for the fact that the story and rumors going around today is that Kamala isn't necessarily the agreed-upon pick. Watch the video, she talks about this.
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I have a feeling that the problem is they can't agree upon a pick, and likely won't be able to by the time it becomes extremely critical. This election is really hammering home the following Simpsons bit from... oh look, exactly thirty years ago: 
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Isn’t it kind of tautological to say that no one agrees what to do if Joe drops out? You could pick any path and say, e.g., “no one agrees what to do if Kamala isn’t the nominee”. That’s the thing. There isn’t a consensus on what to do, period. If there were a consensus, there would be nothing to discuss. It would simply be happening.
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The DNC knows who the candidate is by knowing who it isn't.
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Tiny posted:Evil is winning not because good people refuse to do anything about it, but because the Dems can't stop loving infighting and play to win. The good people are fighting the other good people, and the evil people are slowly winning. On the other hand, evil just hosed up by delivering an hour and a half of teleprompter Trump, in a speech too late in the night, that even bored people at the convention, and they couldn't even spell the dead guy's last name right. And it's all gone off front pages this morning due to Crowdstrike and Azure fuckups. Sort the poo poo out by/during the convention (which is kind of mandatory anyways) and there's a good chance of a rebound. It ain't gonna be Donnie, he's stuck being Donnie. Wombot posted:None of the Democrats saying he should resign has even a hint of a plan of what to do afterwards, they're all just freaking each other out. Part of it appears to be that Kamala isn't well liked by the Democratic elected class. Many of them are also bad at politics, west wing-pilled, and listening to rich donors that are the same.
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Wombot posted:AOC did an IG live broadcast tonight talking about the state of things wrt Biden: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9l41vgOAGj/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Someone did a write up for those of us who don't have an hour to watch right now (lol IT world is on fire this morning) https://tlomisc.s3.amazonaws.com/AOC-BidenConundrum.txt TLDR: It's ride or die, and a lot of the rich donors do not understand (because they're rich and don't understand the word no) that it is literally impossible to start a new campaign at this point. A lot of them are also pushing for Harris to not be the nominee either which is really really loving stupid.
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I think dropping Biden in favor of Harris is doable and probably not the worst idea (tho I actually mostly think Biden has been pretty good), but if it's gonna happen it needs to happen now or everyone needs to shut up about it. Like this weekend or never. Trying to get anyone else on the ticket for president besides Harris seems like a disaster. The FT is reporting senior democrats etc. think Biden will be out by Monday, and if so, great, let's move on. The sooner someone starts reminding everyone how scary and insane Trump/Vance are the better, bonus points if they can promote a positive vision for the future that isn't just 'see those guys? they're nuts, we are still bad, but we aren't that bad'. Harris doesn't have much charisma and doesn't inspire a ton of love for sure, but she isn't a million years old, isn't Donald Trump, and isn't Joe Biden, and she would shred Trump in a debate.
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AOC doesn't make a whole lot of arguments for Biden in that summary, mainly arguments against changing the ticket. Maybe what she's leaving unsaid despite the "I'm telling it like it is" schtick is that if Biden gets elected he's going to be 25th'd anyway. I do not think a candidate that is literally breaking down before our eyes is very electable, though, even if he commands the respect of the olds. Also the "yass qween" comments in that summary are bizarre.
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bulletsponge13 posted:November is a long way away, the timeline just gets worse/more weird. If anything, at least this stuff is kind of making clear the stakes and current trajectory to drat near everyone involved. I don't think (per y'all's recap of AOC) that it's feasible to start a campaign from scratch at this point - the nominee will have Biden's campaign structure. And from what I've heard, Biden has a lot of good on-ground campaign offices, set up for Obama-style ground game turnout. I just don't think that turnout argument is easy when it's Joe making the argument. He can't really make arguments anymore.
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bulletsponge13 posted:November is a long way away, the timeline just gets worse/more weird. But early ballots start getting issued in Sept. And we're <2 weeks from August now. As AOC kindly reminds us. No candidate but Biden can run on Biden's record and the gains from the Inflation Reduction Act. Those are extremely relevant. And the people who want Kamala to lead the ticket...don't they realize she's who we get if Biden gets 25'd? So in that case age becomes irrelevant. Only reason to mention an open convention is to usurp Kamala for someone who does not have the national recognition the current ticket has. Suicide Watch fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Jul 19, 2024 |
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Suicide Watch posted:No candidate but Biden can run on Biden's record and the gains from the Inflation Reduction Act. Those are extremely relevant. Not really disagreeing - but CAN he? He can't make his own case for poo poo unless it's in an ad, in a paper statement, or only barely so in telepromptered speeches. quote:And the people who want Kamala to lead the ticket...don't they realize she's who we get if Biden gets 25'd? So in that case age becomes irrelevant. A general thing is that most Voters simply don't care about the VP nominee. Could have the best VP nominee in the drat country, but voters won't care if they think the presidential nominee sucks. Edit: https://x.com/EmmaVigeland/status/1814129278595862853?t=TFNC_P7ZX-mT0kwS5TcocA&s=19 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jul 19, 2024 |
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