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Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

mlmp08 posted:

If Trump wins, then at least we'll get 4 more years of "Bernie would have won" versus "Bernie couldn't even win a primary, how would he win the general?" and oh boy, what a treat that enduring debate would be...

Considering the Cuban factor, I don’t think anyone can rationally argue that Bernie would have somehow did better in Florida...granted I don’t think you’re talking about rational discussions.

Defenestrategy posted:

Alternatively the people "scared into voting trump" where always gonna vote R and would use this as "economic anxiety 2.0"

Touché. That said it may have also gotten people who weren’t planning to vote, but eh that’s for a post election deep dive.

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Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

If Biden had just said he'd legalize weed he'd be winning in a landslide. Of course he couldn't though, because ???

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


mlmp08 posted:

If Trump wins, then at least we'll get 4 more years of "Bernie would have won" versus "Bernie couldn't even win a primary, how would he win the general?" and oh boy, what a treat that enduring debate would be...

Just pretend I typed out someone thoughtful (original plan) whereas now I just said go gently caress yourself for that's where I'm at right now

Johnny Five-Jaces
Jan 21, 2009


mlmp08 posted:

If Trump wins, then at least we'll get 4 more years of "Bernie would have won" versus "Bernie couldn't even win a primary, how would he win the general?" and oh boy, what a treat that enduring debate would be...

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Fister Roboto posted:

If Biden had just said he'd legalize weed he'd be winning in a landslide. Of course he couldn't though, because ???

Had to give that up when he ended up with a prosecutor for a running mate.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Fister Roboto posted:

If Biden had just said he'd legalize weed he'd be winning in a landslide. Of course he couldn't though, because ???

Because it means they’d be letting people who do weed legally buy guns and that would upset wine moms??? Really I have no clue.

antimatt
Sep 12, 2007

ultima ratio regum
Or just a person who does their job, given the rules.

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA
It's horrifying to me that millions of Americans simply do not inhabit a fact-based reality. Their relatives die around them and they trust the carnival barker because he tells confidently them what they want to hear. Even when it comes out unambiguously from his own mouth that he's lying to them. It's not "oh, these folks have different policy preferences that they've arrived at through well-reasoned thought;" it's, "these folks will trust any loud crank who will cynically feed their fears and worst impulses."

This feels like like being at a social event and hearing some slovenly wackjob loudly proclaim he fucks his dog, only for half the crowd to start nodding knowingly and clapping him on the back. These fucks just live in a reality that is completely at odds with mine and they're dangerous.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

mlmp08 posted:

If Trump wins, then at least we'll get 4 more years of "Bernie would have won" versus "Bernie couldn't even win a primary, how would he win the general?" and oh boy, what a treat that enduring debate would be...

Well you're doing a great job of starting it with this post.

lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".

Cugel the Clever posted:

It's horrifying to me that millions of Americans simply do not inhabit a fact-based reality. Their relatives die around them and they trust the carnival barker because he tells confidently them what they want to hear. Even when it comes out unambiguously from his own mouth that he's lying to them. It's not "oh, these folks have different policy preferences that they've arrived at through well-reasoned thought;" it's, "these folks will trust any loud crank who will cynically feed their fears and worst impulses."

This feels like like being at a social event and hearing some slovenly wackjob loudly proclaim he fucks his dog, only for half the crowd to start nodding knowingly and clapping him on the back. These fucks just live in a reality that is completely at odds with mine and they're dangerous.

Going to any conservative space is like going to the other side of a mirror. They are saying the exact same thing.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost

Fister Roboto posted:

Well you're doing a great job of starting it with this post.

My post should've been taken as black humor, not as an invitation to actually debate it; chill

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.
CNN is now saying Philadelphia has like 270,000 mail-ins still to run. Pittsburgh is in a similar boat.

e- https://twitter.com/SalehaMohsin/status/1323839724063252483

:shepicide:

https://twitter.com/PaulBlu/status/1323836714012577793

:suspense:

CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Nov 4, 2020

bengy81
May 8, 2010

lightpole posted:

Going to any conservative space is like going to the other side of a mirror. They are saying the exact same thing.

sometimes my doomscrolling takes me to r/conservative, and holy poo poo, it's like bizarro world, enough that it makes me think I'm losing my mind because I cannot, for the life of me, fathom what the gently caress they are on about, on anything.
Like last week, they were saying that Wheezy coming out for Trump would give him like 30% of the black vote????

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost
PA has something like 2+ million mail ballots to count yet. And it will take a long time because they generally don't authorize counting them ahead of election day, because everything is stupid.

antimatt
Sep 12, 2007

ultima ratio regum
F U C K

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
:siren: VERY GOOD NEWS HERE :siren:

https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1323842945368338434

NE-02 is likely Biden and I haven't heard anything changing that, so MI/WI/NE-02 gets him 270. PA ends it and is a bonus.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost
On top of being really annoying just because of delay and people being anxious, it will open up an avenue 8 miles wide for people of all stripes to develop pet theories and poo poo about ballot counting based on whatever biases they need confirmed. So... neat.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

facialimpediment posted:

:siren: VERY GOOD NEWS HERE :siren:

https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1323842945368338434

NE-02 is likely Biden and I haven't heard anything changing that, so MI/WI/NE-02 gets him 270. PA ends it and is a bonus.

Hahaha John McCain loving Trump from beyond the grave is both awesome and very 2020.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Note that Fox News is kind of on a limb, and McSally is complaining about it. But, they have a good decision desk.

not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u
Wait, all this poo poo is so crazy right now I might have not even bothered paying attention today? I could've been playing Death Stranding?

Ain't that some poo poo.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost

not caring here posted:

Wait, all this poo poo is so crazy right now I might have not even bothered paying attention today? I could've been playing Death Stranding?

Ain't that some poo poo.

Yeah, though that's basically been the case for about 2 hours. If it wasn't an immediate blowout, it was always pretty likely to just take a long time such that there's little to lose by loving off other than that you might miss some weird meltdowns or something.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

not caring here posted:

Wait, all this poo poo is so crazy right now I might have not even bothered paying attention today? I could've been playing Death Stranding?

Ain't that some poo poo.

Always has been.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Previous replies: haha I love you guys. Like I mean that seriously.

Also Ohio went to Trump apparently.

https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1323844504676433920

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus
this poo poo is way closer than it has any business being

the fact that so many people are voting for a jackass that cares more about the dow than if they get sick and die really blows my mind

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.
FOX was the first to call AZ for Biden and Trump's campaign is not happy about it.

DurosKlav
Jun 13, 2003

Enter your name pilot!

Fairfax in Virginia just cleared up its constipation and Biden has now jumped ahead there.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Looks like more good news!

https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1323849023216865282

This is one of the electoral votes that would put Biden at 270, if he takes WI/MI, loses PA, and AZ holds where it is. NE-02 would give him 271, which is expected.

Cyks
Mar 17, 2008

The trenches of IT can scar a muppet for life

facialimpediment posted:

Looks like more good news!

https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1323849023216865282

This is one of the electoral votes that would put Biden at 270, if he takes WI/MI, loses PA, and AZ holds where it is. NE-02 would give him 271, which is expected.

Yep. It looks safe to say it'll come down to whoever can grab two of those states, but we won't know tonight.
Unless there's some major change/upset elsewhere tonight.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost
https://twitter.com/parkermolloy/status/1323844446199386112?s=21

She’s not wrong.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
“If we are victorious in one more such battle, we shall be utterly ruined.”

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

Cyks posted:

Yep. It looks safe to say it'll come down to whoever can grab two of those states, but we won't know tonight.
Unless there's some major change/upset elsewhere tonight.

But isn't that the issue?
Didn't Trump want to just "call it" if he gets close and then use the courts to stop the counting or something, idk?

I'm gonna drive up to my parents to switch to my winter tires, and then back to Munich, so I'm giving myself 5-6 hours of respite from this shitshow.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Looks like Lindsay Graham barely hangs on.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
I think the state legislatures would have to consent to stopping the count and also survive a court challenge from tbe biden team upon doing so so it's not as simple as just "calling it" as far as I'm aware.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Midjack posted:

Looks like Lindsay Graham barely hangs on.

Well he is the worst kind of turd so this tracks.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Duzzy Funlop posted:

But isn't that the issue?
Didn't Trump want to just "call it" if he gets close and then use the courts to stop the counting or something, idk?

I'm gonna drive up to my parents to switch to my winter tires, and then back to Munich, so I'm giving myself 5-6 hours of respite from this shitshow.

It doesn't really work that way.

If the state has possession of the ballot, whether by mail absentee or in-person voting, it counts, period, the end. Donnie can't do poo poo about it. This is what has everyone freaked the gently caress out if Donnie tries to attack them - but he has no legal standing on it. Like literally zero. It's not a thing and won't happen.

Several states have laws that mail ballots postmarked on election day (in other words, in the mail system), count if they get there within 3-7 days. Donnie is trying to gently caress with that, but he's not getting anywhere when it's written into state law. He's had success when it's just a pandemic measure done by the state executive.

Several states also have procedures to "cure" mailed ballots - like ballots missing a secrecy sleeve, or a bad mismatched signature. Donnie's fighting that too and it's up in the air because it hasn't been hosed with before.

Right now, there's no "recount" to stop.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Preemptive Bernie would have won

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://twitter.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1323858969648123908?s=21

:lol:

What in the actual gently caress is going on?

Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Nov 4, 2020

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


it's faux news

bitch baby small hands probably called them up in a frothing xanaxy rage

DurosKlav
Jun 13, 2003

Enter your name pilot!


Trump yelled at them.

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ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus

:smugdon:

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