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Porfiriato posted:Ahhh that makes a lot more sense. I even checked 538's pollster ratings to make sure it was (what I thought) was the joke pollster - they list them as "Scott Rasmussen (Rasmussen Reports)" so seems like they're a bit out of date as well. The real motherfucker is how many news organizations use the Real Clear Politics average and just how chuddy *they* are with their decisions on what polls to add and which not too. Fun, confusing stuff! hobbesmaster posted:Does “volunteer” mean he actually served in the IDF and wasn’t drafted or does it mean something completely different? I can't find poo poo about it. Kamala had better have good vetters.
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So Shapiro is just your average Zionist https://x.com/ettingermentum/status/1819398847317111043?t=Bo8RG_hy3USkItirJj01fg&s=19
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Hyrax Attack! posted:they threw out the bad president in 2014 and found had a private zoo & restaurant that looked like a pirate ship. My opinion of Donald Trump would improve if I found that he had a private zoo and a restaurant that looks like a pirate ship.
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Here's the Shapiro info: https://x.com/danielmarans/status/1819488465685237762?t=Bt7MilGirwJ-PW8KPJhKHw&s=19 quote:"While he was in high school, Josh Shapiro was required to do a service project, which he and several classmates completed through a program that took them to a kibbutz in Israel where he worked on a farm and at a fishery. The program also included volunteering on service projects on an Israeli army base. At no time was he engaged in any military activities," Manuel Bonder, spokesperson.
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Arrath posted:Maaaan just pick Kelly as the running mate dammit.  Jet pilot astronaut Senator from AZ. I mean... come on. That definitely is better than... this facialimpediment posted:Here's the Shapiro info:
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Stultus Maximus posted:
Kelly's a fantastic pick, but I think the Dems are too scared of losing his senate seat.
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What about Beshear or Walz?
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facialimpediment posted:Here's the Shapiro info: Oof. We're all old enough to remember who was "assassinated by his fellow belligerent Israelis because he [did] not represent the majority opinion." Right?
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Platystemon posted:My opinion of Donald Trump would improve if I found that he had a private zoo and a restaurant that looks like a pirate ship. That would be far more tasteful than what he actually has.
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Stultus Maximus posted:
To some extent, they're mostly all the same, with differing drawbacks and benefits. Kelly is really iffy with Unions, as he didn't endorse the PRO Act until his name hit the shortlist. A lot of this weird Shapiro stuff may be relatively normal for heavily Jewish households, I really don't know. He's already recanted a lot of the edgelordy college stuff, which you know, same. He also has some policy ick on school unions and charter/private schooling. I do wonder how much of this stuff is trial ballooned, relatively standard public VP vetting. I don't think the media really has a good read on the situation because Kamala has run a much tighter ship in the last few years: https://x.com/JarrettRenshaw/status/1819490069608353945?t=s82O1RT1AP4-HLiyryjqiA&s=19 I don't think anyone knows who she's going to pick, so the Democratic groups are jockeying to have their voices heard. Like how the UAW is for Walz/Beshear, Pelosi and the hill are for Walz, etc.
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I'm not sure Kelly is the best pick as I don't think he's as willing to go on the attack as Walz or Beshear are. I'd say pick one of those two.
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Does Walz have any baggage? Seems good but dunno if missing something.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Does Walz have any baggage? Seems good but dunno if missing something. He doesn’t come from a battleground state.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Does Walz have any baggage? Seems good but dunno if missing something. Once in 2013 someone sneezed and he didn't say "bless you". Irredeemably toxic.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Does Walz have any baggage? Seems good but dunno if missing something. He doesn't wave to let another driver go through first at a four way stop
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I heard he forgot his wife's birthday once.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Does Walz have any baggage? Seems good but dunno if missing something. Best I got is good-governance type problems with the overall Minnesota government, like COVID money scandals and such. Seems like small potatoes, like "he isn't a good manager and isn't very transparent" complaints. Also was governor during the George Floyd protests. Otherwise, his blowhard, progressive, small-towny stuff that can be a bit grating. I like it a lot. facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Aug 3, 2024 |
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The two most recent big criticisms of him as governor are around a few high profile cases of fraud with his “Feeding Our Future” program that the state put into place to keep kids fed while schools were locked down during covid and the slow rollout of legal dispensaries for recreational marijuana in the state. Ohh and he was governor when the George Floyd murder happened and people complain that he didn’t send the national guard in to quell unrest.
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Biden really likes Shapiro, but he's basically nailed why I'd almost recommend VP Walz just for the vibes alone: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/02/politics/joe-biden-kamala-harris-running-mate-candidates/index.html quote:... for some of the president’s advisers, it’s hard to imagine him personally rooting for anyone but Shapiro. Put the guy in charge of vibes and send him all around the swing states for the whole drat campaign, and the whole drat country if you win. Edit: I'm also sold on the guy for policy as in this podcast he just sat down for (transcript included). He has a whole thing about why Minnesota specifically didn't means-test free school lunches and went door-to-door to get people filing taxes to take advantage of their state child tax credit. Edit2: ok one of his book recommendations was Command and Control, I'm fuckin sold facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Aug 3, 2024 |
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facialimpediment posted:Edit2: ok one of his book recommendations was Command and Control, I'm fuckin sold Okay, now I'm really gonna be bummed out if it's not Walz. Like I didn't realize the guy was an E-9 until the other day, which, he does not act like any E-9 (retired, guard, or active) I've ever dealt with. Like dude had me at "Hey we're gonna feed kids breakfast and lunch for free, because it's the right loving thing to do" and then you go and post this. God dammit. EDIT: Seriously, as someone who grew up poor and had to watch my mom deal with means testing bullshit just to get me free lunches, this kinda poo poo brings a tear to my eye. 
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Handsome Ralph posted:Okay, now I'm really gonna be bummed out if it's not Walz. Like I didn't realize the guy was an E-9 until the other day, which, he does not act like any E-9 (retired, guard, or active) I've ever dealt with. See this is how you receive hugs from kids. No hairsniffing to be seen.
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Handsome Ralph posted:Okay, now I'm really gonna be bummed out if it's not Walz. Like I didn't realize the guy was an E-9 until the other day, which, he does not act like any E-9 (retired, guard, or active) I've ever dealt with. Same. It got worse when my Mom decided crack was better than parenting, and wouldn't fill out the paper work. My school looked the other way, and gave me free lunch anyway. I got very lucky in that way. There is no good justifiable reason we do not have universal- well, anything besides suffering- free breakfast/lunch. It's a net benefit for everyone involved.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Same. It got worse when my Mom decided crack was better than parenting, and wouldn't fill out the paper work. My school looked the other way, and gave me free lunch anyway. I got very lucky in that way. That was exactly the argument he made against Republicans saying "well, you're giving rich kids free lunch!!!!" Or "but you're giving $1750 per kid per year and there's no limit to the amount of kids you can claim so welfare queens benefit!!!!" Means-testing is logically correct, but real-world abysmal the moment you impose any paperwork requirement. Him and the Democrats just went gently caress it and ditched the free breakfast/lunch means test, because they could, and did their damndest to get non-tax filers to file for the $1750 because they couldn't legally give the credit without a tax return. At least in his version of the retelling! Handsome Ralph posted:Okay, now I'm really gonna be bummed out if it's not Walz. I'm in a similar boat, though even if he doesn't get the pick, I'd expect him to be all over the place as a surrogate. And he seems to have his head on straight about how to use the "weird" thing - use it against Donnie/JD and politicians, but the rallygoers are basically his family members and hands-off those folks. That's probably where Obama/Hillary went wrong (for electoral purposes, I still think they're terrible people for even supporting Donnie  ).
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bulletsponge13 posted:There is no good justifiable reason we do not have universal- well, anything besides suffering- free breakfast/lunch. It's a net benefit for everyone involved. Oh 100%, even from a cold hearted perspective it helps boost brain & body growth so they’ll be more productive workers & able to be drafted.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Oh 100%, even from a cold hearted perspective it helps boost brain & body growth so they’ll be more productive workers & able to be drafted. But they won't be able to- that was the whole reason for free lunch to start with. Too many draftees were declared 4f due to malnutrition and related ailments. The DOD today's tends to support universal FL/FB, because we are having the same sorts of problems today.
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facialimpediment posted:I'm in a similar boat, though even if he doesn't get the pick, I'd expect him to be all over the place as a surrogate. And he seems to have his head on straight about how to use the "weird" thing - use it against Donnie/JD and politicians, but the rallygoers are basically his family members and hands-off those folks. That's probably where Obama/Hillary went wrong (for electoral purposes, I still think they're terrible people for even supporting Donnie Well, yeah. He ran a lunchroom for years. He's an expert at playground insults and how to deploy them.
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Elviscat posted:Man, that Walz guy sounds like a real good dude. Yeah 25 years in the national guard, high school teacher and football coach, good midwest Lutheran, seems like a real salt of the earth guy who balances attacks against Harris of WEST COAST LIBERAL!! But turns out he's actually much further to the left than Harris, he just seems like the normal one! Beshear brings alot of those same qualities in terms of 'not a scary minority lady from the Democratic People's Republic of Kalifornia', as did Roy Cooper. Shapiro is kind of the opposite to me. Actually more centrist than Walz (maybe not Beshear?) but doesn't come off as a normal guy in the way Walz/Beshear do and seems much more like a scary east coast liberal. He really reads 'politician' to me. Even though Beshear is just as much of of a career politician, he plays the normal guy a bit better.
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NYT et al chomped HARD on Donnie trying to move the debate a week earlier to Fox News and had to be yelled at to change their headlines to more match reality (as shown by an intern): https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1819750067462402408?t=F7xTVM2GyY7iXtj1XOmPWA&s=19 https://x.com/KamalaHarris/status/1819765605207253495?t=fO4qttCYXGe2Uk_WClmq6g&s=19 Punching the bully in the nose and calling him weird works!
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Let's be honest with ourselves before someone learns the wrong lessons. No one is punching the bully and that's not what our audience is about. We're bullying the weirdo. That's why it's working so well
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Trump is absolutely a bully.
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A.o.D. posted:Trump is absolutely a bully. And the weirdo who tried to punch him missed, we've been over this
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All fair. Anyways, I believe Kamala wanted to announce her pick by the 7th (Wednesday) and seeing lots of reports like this for all the contenders, so might know by the end of the weekend. https://x.com/tylerpager/status/1819842958880883007?t=fzEhgdpyf0yi0PfRAA14rQ&s=19
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Stultus Maximus posted:
I'd love to see Kelly pants Vance on the border. "I live in a border state and your dumbass boss torpedoed a border deal.", etc
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CBJSprague24 posted:I'd love to see Kelly pants Vance on the border. Unfortunately, Kelly doesn't seem like the attack dog type. So you'd probably get a more decorum answer. If he was he'd absolutely be the best pick strategically.
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Put him in a NASA-emblazoned smock and have him explain the groundbreaking 0-g research they are doing to define just how weird JD Vance is.
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My brain tells me it’s Shapiro with the idea he’d be able to swing PA. My heart tells me it’s Waltz who can help attack the right and help defend Harris from leftists undermining her agenda. Which means it’s going to be Bashier or whatever his name is from KY and we’ll get to see how weird he is.
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Nystral posted:My brain tells me it’s Shapiro with the idea he’d be able to swing PA. My heart tells me it’s Waltz who can help attack the right and help defend Harris from leftists undermining her agenda. In comes Mayo Pete with the stylish midcentury dining chair,
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