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OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
Talking about press conferences isn't working the public. It's working the press.

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Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

facialimpediment posted:

Donnie's barely been campaigning. Against Hillary, he did like 29 events in 30 days, while now he's treating his fox news phoners as an "event". I'm guessing he picked Montana because he wants to knock off Sen. Tester for some reason - it's a wasted day for him. The couchfucker is doing the typical VP trailing thing, but because he's creepy and Kamala has competent stagers:

https://x.com/jeffmason1/status/1821243482201100627?t=8fgzcZtrOLMOziU-WadlAw&s=19

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1821255556906025351?t=aKs_D5cL4c920i5ZtvBlfg&s=19

They just can't stop running the "Biden can't talk" strategy with Kamala as a swap-in when nobody but them is whining for press conferences at this point. Kamala/Walz will probably hold pressers for cancelled rallies due to weather!

In that earlier clip, they even had Vance deliver the "campaigning from his her basement" line.

pmchem
Jan 21, 2010

Mappo posted:

It looks like Trump is slowing down the number of rallies he is doing.
This week Harris and Waltz are doing:

Tuesday: Pennsylvania
Wednesday: Wisconsin
Thursday: Michigan
Friday: Arizona
Saturday: Nevada

Vance will be tailing behind them and doing rallies in the same states. Trump had two rallies planned this week, the one in North Carolina was cancelled due to tropical storm Deby, his next rally will be on Friday in Bozeman, Montana. Why are you going to Montana Donnie?

Trump is going to Montana to lock up a senate gain:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/2024/montana/

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
https://x.com/WUTangKids/status/1821273401765544082?t=BQpLOc5VabCKGclCXBlrMw&s=19

Serta-n Fury (1985)

The Hills Have Eyeliner

The Sopranopes

Suicide Watch
Sep 8, 2009

Doesn't seem like Vance realizes to many, Entourage is an insufferable show

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

DEER CRACKERS
https://x.com/JoeKassabian/status/1821227617707532707

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
there are so many couch jokes to be made that you definitely won't have to go looking between the cushions for more

Hannibal Rex
Feb 13, 2010

facialimpediment posted:

The Hills Have Eyeliner

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Zamujasa posted:

there are so many couch jokes to be made that you definitely won't have to go looking between the cushions for more

God dammit lol

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


Zamujasa posted:

there are so many couch jokes to be made that you definitely won't have to go looking between the cushions for more

:lol:

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
oops!

https://x.com/Jemsinger/status/1821306399554433292

quote:

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has repeatedly denied knowing about the Project 2025 policy blueprint or the people behind it. “Have no idea who is in charge of it,” he wrote in a social media post in July.

But in April 2022, Trump shared a 45-minute private flight with Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts, according to people familiar with the trip, plane-tracking data and a photograph from on board the plane, which has not been previously reported. They flew together to a Heritage conference where Trump delivered a keynote address that gestured to Heritage’s forthcoming policy proposals.

“They’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do,” Trump said in the speech.

Separately, Roberts told The Washington Post in an interview in April of this year that he had previously discussed Project 2025 with Trump as part of offering briefings to all presidential candidates. “I personally have talked to President Trump about Project 2025,” he said in the interview, “because my role in the project has been to make sure that all of the candidates who have responded to our offer for a briefing on Project 2025 get one from me.”

Trump campaign spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt said Roberts never briefed Trump. A Heritage spokeswoman declined to elaborate on private meetings.

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

Re: Bozeman, believe the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally is happening right now so maybe he wants to hang out with his beautiful tough guy bikers.

That or commemorate the 4th anniversary of the Sturgis Superspreader Event.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
honestly "BE NORMAL. BE NORMAL. BE NORMAL." would be an excellent thread title

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

To be fair, given the state of his brain it's possible for him to do all that and still have no idea about Project 2025.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


Bon Iver playing Battle Cry of Freedom at the Wisconsin rally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF3yUlCajVs

I hope they keep using the song the rest of the campaign.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

Soylent Pudding posted:

Bon Iver playing Battle Cry of Freedom at the Wisconsin rally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF3yUlCajVs

I hope they keep using the song the rest of the campaign.

I did not like his vocals at all. Owe.

Basticle
Sep 12, 2011


Terrifying Effigies posted:

Re: Bozeman, believe the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally is happening right now so maybe he wants to hang out with his beautiful tough guy bikers.

That or commemorate the 4th anniversary of the Sturgis Superspreader Event.

Surgis is nearly 500 miles from Bozeman :confused:

Robert Facepalmer
Jan 10, 2019


Yeah, that is what I was thinking, but it is on the way if you are going to Mar-A-Lago.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Crab Dad posted:

I did not like his vocals at all. Owe.
Ouch. Yeah.

This version is fantastic:
https://youtu.be/MGKnc_YiR-E?si=21eiv3Lr6T7lDUSz

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014
Not military nor did I serve, but I do have a question if you folks don't mind me wandering in here.

In the NG, how long is the process for someone of Walz's rank to retire? I imagine he doesn't just walk into his CO's office and says "hey, I'm outta here.".

From what I've read he retired a few months before his unit was alerted for Iraq, would it even have been possible for him to rejoin had he wanted too?

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

Cimber posted:

Not military nor did I serve, but I do have a question if you folks don't mind me wandering in here.

In the NG, how long is the process for someone of Walz's rank to retire? I imagine he doesn't just walk into his CO's office and says "hey, I'm outta here.".

From what I've read he retired a few months before his unit was alerted for Iraq, would it even have been possible for him to rejoin had he wanted too?

I never retired, but when I saw other guys do it, it was a process often initiated a year in advance. As for going back in, he had a Sergeant Major's slot. Those are few and far between, and people only get those when one comes available, besides, retirement has a whole legal status associated with it. Anything is possible with waivers, but generally if the military wants you to unretire, they'll come find you, often with orders meaning you don't have a choice.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

Cimber posted:

Not military nor did I serve, but I do have a question if you folks don't mind me wandering in here.

In the NG, how long is the process for someone of Walz's rank to retire? I imagine he doesn't just walk into his CO's office and says "hey, I'm outta here.".

From what I've read he retired a few months before his unit was alerted for Iraq, would it even have been possible for him to rejoin had he wanted too?

It's like a year+ process, it's absolutely not something you do in the spur of the moment.

Plus when a command sergeant major retires or leaves the unit, they get another CSM. That's how billets work. The idea that he somehow abandoned his unit by cravenly retiring after 24 years of service is insultingly asinine. There isn't a :jerkbag: big enough for JD Vance.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

DEER CRACKERS
Boy I sure would be owned if MAGA brought attention to Vance’s military record.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Platystemon posted:

Boy I sure would be owned if MAGA brought attention to Vance’s military record.

It would be more attention than he's getting from normal people.

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1821337051087634437?t=Z3ythGHlARLTSJNKe9uevQ&s=19

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Terrifying Effigies posted:

Re: Bozeman, believe the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally is happening right now so maybe he wants to hang out with his beautiful tough guy bikers.

That or commemorate the 4th anniversary of the Sturgis Superspreader Event.

Lol it wasn’t in their top 50 reasons for collapse but was fun how WCW kept having ill advised PPVs at Sturgis despite not being able to charge for attendance & how drunken bikers weren’t the best crowd.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Congratulations everyone, we've made it to the porn phase of the campaign!

https://x.com/eilperin/status/1821343939342831788

quote:

Trump has begun asking friends and allies how his campaign staff is doing — a question that some say could lead to staff changes, though the former president has not said he is planning that and has expressed support for campaign aides in recent days, a person close to him said. He has asked why Harris is raising so much more money than him, people familiar with the comments say. Trump has also repeatedly raised the large crowds that Harris is getting compared with Biden, people who have spoken to him said.

Some Trump advisers grew alarmed last week when Kellyanne Conway arrived at his Bedminster, N.J., golf resort for a meeting and posted about it on X. Conway, who was the manager of his winning campaign in 2016, has a long relationship with Trump and has questioned some of the campaign’s decisions but has not specified any personnel changes she thinks Trump should make, according to people who have spoken to her.

-----
Inside his campaign, there have been frustrations about some of his other comments, people close to Trump say. When he went to a National Association of Black Journalists event in Chicago, he made unplanned remarks that suggested Harris was not really Black.

“I didn’t know she was Black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn Black and now she wants to be known as Black. So, I don’t know, is she Indian or is she Black?” Trump said falsely.
While the campaign sought to defend his comments, Trump was frustrated by the event. He did not know that Harris was not going to appear, that the journalists were going to ask such tough questions and that there would be a fact-checking component to the event, one person who spoke with him about it said.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

Others have covered it- he would have put in at least a year prior. He also did deploy, just not to AFG or Iraq when his former unit went. It's a bullshit half truth purity test that is being applied.

That's also ignoring the way the military works- he probably wouldn't have been able to just not go because at that time, there was the Stop Loss Policy; he wouldn't have been allowed to retire, and would have been forced to go.

As for recall, yeah, they can recall your retired rear end. In 2006, my FOB commander served in Vietnam, and was forcibly recalled to deploy, or lose his Colonel pension. Unless your retirement code bars it due to inability to serve, like medical Retirement.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003

Platystemon posted:

Boy I sure would be owned if MAGA brought attention to Vance’s military record.

you mean the thing with the couches?

E: was curious because I had heard nothing about what vance did in the marines

quote:

Vance served a four-year enlistment in the Marines from 2003 to 2007 as a combat correspondent, deploying to Iraq for six months in late 2005.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/jd-vance-marine-veteran/

Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Aug 8, 2024

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost

bulletsponge13 posted:

As for recall, yeah, they can recall your retired rear end. In 2006, my FOB commander served in Vietnam, and was forcibly recalled to deploy, or lose his Colonel pension.

Are you sure you aren't misremembering something or that he didn't volunteer for recall to active duty? Even if he deployed at age 22 to Vietnam in the last year of boots-on-ground, 1973, that would mean he was a minimum of 55 years old (so yes, short of the US Code limit of age 60, but quite an edge case).

Maybe he went to Vietnam as a 2LT, then was a 30 years of service colonel who had only been retired for ~4-5 years when called back in, but quite an edge case if so.

I saw some IRR activations (including people who just stayed in indefinitely after their IRR recall) and voluntary retiree active duty tours, but I don't think I've ever met someone who was involuntarily forced back into service after a full retirement.

Typically the consequence of ignoring an IRR recall is absolutely nothing. The military has no good way or will to go after it. And when the Army involuntarily recalls someone, under US Code, it is limited to 12 months out of a 24 month period. So unless being deployed for a very special occasion, that isn't really enough time to mobilize, train, deploy someone for 6-12 months, and then demobilize them.

My guess is he volunteered, and maybe his reference to facing consequences is that when he volunteered to re-enter active duty, he was surprised to learn that they planned to deploy him overseas as a FOB commander.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

Wingnut Ninja posted:

To be fair, given the state of his brain it's possible for him to do all that and still have no idea about Project 2025.

Frankly I find the narrative hilarious given that any candidate, presidential congressional or state-level not fully aware of what of Project 2025 is, who the Heritage Foundation are and what it would mean for America should have serious doubts cast over their fitness to hold office. If I were the Dem campaign I would be zeroing in on that, and running with "he's either a liar or an idiot - not ideal in a candidate for President, huh?"

It would be much more sensible for self proclaimed Supergenius Trump to say "yeah I know all about it - but I'm more interested in talking about my own platform, or the platform of the opponents I am running against; not the Heritage Foundation, who I am not."

Sure, it still doesn't hold water those who know what's going on, - but it's a drat sight more strategic than claiming to be totally unaware of the thing that literally everyone opposite is talking about.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

mlmp08 posted:

Are you sure you aren't misremembering something or that he didn't volunteer for recall to active duty? Even if he deployed at age 22 to Vietnam in the last year of boots-on-ground, 1973, that would mean he was a minimum of 55 years old (so yes, short of the US Code limit of age 60, but quite an edge case).

Maybe he went to Vietnam as a 2LT, then was a 30 years of service colonel who had only been retired for ~4-5 years when called back in, but quite an edge case if so.

I saw some IRR activations (including people who just stayed in indefinitely after their IRR recall) and voluntary retiree active duty tours, but I don't think I've ever met someone who was involuntarily forced back into service after a full retirement.

Typically the consequence of ignoring an IRR recall is absolutely nothing. The military has no good way or will to go after it. And when the Army involuntarily recalls someone, under US Code, it is limited to 12 months out of a 24 month period. So unless being deployed for a very special occasion, that isn't really enough time to mobilize, train, deploy someone for 6-12 months, and then demobilize them.

My guess is he volunteered, and maybe his reference to facing consequences is that when he volunteered to re-enter active duty, he was surprised to learn that they planned to deploy him overseas as a FOB commander.

I'm repeating what I overheard him saying to other Officers when I was on his PSD. This was during The Surge. He had served AD in Vietnam (I don't know if it was as an Enlisted or Officer in Vietnam, but he was SF at some point), and did Army Reserve time. It might be bullshit, but this deployment was 1/3 IRR guys, and judging by his poor attitude, lovely conduct, and bitterness when he would tell people, I'm inclined to agree. I wouldn't swear on my kids lives or anything, and I totally admit I could be wrong. I just had a special disdain for him after he used provisions slated to improve our guard points and decaying fighting positions, and used it to build a driving range.


They quit leaving their golf poo poo out when it was mysteriously getting stolen/broken/thrown as far as the human could. Rumor was the Navy Soldiers poured a bucket of golf balls into the moat.

Hekk
Oct 12, 2012

'smeper fi

quote:

DODI 1352.1: Regular retired members and members of the retired Reserve must be managed to ensure they are accessible for national security and readiness requirements. Retirees may be used as a manpower source of last resort after other sources are determined not to be available or a source for unique skills not otherwise obtainable.

Military retirees shall be ordered to active duty with full pay and allowances. In general, a retired member recalled to active duty will serve in the member's retired grade. Military retiree categories are defined as follows:

Category I: non-disability retirees under age 60 who have been retired fewer than 5 years.
Category II: non-disability retirees under age 60 who have been retired 5 years or more.
Category III: Retired military members, including those retired for disability or any retired member over 60 years old.

I imagine the number of Category 1 & 2 retirees is pretty small.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Thank you, Johnny Hockey.
https://x.com/aliciasadowski6/status/1821327378041217260?t=t6VnD6mJutECZ6Xzn1FIsw&s=19

Oh yes, the vaunted Minnesota city of Milwaukee.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
(__|\\\\)
Taco Defender

bulletsponge13 posted:

Rumor was the Navy Soldiers poured a bucket of golf balls into the moat.

:arghfist::mad:

They're called Marines rah

Buy no one knows more about balls than the Navy. :patriot:

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
So apparently Walz is the most radical liberal to ever liberal a liberal, a case of stolen valor, an antifa operative looking to burn down Minnesota for reasons, a child groomer in the school system, and a Chinese Communist Party deep cover spy-op that only right wing media was able to uncover in two days.

They got nothing and they're still deeply loving weird.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost

bulletsponge13 posted:

I'm repeating what I overheard him saying to other Officers when I was on his PSD. This was during The Surge. He had served AD in Vietnam (I don't know if it was as an Enlisted or Officer in Vietnam, but he was SF at some point), and did Army Reserve time. It might be bullshit, but this deployment was 1/3 IRR guys, and judging by his poor attitude, lovely conduct, and bitterness when he would tell people, I'm inclined to agree. I wouldn't swear on my kids lives or anything, and I totally admit I could be wrong. I just had a special disdain for him after he used provisions slated to improve our guard points and decaying fighting positions, and used it to build a driving range.


They quit leaving their golf poo poo out when it was mysteriously getting stolen/broken/thrown as far as the human could. Rumor was the Navy Soldiers poured a bucket of golf balls into the moat.

I can’t know for sure but if I was forced to bet on it, he volunteered and expected a garrison or staff job at home and then once he volunteered, they “forced” him to deploy.

That was a common story of guard/reserve guys going for more retirement points or former active person expecting a 24 month active pay boost at some mob base and then being sent overseas as soon as practical.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007
I know he's not the right kind of ARE TROOPS since he's a democrat, so I'm assuming this is bullshit, but:

On a level from "smoking crack laced with PCP" to "a dead to rights case in any court in the land" how big of a deal is it that Walz retired as a master sergeant because he didn't complete the coursework to be a command sergeant major despite serving as one.

This sounds like bullshit gotcha word parsing, but not sure how much it actually matters within the military/vets.

Either way, pretty happy that all they have on this guy so far is "He claims that he retired as an E-9, but only SERVED as an E-9 and then was reduced to an E-8 when he retired" and "he retired a month before his unit was notified they would be deploying."

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

stealie72 posted:

I know he's not the right kind of ARE TROOPS since he's a democrat, so I'm assuming this is bullshit, but:

On a level from "smoking crack laced with PCP" to "a dead to rights case in any court in the land" how big of a deal is it that Walz retired as a master sergeant because he didn't complete the coursework to be a command sergeant major despite serving as one.

This sounds like bullshit gotcha word parsing, but not sure how much it actually matters within the military/vets.

Either way, pretty happy that all they have on this guy so far is "He claims that he retired as an E-9, but only SERVED as an E-9 and then was reduced to an E-8 when he retired" and "he retired a month before his unit was notified they would be deploying."

It doesn't matter at all to anyone who isn't firmly in the bubble already.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

Stultus Maximus posted:

It doesn't matter at all to anyone who isn't firmly in the bubble already.

Yeah this is basically in They're Gonna Say Some poo poo territory. The one really stupid thing is that WaPo and NYT chomped hard and published direct stenography of Donnie's swiftboater campaign manager and JD Vance's quotes. Which of course, doesn't help Donnie since JD's word is lousy and he was a combat correspondent.

I'm not aware of much push back from the Kamala campaign, so they're likely not worried about it. Walz will probably go all folksy in a presser later, or mention how lovely they're being by attacking a military record when he refuses to.

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mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Nap Ghost

stealie72 posted:

I know he's not the right kind of ARE TROOPS since he's a democrat, so I'm assuming this is bullshit, but:

On a level from "smoking crack laced with PCP" to "a dead to rights case in any court in the land" how big of a deal is it that Walz retired as a master sergeant because he didn't complete the coursework to be a command sergeant major despite serving as one.

This sounds like bullshit gotcha word parsing, but not sure how much it actually matters within the military/vets.

It would be weird on the active side where they do everything possible to avoid slotting a CSM until they’ve finished the course at the SMA and served a tour as an SGM.

But in the guard, it is common enough. I’ve also known plenty of people who served as O-6s but retired as O-5s based on time in grade, and they tend to highlight their O-6 grade, not their O-5 retirement. (Some officers pursue medical retirement to avoid the TIG requirement as O-6+ grades).

If someone really wanted to jump on his statements about military service, this line makes more sense.

WaPo posted:


On Wednesday, Walz also came under scrutiny for saying during a gubernatorial campaign event in 2018 that “we can make sure those weapons of war that I carried in war” are not on America’s streets. Walz did not serve in combat, according to the Minnesota Army National Guard,

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