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married but discreet
May 7, 2005




Taco Defender

There's at least one duplicate entry (Sergio Martino).

My vote is for the obligatory Wes Craven.

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STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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married but discreet posted:

There's at least one duplicate entry (Sergio Martino).
Hopefully that's an anomaly. He was part of a bunch I added late the other night so that's on me. No harm done though.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
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Grimey Drawer

Are we voting in a comment, or is there gonna be an actual formal vote for us to fill out?

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

Franchescanado posted:

Are we voting in a comment, or is there gonna be an actual formal vote for us to fill out?

I think there's gonna be an actual vote just like last time but STAC is waiting for the 8 automatic bids before posting the link for it.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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Yeah, I have a whole vote form ready to go just like last year. Just waiting to see which 8 nominees to take off the list.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment



Grimey Drawer

My vote is for Dario Argento.

married but discreet
May 7, 2005




Taco Defender

Argento I feel is going to really need that vote to survive - most of his best movies are out, his later output is absolutely dire and his early works are probably going to have a hard time with the anti-giallo fraction. He still has some absolute slappers of course but if he ends up with Stendhal Syndrome or some other vile poo poo he won't have my vote.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





My nod goes to Takashi Miike, I don't know what else he has in the tank, but he's a juggernaut and deserves the high seed.

Hopefully you all aren't going to break my heart again for being sensible. Do the right thing and vote Queer as in gently caress You, or I'll be sad (I'll get over it, and also be sad)

Debbie Does Dagon fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Dec 14, 2020

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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I think Argento probably would have made the pool even without the seed, but yeah its gonna be a tough road for him. We saw last time around that having a high seed doesn't really guarantee you much especially with these directors with large pools. And that's probably gonna be more random and tougher now that I'm counting all their films. If they're going up against a hand curated team they might be at the same basic disadvantage they had last time against the niche but selective directors.

What I'm saying is Wes is totally gonna draw My Soul To Take 1st round and be eliminated again.


Ok, I've PMed Burkion and Shreck since they're the last two and they haven't posted in this thread. I know Burk's around and aware. Shreck I'm not sure. If they don't respond to me by tonight I'll consider giving their spots to someone more active in here.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment



Grimey Drawer

married but discreet posted:

Argento I feel is going to really need that vote to survive - most of his best movies are out, his later output is absolutely dire and his early works are probably going to have a hard time with the anti-giallo fraction. He still has some absolute slappers of course but if he ends up with Stendhal Syndrome or some other vile poo poo he won't have my vote.

It was a hard decision, but I vouch for at least half of his films still in play, and two or three are favorites of mine.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



Looks like we've got a nice geographical setup again for the divisions:

America: Carpenter/Craven
Japan: Miike/Tsukamoto
Italy: Argento/Bava (again!)

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005

Nosferatu Enthusiast
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Sorry ya'll, was basically incommunicado the last few days, but I am here. And I am here to tell you Landon/Perkins is gonna take it all. Team Lankins getting that 1/2 seed:

STAC Goat posted:

Team “Dad Was Always Quiet”
Christoper Landon
Happy Death Day
Happy Death Day 2U
Scouts Guide to the Apocalypse
Paranormal Activity: The Marked Ones
Freaky

Oz Perkins
The Blackcoat’s Daughter
Gretel & Hansel
I Am The Pretty Thing That Lives in the House

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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God bless you for hilariously justifying the days I spent building hypothetical teams.

And glad to have you on board.

Just need Burkion now and I'll finalize and post the poll.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



I mean, is there much doubt who Burkion will choose?

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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Curveball!


That's 8. Here's your top seeds.

Debbie Does Dagon: Takashi Miike
TrixRabbi: Shinya Tsukamoto
Basebf555: Mario Bava
Franchescanado: Dario Argento
married but discreet: Wes Craven
Shrecknet: Team “Dad Was Always Quiet” (Christoper Landon & Oz Perkins)
Burkion: Agents Provocateur (Brian DePalma & Paul Verhoeven)
MacheteZombie: John Carpenter

That leaves 104 nominees we have to work down to 58. Jungle primary. You get up to 40 votes. When its all said and done we'll add them up, see who's in and where they seed, and figure out what we're doing with Play Ins. My thinking is that with 40 votes each it maybe gives us justification to ignore anyone who has 0 votes, especially since a lot of them were people I added automatically without being officially nominated. We'll see how that plays out but that means even if you think your favorite is a long shot it will be worth throwing them a vote. Even 1 vote might make the difference in giving them a chance.

I'll leave the poll open until Dec 26th so we can just go through Christmas and then figure out our final format the last week of December. I've left the poll open to edits so you can go back and change your picks over the next 10 days if you change your minds or someone wins you over. So vote, feel free to share it, the more the merrier. And here's a link to the Nominations spreadsheet so you can check movie lists for directors/teams you're unsure of.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rzRuxycZQQAkq1VjkgDyqTpmhrN_uVRSyk5d4D0I7Ig/edit?usp=sharing

And sorry that I'm even wordy in poll questions.

Vote: https://forms.gle/khghFmLAf2FzCaYt8

married but discreet
May 7, 2005




Taco Defender

Christ, this is hard. I want them all!

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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I was thinking "40 is too many" and then I just went through and picked everyone I liked just by name and figured I'd go back and check movies. Turns out I clicked 38 just by name.

edit: gently caress, that WAS hard. I had to make cuts.

STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Dec 15, 2020

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment



Grimey Drawer

Voted. Am proud.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

I'm at work and I was gonna kill a few minutes by voting but it's just too tough. I'm gonna need to sit down at home with a whiskey for this one.

married but discreet
May 7, 2005




Taco Defender

I'm tempted to not vote for anyone who I believe will get a nomination so I can support the more obscure entries.

You know what this poll needs to make it even more difficult? Ranked choice

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005

Nosferatu Enthusiast
@shrecknet



It really would be more convenient if you used the portmanteau of "Team Lankins" to save time and keyboard wear-and-tear.

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007





Basebf555 posted:

I'm at work and I was gonna kill a few minutes by voting but it's just too tough. I'm gonna need to sit down at home with a whiskey for this one.

Haha yeah I'm gunna get ginned up for voting. I'm gunna try to pick some stuff I wouldn't normally just to push my horizons.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





I voted. I favoured teams over directors just to keep a fresh and curated feel to the tournament

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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28 of my 40 were teams.

Also without giving anything away, 8 people have voted. No nominee has received 8 votes. 3 nominees have received 7 votes and only 2 of them are teams.

Also of the 10 nominees to get 0 votes 0 of them are teams.

So far I think the team experiment is a success.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

Changeman! And Not A Moment Too Soon!


Voting why no

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



I favored directors over teams but minimized directors who appeared in the previous tournament, although there's a few who I feel didn't get a fair shake last time who I'd like to see come back for another chance (Kiyoshi Kurosawa for one).

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009




That was harder than I thought it was going to be with 40 votes. Made some painful cuts based on a combination of desperation + already knowing I can't find half the films the team is putting up and my schedule these days doesn't really work for group streams (sorry Deb + porn, blame Carlos Atanes).

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Irony.or.Death posted:

That was harder than I thought it was going to be with 40 votes. Made some painful cuts based on a combination of desperation + already knowing I can't find half the films the team is putting up and my schedule these days doesn't really work for group streams (sorry Deb + porn, blame Carlos Atanes).

That's perfectly fair. I will say though that Atanes is the least explicit director on that list. I also put Salo on another team, I don't look forward to watching that again, let alone streaming it. Actually what am I saying, please vote for all of my teams, they're all perfect and irreproachable

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009




They'll only be beyond reproach once Maximum Shame is available on Shudder, make that happen and I'll give you...I guess Sergio's spot? I dunno. Like I said, this was tough.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

I made sure the full Hammer/Amicus Crew got my vote(Terence Fisher, Roy Ward Baker, Freddie Francis) and you should too.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



Oddly enough I've been thinking of rewatching Salo for awhile. Something something the rising tide of fascism.

Also I got a Pitch. STAC Goat -- What if, assuming there are any a the end of voting, one or two of the directors that received exactly Zero votes gets a slot in the play-ins? For a total wildcard we choose at random one of the directors nobody wanted. Alternatively, the director with the least amount of votes. The "Hey, Why Don't We Give 'em A Chance" competitor.

TrixRabbi fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Dec 16, 2020

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005

Nosferatu Enthusiast
@shrecknet



Saló is a stupid loving movie that basically accuses the italian people of not fighting hard enough against fascism and arrives at "its your own fault"

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



It's been a long time since I've seen it but I never got that sense from it. Honestly, the gross stuff wasn't what got to me, I have a strong enough stomach. I just find it an overwhelmingly sad film that exemplifies the powerlessness the victims of fascism endure.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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TrixRabbi posted:

Oddly enough I've been thinking of rewatching Salo for awhile. Something something the rising tide of fascism.

Also I got a Pitch. STAC Goat -- What if, assuming there are any a the end of voting, one or two of the directors that received exactly Zero votes gets a slot in the play-ins? For a total wildcard we choose at random one of the directors nobody wanted. Alternatively, the director with the least amount of votes. The "Hey, Why Don't We Give 'em A Chance" competitor.

I don't hate it. Something to keep in mind after Christmas.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment



Grimey Drawer

Shrecknet posted:

Saló is a stupid loving movie that basically accuses the italian people of not fighting hard enough against fascism and arrives at "its your own fault"

Respectfully, I have no idea how you came to this conclusion.


TrixRabbi posted:

It's been a long time since I've seen it but I never got that sense from it. Honestly, the gross stuff wasn't what got to me, I have a strong enough stomach. I just find it an overwhelmingly sad film that exemplifies the powerlessness the victims of fascism endure.

This is closer to my experience, although the Circle of poo poo did get to me.

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005

Nosferatu Enthusiast
@shrecknet



Franchescanado posted:

Respectfully, I have no idea how you came to this conclusion.
Because that's what he loving said?

Paolo Pausilini posted:

“Fascism . . . had not been capable of even scratching the soul of the Italian people; this new Fascism {he means decadent Italian life in the 70s, televisions and mass media}, armed with new means of communication and information . . . has not only scratched the soul of the Italian people but has lacerated, raped, and besmirched it forever.”
Sure sounds like he's saying how weak the lumpenprole are

Roberto Chisei, writing for the Criterion Collection posted:

It is the story of choosing a group of young people, at first from among the victims, and then atrociously eliminating those who do not, or cannot, submit to the codes stipulated in the regulations, that is to say, to the “laws that shall rule your life in here,”
I'm not pulling it out of thin air, it's a valid and acknowledged reading.

I'm not passing a value judgement on Pausilini or Salo, just saying what I got out of it is it felt like a movie chastising the victims of fascism (everyday Italians) for not fighting back harder, for acquiescing.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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20 have voted.

Its been interesting. There's been some surprising results, both in the poll questions and in who is racking up the votes and who is trailing behind. Most interesting to me is that there's only 1 nominee with 16 votes and no one with more. The total votes are also spread across 100 of the 104 possible candidates. So tough luck for those 4, but its a real wide spread of votes. So much for that idea where I could just eliminate anyone who has 0 votes from the Play Ins and make that easy.

There's a weird outlier of 4 votes marked "Other." I can't figure out what that's about. There is no "Other" option from what I and another could tell. I went through the ballots and there was no "Other" marked. I checked the nominees with odd characters like emojis but their votes seem to match. If it's an issue when this is over I can audit all the ballots and hand count or something. But it also strikes me that maybe 4 people with 0 votes and 4 Other votes isn't a coincidence. I'm not sure how that explains where there were 3 yesterday... but I guess if it doesn't go up to 5 that might be the answer. I dunno. We'll see.

I still intend to keep it open until Christmas. I doubt we're in any rush to start this through the holidays. I'll pimp it around a little and feel free to do the same. The more the merrier.

married but discreet
May 7, 2005




Taco Defender

I say we make an "Other" team where a movie is drawn randomly from all the leftovers.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

married but discreet posted:

I say we make an "Other" team where a movie is drawn randomly from all the leftovers.

I like this idea

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Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
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Grimey Drawer

married but discreet posted:

I say we make an "Other" team where a movie is drawn randomly from all the leftovers.

Basebf555 posted:

I like this idea

We can call it the Crab Bucket spot.

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