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Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

Franchescanado posted:

We can call it the Crab Bucket spot.

What about something more horror themed, like "The Void". You never know what's gonna emerge from The Void!

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Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment



Grimey Drawer

Basebf555 posted:

What about something more horror themed, like "The Void". You never know what's gonna emerge from The Void!

Crabs are horror!




I like The Void, too. It's a fun concept, no matter the name.

married but discreet
May 7, 2005




Taco Defender

Franchescanado posted:

Crabs are horror!




I like The Void, too. It's a fun concept, no matter the name.

Ah god can someone make that crab into an avatar? I guess it's time to donate some money to the forums.

Spatulater bro!
Aug 19, 2003

Punch! Punch! Punch!



married but discreet posted:

Ah god can someone make that crab into an avatar? I guess it's time to donate some money to the forums.



Edit: Option 2 if you don't need it to be square:

Spatulater bro! fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Dec 17, 2020

married but discreet
May 7, 2005




Taco Defender

Sickkk, thanks!

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



Goddamn that is a good av

WeaponX
Jul 28, 2008




That crab is high af

married but discreet
May 7, 2005




Taco Defender

The movie, btw, is wild. 1h, absolutely nutso plot, crabs look exactly as advertised, highly recommended.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



Oh yeah, I can vouch for Attack of the Crab Monsters. Good poo poo, vote for Corman and maybe it will get to duke it out in this tournament.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

Was thinking about crab monsters and how the Harryhausen film Mysterious Island has a great giant crab scene. Anyway it occurred to me that Harryhausen should've been included in this but I guess we just don't think of him as a horror director(and he wasn't even a director, his place in film history is pretty unique). But he's certainly a monster/creature guy.

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007





Basebf555 posted:

Was thinking about crab monsters and how the Harryhausen film Mysterious Island has a great giant crab scene. Anyway it occurred to me that Harryhausen should've been included in this but I guess we just don't think of him as a horror director(and he wasn't even a director, his place in film history is pretty unique). But he's certainly a monster/creature guy.

I watched Mysterious Island not too long ago and it was an absolute blast. Along with all the other cool designs I really liked the diving suits.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

MacheteZombie posted:

I watched Mysterious Island not too long ago and it was an absolute blast. Along with all the other cool designs I really liked the diving suits.

Yea for anyone who hasn't seen it, this is a movie full of Harryhausen monsters where in the second half of the movie the heroes have an undersea adventure with none other than Captain Nemo. Need I say more?

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007





Basebf555 posted:

Yea for anyone who hasn't seen it, this is a movie full of Harryhausen monsters where in the second half of the movie the heroes have an undersea adventure with none other than Captain Nemo. Need I say more?

It also opens with a civil war air ballooning scene

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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I gotta admit, I've been running some math on Play Ins and Schedules and The Void/Crab Bucket would solve some problems. I have a working theory but its not worth putting out there until we have the final vote tallies. The numbers can still change.

How about a little fun? I set up the bracket and grouped the 1/2 seeds as everyone expected. Carpenter/Craven, Argento/Bava, Miike/Tsukamoto, and Agents Provocateur/Team "Lankins". I dubbed the Carpenter/Craven branch the "American Slasher Division" and split it between Hadonfield and Woodsboro. I dubbed the Argento/Bava branch the "Giallo Division" and split between Freiburg and Moldovia. Haven't figured the other two out yet. I'm open to change. Thoughts? Ideas? Just trying to have some fun while we wait.

I also worked out the theoretical schedules for the 3 format options in the poll. I went with the idea of 2 weeks of Play Ins but that obviously could change depending on what we decide. The gist is that 8 films in 7 days would finish up just around May, 4 in 7 days would go through August, and 8 in 10 days would go into June. I just thought that might be useful to see if anyone is unsure about their vote.

I dunno. I have a hard time sitting still.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rzRuxycZQQAkq1VjkgDyqTpmhrN_uVRSyk5d4D0I7Ig/edit#gid=590551869

STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Dec 18, 2020

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





I love your bracket colour schemes, they're so pretty

M_Sinistrari
Sep 5, 2008

Do you like scary movies?





Basebf555 posted:

Was thinking about crab monsters and how the Harryhausen film Mysterious Island has a great giant crab scene. Anyway it occurred to me that Harryhausen should've been included in this but I guess we just don't think of him as a horror director(and he wasn't even a director, his place in film history is pretty unique). But he's certainly a monster/creature guy.

Sounds like we'll need to work on a Special Effects Maestro bracket at some point.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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Divisions named (until someone comes up with something better).

Tokyo Conference: #1 Takashi Miike in the Champions Division, #2 Shinya Tsukamoto in the Rookies Division.
Doubles Conference: #1 Agents Provocateur (Brian DePalma & Paul Verhoeven) in the Disco & Dystopia Division, #2 Team Lankins (Christopher Landon and Oz Perkins) in the Prairie & Psychos Division.
Italian Conference: #1 Dario Argentio in Giallo Division, #2 Mario Bava in Gothic Division.
American Slasher Conference: #1 John Carpenter in Haddonfield Division, #2 Wes Craven in Hillsboro Division.

If you got something better lay it on me.

They're just names, although maybe we'll use them to settle tiebreakers when it comes to seeding. But I'm not gonna automatically put every Italian film in one division. That would be unfair/less fun IMO.


M_Sinistrari posted:

Sounds like we'll need to work on a Special Effects Maestro bracket at some point.

If we had thought of it when we started I would have suggested a looser creative category than "Director". Just "Artists" or something. Directors, writers, producers, special effects, actors. Probably could have made for more fun team building and creativity. I just went with the Director thing since it felt like the easiest way to structure this without turning it into "build your own super team" or limiting the wide diversity of films. That probably would have worked just as well.

There's always next year.

STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Dec 18, 2020

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005

Nosferatu Enthusiast
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STAC Goat posted:

American Slasher Conference: #1 John Carpenter in Haddonfield Division, #2 Wes Craven in Hillsboro Division.
Should be Haddonfield/Springwood instead so there's letter difference in the name. Also lol at Hillsboro being more iconic than Springwood.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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It was two things.

1) I couldn't remember the town in Elm Street off the top of my head.
2) Letterboxd listened Scream as his most popular. Which I found odd and made me question the people of Letterboxd.

Division now Springwood.

EDIT: Also I just remember Miike lost the last one so "Champions" Division changed to "Veterans." I still don't really like that but can't think of better. I'm unfamiliar with the directors.

STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Dec 19, 2020

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!



Miike won his division! He's a champion.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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Ok, fair. Champions again.

I'm a pushover.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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I've had a rough couple of days. I'm hopeful things are getting better but just in case I gave Deb editing access to the spreadsheet. She'll probably be streaming for us and involved in this anyway but if something does happen I trust her to figure out the next step. But knock on wood, I'll be here at Christmas to get the ball rolling.

4 more days to vote. Pimp it out to your friends and family. 2020 was a tough one but one good thing it brought us was this fun movie club. So I for one am jacked to kick 2021 off with a new exciting round. But first we gotta vote.

https://forms.gle/a3QguP4rHQLRvS4A9

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





I feel truly honoured to have your trust, and rest assured, in the event of anything happening, which I hope from the bottom of my heart that it won't, this tournament will be a complete shambles under my reign, but it will continue nonetheless.

married but discreet
May 7, 2005




Taco Defender

Don't put too much pressure on yourself STAC - you're doing a great job, and it's not like you have the horror thread shareholders clamoring for an early start to the tournament. We all know it's a lot of work, and if real life issues are in the way don't feel bad for postponing.

Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out



married but discreet posted:

Don't put too much pressure on yourself STAC - you're doing a great job, and it's not like you have the horror thread shareholders clamoring for an early start to the tournament. We all know it's a lot of work, and if real life issues are in the way don't feel bad for postponing.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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Thank you for your kind words. Things are looking better. Fingers crossed, knock on wood, all of that. Today I feel more like myself and my life feels more stable and back to normal and like I'll be able to do this. Hopefully it stays that way.

And Merry Christmas! You might have run out of time for your Christmas shopping but you have one day left to make your votes for the 2021 Spook-A-Doodle Horror Bracketology. We'll be starting Jan 1st (life changing events allowing) but votes lock up Dec 26th. So if you haven't gotten them in yet now's your chance, and if you've had second thoughts on something now's your last chance to change it up.

https://forms.gle/a3QguP4rHQLRvS4A9

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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Voting is now closed. I'll work on results as I wake up.

I'll tell you my first looks. There are 51 nominees with 8+ votes. That fills 59 of 64 spots. There are 15 nominees with 8 votes. So if my brain is working right that means 5 3-ways play ins for those last 5 slots. But I'll figure that all out when I wake up.

I'll also reveal the #1 vote getter with 21 votes on 77.8% of ballots... George Romero! That top spot traded with a bunch of people the whole time but Romero made a late charge.

Ok, I'm gonna find coffee and food and then you'll hear more later.

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005

Nosferatu Enthusiast
@shrecknet



How is Romero expected to win when he cant use his best movies?

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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Its a long shot but he still has Night, Creepshow, and the Crazies so I don't think he's drawing dead. He's also got a relatively small catalogue compared to some of his fellow "Masters of Horror" so that might help his odds of drawing a good film vs a bad.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

Romero isn't gonna have a #1 or #2 seed though, which feels appropriate given the lineup he has left. But yea he's definitely got potential to go deep in the tournament if the draws go a certain way.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





I would like to thank the seventeen of you who voted for Queer as in gently caress You, and I would like to question what the eleven of you who voted for Team Deb Tricks You Into Watching Porn were thinking.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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I was one of the 17 and not one of the 11. Because like... its right there in the name. It was a trick!

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

Yea I belong to a porn discussion club on a totally different forum and it's important to keep those two worlds separate.

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





Basebf555 posted:

Yea I belong to a porn discussion club on a totally different forum and it's important to keep those two worlds separate.

My DMs are open, just saying. Don't bogart the hot porn forum

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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Ok, lets break things down a little

Rules


The “redrawing a hard to find film” rule change proved uncontroversial. Only 3 people out of 27 didn’t like it. Sorry guys. The “run the original if the sequel is drawn” rule proved much more divisive. While I could claim a victory for it on the numbers it seems clear the group is pretty evenly divided on it. So I’ll tread softly with it and be very open. If people think its being applied unfairly to help or hurt a nominee I’ll relent. My only intention was to eliminate a situation where some crazy person like me might feel compelled to watch a bunch of movies to be caught up. But we’ll see how it goes. Right now with the way the Format rules went I’m leaning towards not using it all since we’ll have more time to watch stuff.


Format


These results surprised me a bit. The field was near universal in wanting us to be “slow and methodical” with things with just 4 people preferring “fast and ruthless.” And much to my surprise the plurality of votes went for “4 movies in 7 days”. With 48% of the field preferring that and another 26% voting for 8 in 10 days its clear the majority wants less films over more time. So I guess we’re doing 4 films a week. By my math that should take us into late August which might actually be kind of perfect since it means we’ll finish up with a month to chill before October. It makes this a whole year project but hey, why not? It certainly relieves the pressure of trying to fit in 8 films in 7 days.


Everyone also prefers a middle ground on the Play Ins. I probably worded that question terribly. I apologize for that. But the message seems relatively clear. We’re willing to take some time but we don’t want to drag it out too much. And I think the math actually works out perfectly for that. I kept trying to game out what the Play Ins would look like and how I’d seed and it kept changing dramatically. A couple of days ago I thought we were gonna have to run 7 1vs1, 1 3way, and have 4 wildcard slots. It was crazy. The final results were actually the cleanest I’ve seen. What we ended up with was 51 nominees with 9 or more votes and 15 with 8 votes. That math sets up for a clean 5 Play In spots for the 60th-64th spots in 3 ways. I think the best way to do that would be 2 a week so we don’t string it out so 6 films in 2 matchups Jan 1st, 6 in 2 Jan 8th, and then the last 3 in 1 Jan 15th. Then we’ll start our true tourney with 4 films a week in Jan 22nd. Does that sound good?


Seeds
There were 27 voters. The last ballot was submitted at 11:54 PM, 6 minutes before the official deadline (although 8 hours before I actually woke up and locked it). No one made all of the ballots with Romero coming closest at 21. There were big jumps this whole time Fulci, Hooper, Dante, Team David, and for a time Queer As In gently caress You as the top vote getter. A lot of diversity of ballots meant a lot of changes.

I’m working on the full brackets. If you want to sneak ahead you can find the full vote counts and seeds on the Spreadsheet. When it came to seeds I simply used a random number generator to break ties.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rzRuxycZQQAkq1VjkgDyqTpmhrN_uVRSyk5d4D0I7Ig/edit#gid=0

Also, there’s 5 votes marked “Other” and I don’t know what the gently caress that is. For awhile I was thinking it was nominees with 0 votes since it was holding at 4 and there were 4 with 0. But last night it moved to 5 with still just 4 0s. So I dunno. Maybe there’s a 5th person with 1 vote? Maybe the Google algorithm just recognizes that as statistically insignificant and groups it all together? If people think its really an issue I’ll do a full audit but I rather not because that sucks. And all the weird character entries that might have been hurt by it are in. So I dunno. If you mind tell me.


Not bad considering I still haven’t had my breakfast or coffee. But also I gotta go exchange some presents. So I’ll be back.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

LOL I just saw that Mick Garris got zero votes. A big fat zero.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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I think he may have been my 41st. Sad, sad lack of a pity vote.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

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We have a bracket!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rzRuxycZQQAkq1VjkgDyqTpmhrN_uVRSyk5d4D0I7Ig/edit?usp=sharing



Everything was done completely without bias. I started playing around with matchups but was convinced to entire randomize it. There’s some I love and some I don’t but its all on the up and up. I simply drew random numbers and lined them up.

Tokyo Conference / Doubles Conference


Italian Conference / American Slasher Conference



We’ve got 5 three-way Play In matchups to fill the last 5 slots of the tournament (of everyone who got 8 votes). Since we said we wanted to do 4 films a week and 2-4 weeks of Play Ins tops I think the best approach is the 1 15 seed matchup of 3 films Week 1 and then 2 3-ways for 6 films a week in Weeks 2 and 3. So this would be our schedule theoretically.

January 1st - 7th:
Italy #15 Seed: Mary Lambert vs. Ruggero Deodato vs. STAC Goat's Radio Silence (Joe Swanberg, Matt Bettinelli-Olpin, Glenn McQuaid, Tyler Gillett, Justin Martinez, and Chad Villella)

Jan 8th - 14th
Tokyo #16 Seed: Franchescanado’s Team Vulgær (Gaspar Noe & Lars Von Trier) vs. Charles Band vs. married but discreet’s Top Giallo Schmorgasboard (Aldo Lado, Duccio Tessari, & Giulio Questi)
Doubles #16 Seed: Tarnop's Predation (Jonathan Glazer, Tomas Alfredson, David Robert Mitchell, Michael Powell, Gerald Kargl, and Alice Lowe) vs. married but discreet's Giallo B Team (Emilio Miraglia & Massimo Dallamano) vs. M. Night Shyamalan

Jan 15th - 21st
Italy #16 Seed: TrixRabbi's Andrzej Żuławski & Other Poles (Jerzy Kawalerowicz) vs. Debbie Does Dagon's Silent Scream (FW Murnau, Robert Wiene, & Teinosuke Kinugasa) vs. STAC Goat's In Russia Doodle Spook You (Egor Abramenko, Georgiy Kropachyov, Konstantin Ershov, & Svyatoslav Podgaevsky)
American Slasher #16 Seed: STAC Goat's Block Party (Joe Cornish, Oz Rodriguez, Ernest R. Dickerson, & Austin Vesely) vs. Tarnop's Lost & Found (Erik Kristopher Myers, Elliot Goldner, Phil Guidry, Simon Herbert, and David Whelan, Zachary Donohue, Joel Anderson, & Christopher MacBride) vs. Steven Spielberg

Jan 22nd - 28th
Field of 64 Begins

What do we think?

STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Dec 27, 2020

Debbie Does Dagon
Jul 8, 2005





That's all great work! You should really be proud. This all looks like it's going to be an amazingly fun and hard-fought tournament. I'm also looking forward to swatting Larry Cohen out in the first round.

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Tarnop
Nov 25, 2013

Pull me out



Excited for this. There's some great match-ups already

e: if we get Evil Bong vs Antichrist in the play-ins I'll be so happy

Tarnop fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Dec 26, 2020

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