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Evil is really good and their other show The Good Fight is also going to the Paramount streaming service. I think CBS is trying to keep the husband/wife team happy.
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https://twitter.com/JeremyMonjo/status/1394405012147621889?s=19
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lmao ah yes, Tina Fey’s classic problematic past
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The funny thing about the article is that it's basically about how Liz Lemon wasn't a girlboss.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:This does nothing to dissuade me from the idea that Harmon is the insufferable half of the Rick and Morty formula. Dude, I watched all of Solar opposites and my biggest takeaway was wow, Justin is the stronger part by far
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Milo and POTUS posted:Dude, I watched all of Solar opposites and my biggest takeaway was wow, Justin is the stronger part by far Extremely ![]() Play Trover Saves the Universe if you haven’t, whenever he gets to do sci fi comedy stuff without Harmon it’s gold.
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Yeah but Roiland hangs out with people like Pewdiepie and Elon Musk so he’s also a dickhead
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Musk showing up in Rick & Morty and them making a bunch of really lame Elon Tusk jokes is definitely the nadir of that show (so far)
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There’s an alien making a “why doesn’t everyone speak English” joke in the first season of that show, do you think that was ad-libbed or written?
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I think you guys are too deontological in your TV opinions sometimes.
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I got a word of the day calendar.
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Community is better than Rick and Morty anyway
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Lurdiak posted:Is this a dig at The Wire, because if you think The Wire is copaganda I feel like you've not actually watched it. pentyne posted:the entire point of The Wire is that the policing system is completely broken and crime solving is practically an unintended side effect hth When Freddie Gray was murdered by Baltimore police, David Simon told rioters to go home. gently caress The Wire. Edit for clarification: The Wire exists in the West Wing universe. Slamhound fucked around with this message at 14:05 on May 18, 2021 |
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Manichean that's another word of hte day
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Slamhound posted:The Wire is absolutely copaganda and the entire point is that individual cops can’t be held responsible for the system and when individual cops are at fault the you have to trust the system. I have no idea how you can watch that show and think that at any point it says that you have to trust the system Edit: I think there's a conversation to be had about whether or not it's interested in any kind of solution, and whether or not every cop inside the system is culpable, but comparing it to the West Wing is way off the mark. Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 14:11 on May 18, 2021 |
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Slamhound posted:The Wire is absolutely copaganda and the entire point is that individual cops can’t be held responsible for the system and when individual cops are at fault the you have to trust the system. An unbelievably horrible take. One of the worst I’ve seen in this subforum David Simon should stop tweeting though
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zoux posted:I got a word of the day calendar. Good, philosophy words (for lack of a better description) are useful. I like Rick and Morty, I love Community, and I will give a chance to anything associated with Harmon or Roiland. Sometimes terrible people make good shows.
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The great thing about living in the Age of Content is that if a creator is lovely, you can just watch something else. Not that you have to, but there's enough very good stuff out there that missing out on a show or two if you choose not to support a problematic artist isn't actually a big deal. Don't want to watch The Nevers? There's a bunch of decent shows with fairly similar premises! Don't want to watch Rick & Morty? There's a bunch of decent shows with fairly similar premises! It doesn't always apply, but more or less it's pretty easy to just fill the hole with something else.
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Escobarbarian posted:David Simon should stop tweeting though ![]()
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feedmyleg posted:The great thing about living in the Age of Content is that if a creator is lovely, you can just watch something else. Not that you have to, but there's enough very good stuff out there that missing out on a show or two if you choose not to support a problematic artist isn't actually a big deal. Don't want to watch The Nevers? There's a bunch of decent shows with fairly similar premises! Don't want to watch Rick & Morty? There's a bunch of decent shows with fairly similar premises! It doesn't always apply, but more or less it's pretty easy to just fill the hole with something else. Every single show every made has some piece of poo poo working on it, it's insane to conduct full ethical background checks on cast and crews before you allow yourself to watch a show. I don't even get what the point is, besides some kind of modern religious self-mortification.
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zoux posted:Every single show every made has some piece of poo poo working on it, it's insane to conduct full ethical background checks on cast and crews before you allow yourself to watch a show. I don't even get what the point is, besides some kind of modern religious self-mortification. People like to feel as though they have some measure of control over the world.
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Everyone has their own lines concerning lovely people making good media.
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Hakkesshu posted:I have no idea how you can watch that show and think that at any point it says that you have to trust the system Blaming “The System” is exactly how the cops who are the system excuse their murderous behavior. I’m glad you realize The West Wing is poo poo, but it is absolutely in the same universe. Escobarbarian posted:An unbelievably horrible take. One of the worst I’ve seen in this subforum Has he said something that would show that he’s part of the very system he claims to oppose? Like maybe telling the people of Baltimore that they should stop objecting to the murderous cops who murder black people? Like telling people they should go home instead of objecting to when a bunch of cops murder a guy in a nickel ride?
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Escobarbarian posted:Community is better than Rick and Morty anyway I mean, some of Community is better than Rick and Morty. I recently rewatched the series and drat it’s even more up and down than I remember. Enough that the end of the third season and most of the fourth season are about equally terrible.
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Hawkperson posted:I mean, some of Community is better than Rick and Morty. I recently rewatched the series and drat it’s even more up and down than I remember. Enough that the end of the third season and most of the fourth season are about equally terrible. ![]()
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Any episode of Community with Chevy Chase is canceled.
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zoux posted:Every single show every made has some piece of poo poo working on it, it's insane to conduct full ethical background checks on cast and crews before you allow yourself to watch a show. I don't even get what the point is, besides some kind of modern religious self-mortification. To me it's different when it's the creator that's the shithead, because their POV is so inherent to the output. I don't want to watch Woody Allen's movies because they're all expressions of his views on life and I have no interest in what he thinks about romance. I don't want to watch Joss Whedon's stuff because it's all expressions about his views on strong women and I have no interest in what he thinks about feminism. Like I said, you don't have to choose not to engage with that stuff, but if you do choose not to you'll very likely have other options that fit the bill.
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feedmyleg posted:To me it's different when it's the creator that's the shithead, because their POV is so inherent to the output. I don't want to watch Woody Allen's movies because they're all expressions of his views on life and I have no interest in what he thinks about romance. I don't want to watch Joss Whedon's stuff because it's all expressions about his views on strong women and I have no interest in what he thinks about feminism. Like I said, you don't have to choose not to engage with that stuff, but if you do choose not to you'll very likely have other options that fit the bill. Fair enough.
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It's an easy call to make because Woody Allen movies are all terrible
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Slamhound posted:The cops are the system. How does that escape you? Does every cop have to be culpable before they’re considered bad? I'm not gonna argue about politics with you in this TVIV thread, but the show does not depict the system as anything less than completely busted, nor does it excuse the actions of any bad actors in there - the cops aren't the system, they are one part of it, and any good intentions in there are constantly quashed by how busted everything is, to the point where one of the main characters has to invent a serial killer to get anyone to care about actual murders. It's also worth noting the clear distinction between homicide detectives and beat cops, which is also something that is a core part of showing how busted the system is. No, it doesn't really suggest that abolition should be the ultimate goal, but calling it copaganda is absurd. Nothing is solved by giving an impassioned speech and appealing to intelligence like what constantly happens in West Wing. Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 15:33 on May 18, 2021 |
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Simone Magus posted:It's an easy call to make because Woody Allen movies are all terrible Yes, the better example in that area is maybe Roman Polanski? Anyway, it probably is true that there's some awful people working on everything of any real scale. I don't know what we do about that other then figure out where our personal line is.
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Hakkesshu posted:I'm not gonna argue about politics with you in this TVIV thread, but the show does not depict the system as anything less than completely busted, nor does it excuse the actions of any bad actors in there - the cops aren't the system, they are one part of it, and any good intentions in there are constantly quashed by how busted everything is, to the point where one of the main characters has to invent a serial killer to get anyone to care about actual murders. It's also worth noting the clear distinction between homicide detectives and beat cops, which is also something that is a core part of showing how busted the system is. No, it doesn't really suggest that abolition should be the ultimate goal, but calling it copaganda is absurd. Claiming that The System is busted is a major feature of copaganda. It allows individual cops to do “whatever it takes” to get the job done. Things like inventing a serial killer. But it’s not their fault, it’s The System. Differentiating between detectives and beat cops is another sleight-of-hand that allows you to both blames cops and absolve cops. Which of them is The System? Whichever one you want. Why would a clear distinction between the two even matter unless you’re trying to show that one of them is busted? And as far as impassioned West Wing speeches is concerned, Hamsterdam is the liberal embodiment of “Let’s try this so long as it proves that we shouldn’t have tried this.” An impassioned speech that comes to nothing.
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This is what Simon said in the middle of rioting over Freddie Gray's death quote:But now — in this moment — the anger and the selfishness and the brutality of those claiming the right to violence in Freddie Gray’s name needs to cease. There was real power and potential in the peaceful protests that spoke in Mr. Gray’s name initially, and there was real unity at his homegoing today. But this, now, in the streets, is an affront to that man’s memory and a dimunition of the absolute moral lesson that underlies his unnecessary death. This was also echoed by Gray's family by the way. So gently caress them too I guess. Essentially the point is that riots are used for justification to not give people what they're asking for. https://twitter.com/AoDespair/status/1141552995563462656?s=19
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Slamhound posted:
Hamsterdam is presented as an alternative to War on Drugs policing, and it gets shut down despite showing good results because of PR. You have actually seen the Wire yes?
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Slamhound posted:Not wanting to argue about politics while taking about The Wire is absolute bullshit. ???? How does it absolve anyone? I just said they are a part of the system, but the point is that all the different groups don't have the same agency within it. There are people trying to make it better, but they can't - is your point is that every single character should be portrayed as a murderous racist just because they are police? No one does whatever it takes to get the job done because the job isn't loving done by the end of that series. Hamsterdam doesn't fail because it's a bad idea, it fails because the system doesn't allow for its existence. You are extremely good at making it seem as if you have not watched this show at all.
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Slamhound posted:Claiming that The System is busted is a major feature of copaganda. It allows individual cops to do “whatever it takes” to get the job done. Things like inventing a serial killer. But it’s not their fault, it’s The System. Have you ever actually watched the show, or just read recaps of it? Cos this interpretation makes sense if you only read a story outline, but not if you actually watched the episodes
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hahaha we’re all on the same wavelength here
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Uh, McNulty should’ve went to jail for the poo poo he pulled with the serial killer stuff, and the show never denies this.
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Let's talk about some serious crimes against humanity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EGVP-CZPWs
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ruddiger posted:Uh, McNulty should’ve went to jail for the poo poo he pulled with the serial killer stuff, and the show never denies this. It also shows that McNulty's actions caused real harm as it inspired someone to commit real murders. McNulty "doing whatever it takes" is 100% presented as bad a thing.
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