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DaveKap
Feb 5, 2006

Pickle: Inspected.



Cojawfee posted:

Even though I know it will be funny, I still can't watch those videos because of how cringe they are.
Just letting you know you are not alone in this. Once I realized it was just the energy vampire being an energy vampire as a prank on local news channels I had to shut it off.

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Hawkperson
Jun 20, 2003

feedmyleg posted:

Oh well. I was excited about it when it first went into production with all that talent attached, but then they left one by one. Then the previews looked too dour and reviews were middling at best, especially because I'm weary of any apocalypse stuff from pandemic fatigue. No big loss, especially with Creamerie around as a lighthearted replacement when I'm in that headspace. Would've been nice to see the ending pulled off in live action, though. Parts of the comic may not have aged well, but that ending is still great. The astronaut reveal could've been cool to see realized well, too.

I agree with all of this even the Creamerie part, but at the same time lol at Creamerie being “lighthearted,” that show hosed me up.

Also, I need more of it right now

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Creamerie is lighthearted the same way Jojo Rabbit is. Must be a New Zealand thing where they want you to laugh and be furious at the same time.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993
first time rewatching 30 Rock after first watching it 2 years ago and oh my god there's so many jokes I never noticed the first time through

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Aardvark! posted:

first time rewatching 30 Rock after first watching it 2 years ago and oh my god there's so many jokes I never noticed the first time through

Same here, though for me it's the first time rewatching it since the show ended... almost a decade ago? Dang.

Also I remember the first season being a much longer slog than it was, the show really finds its footing within a few episodes.

Honestly rewatching it I think 30 Rock was by far the best of the NBC aughts comedies.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Hawkperson posted:

I agree with all of this even the Creamerie part, but at the same time lol at Creamerie being “lighthearted,” that show hosed me up.

Also, I need more of it right now

Yeah I really need that show to be renewed.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

Chairman Capone posted:

Same here, though for me it's the first time rewatching it since the show ended... almost a decade ago? Dang.

Also I remember the first season being a much longer slog than it was, the show really finds its footing within a few episodes.

Honestly rewatching it I think 30 Rock was by far the best of the NBC aughts comedies.

I was surprised too, the first like, hand full of episodes was slightly worse than normal basically and here in the back end of s1 it feels like it could be any season

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

Aardvark! posted:

first time rewatching 30 Rock after first watching it 2 years ago and oh my god there's so many jokes I never noticed the first time through

She said she had to take a spa week at Canyon Ranch before my dad broke it in half. I'm not supposed to hear that. I'm a child!

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!

Aardvark! posted:

first time rewatching 30 Rock after first watching it 2 years ago and oh my god there's so many jokes I never noticed the first time through

Every rewatch gives me more appreciation for Jane Krakowski.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Freshly Squeezed
I think Y: The Last Man is decent so far, but Yorick spent the first five episodes or so acting like a child with a tempter tantrum. The white house politics just aren't interesting enough to devote a third of the runtime to, and as interesting as the sex/gender debate is in a society like this, Hero just isn't particularly likeable either.

So we are 7 episodes into a 10 episode season, nothing of note has happened so far and the main characters just aren't that interesting. That's one of the problems with these shorter seasons, we get a third or half of a normal season, but the pacing is the same so there is a lot less character development.

Slamhound
Mar 27, 2010
2000 SciFi Dune remains the best Dune.


Lord deliver us from "Visualists."

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

I can forgive the matte painting backgrounds since it's a classic hollywood thing but the costumes were so awful. They looked like they were designed by kids.

Mu Zeta fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Oct 18, 2021

Chubby Henparty
Aug 13, 2007


Hmm, so apparently I managed to watch episode four of Foundation first (then two and three). It seemed like a really good prestige-tv-premier, leading off with apprent tortured protagonist Dawn jumping out the window, the Vault etc and introducing lots of stuff without needing to explain it, before skipping backwards and leading up to that point. So now I'm back at ep1 and it seems like a whole lot of unnecessary exposition :(

^^vv can't fault Irulan's butterfly costume

Chubby Henparty fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Oct 18, 2021

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

Pork Pro

Mu Zeta posted:

I can forgive the matte painting backgrounds since it's a classic hollywood thing but the costumes were so awful. They looked like they were designed by kids.



Counterpoint: that is amazing costuming and set design for a made-for-tv film produced Before The War.

I just rewatched the whole thing on Youtube during a particularly uneventful weekend and I really think the best thing Dennis can hope for is a very pretty version of this adaptation...

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
It's not even really bad costume design, it's bad costume execution. It reminds me a bit of Jack Kirby's designs for the Julius Caesar stage production:



Which look cool on paper, but would need a very talented team to pull off in the real world, as you can see with the cheapish looking costumes in execution:



But a good version of the same concept is:

feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Oct 18, 2021

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I think Irulan's outfit there is pretty good. But I also think the costuming in Children of Dune was better than the first miniseries.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Mu Zeta posted:

I can forgive the matte painting backgrounds since it's a classic hollywood thing but the costumes were so awful. They looked like they were designed by kids.



I'm not crazy about that lady's hat, but everything else visible here is pretty baller. and actually the hat owns. the more i try to articulate why it sucks, the more I like it -- cool hat!

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Khanstant posted:

I'm not crazy about that lady's hat, but everything else visible here is pretty baller. and actually the hat owns. the more i try to articulate why it sucks, the more I like it -- cool hat!

I dunno, Matt Keeslar's extreme v-neck is a clear fashion disaster.

AARD VARKMAN
May 17, 1993

Open Source Idiom posted:

I dunno, Matt Keeslar's extreme v-neck is a clear fashion disaster.

nothing wrong with that

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


So, if "Y: The Last Man" is cancelled already, why keep up with the pretense of week to week release on Hulu?

It's not like they have advertisers to consider in specific timeslots.

Just dump the rest of the episodes out there so people can complete the season if they want.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Yeah, I'm done watching it since they already said it'll end on a cliff hanger.

Metropolis
Apr 6, 2006
I watched 3 episodes of Y: The Last Man and dropped it because most of the main characters were crappy people. And it looked like they were about to introduce another one as another antagonist out to try to ruin a world that was already ruined. I didn't feel like watching that happen. It's weird watching these huge budget shows fizzle out when all the people who really cared about it and would have made it work have left the project before it even gets going. It's like if there's enough momentum they'll just keep making it even if nobody is impressed by how good it is turning out.

I kinda wonder if Foundation will turn out the same way, For a show based on novels that span centuries/millennia sometimes within one or two chapters, they sure are taking their sweet time. But aside from the obvious SFX budget and being based on popular-ish IP I feel like the show hasn't been doing a lot to grab people. Mysteries are set up only for the answer to be exactly what you'd think. Or for the answer to seem so far off that it doesn't matter. They opened the most recent episode with a super long flashback telling us stuff we mostly already know. They set up a big dramatic twist at the end of ep 2 only to cut away from the aftermath, making it feel like there wasn't much payoff/fallout for those dramatic events.

It could get better (and it's not currently *bad*) over time, but will the high budget allow that time? It feels kinda like they're taking the approach to blockbuster movies of "people will go see it if it's a big dumb high budget movie based on popular IP' but while that might get people's asses in theater seats for a few hours are they gonna subscribe to Apple for it? They could probably produce several shows that are still high-budget for the same price.

I watched S3 of You, it was pretty fun. Different enough from previous seasons when I was worried it would retread the same ground too much.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
Foundation is a mess. It happens to be a pretty mess with lots of space ships, though, so I'll keep watching, but it's stuck between trying to adapt the books and trying to do its own thing and ends up pulling neither off well. There's enough good ideas and so many glimmers of greatness throughout, but it's a show with unmedicated ADHD that can't seem to get its thoughts in order or stick with one thing long enough to be functional.

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

The flashback in the recent episode was incredibly annoying, it was like half the episode lmao.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

I'm enjoying foundation and I don't even mind it taking it's time as I didn't read the books and it's doing some world building. I'm used to it from shows like the wire who always take 3-4 episodes to get moving.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

It's been decades since I read any of them, but aren't the books a series of vignettes with different characters separated by hundreds of years in some cases?

Metropolis
Apr 6, 2006

zoux posted:

It's been decades since I read any of them, but aren't the books a series of vignettes with different characters separated by hundreds of years in some cases?

Yup, at least the first book is. I actually would have liked that format for the show. A few characters/actors would have various methods of sticking around (cloning, being robots/AI, cryogenically frozen, recorded messages, etc.) but most arcs would be 1-3 episodes long with a lot of cool guest stars. I get why they're not doing that, and their version could work fine too. But it just doesn't seem to have come together yet. It's only 5 eps in though.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


feedmyleg posted:

Foundation is a mess. It happens to be a pretty mess with lots of space ships, though, so I'll keep watching,

I think one of the final sins of "Y: The Last Man" is it wasn't visually interesting, like at all.

Just bland discussion shots in the same few sets with a few woods locations thrown in. Nothing is really giving a sense of scale of distance and the setting rarely conveys any sort of emotional state.

I really wonder what made them take the news of cancellation public before all the episodes were out. Maybe trying to get ahead of cliffhanger frustration?

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

bull3964 posted:

I think one of the final sins of "Y: The Last Man" is it wasn't visually interesting, like at all.

That's cause the entire first season is like issues 1-3 of the comic

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

Metropolis posted:

Yup, at least the first book is. I actually would have liked that format for the show. A few characters/actors would have various methods of sticking around (cloning, being robots/AI, cryogenically frozen, recorded messages, etc.) but most arcs would be 1-3 episodes long with a lot of cool guest stars. I get why they're not doing that, and their version could work fine too. But it just doesn't seem to have come together yet. It's only 5 eps in though.

Yeah, this is exactly the show I was hoping for after watching the first episode.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Metropolis posted:

Yup, at least the first book is. I actually would have liked that format for the show. A few characters/actors would have various methods of sticking around (cloning, being robots/AI, cryogenically frozen, recorded messages, etc.) but most arcs would be 1-3 episodes long with a lot of cool guest stars. I get why they're not doing that, and their version could work fine too. But it just doesn't seem to have come together yet. It's only 5 eps in though.

Do many shows actually ever pull this off? Maybe Fargo and True Detective? I read/hear about so many shows trying the format of just having rotating casts between season (I think Heroes aimed to do this) but then once the first season becomes a hit you obviously can’t change the formula so it gets scrapped.

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!
Y: The Last Man?

More like Y: The Last Season, amirite

Metropolis
Apr 6, 2006

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Do many shows actually ever pull this off? Maybe Fargo and True Detective? I read/hear about so many shows trying the format of just having rotating casts between season (I think Heroes aimed to do this) but then once the first season becomes a hit you obviously can’t change the formula so it gets scrapped.

Not really many popular ones that I'm aware of. Some shows like crime shows or procedural dramas like House can have a lot of focus on the single-episode guest star though. Though that's usually just a couple actors guest starring with all the main characters and supporting cast still playing very big roles. A lot of people stick with shows because they like the chemistry the cast has and the actors having figured out their roles well, often that's very hard to get right so when you do you don't wanna mess with it. So while I think a rotating major cast for the show would be rad and fit the show well and make it more unique, it was always a no-go from that perspective.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Do many shows actually ever pull this off? Maybe Fargo and True Detective? I read/hear about so many shows trying the format of just having rotating casts between season (I think Heroes aimed to do this) but then once the first season becomes a hit you obviously can’t change the formula so it gets scrapped.

Do the Ryan Murphy shows count

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



So, B-Positive returned last week - the show that conveniently concluded it's first season with problematic Thomas Middleditch's character going under the knife, and giving itself perfect chance to rid itself of himand introduce a whole bunch of new storylines using the extended cast.

Lol, no. Middleditch is fine, the show doesn't seem to have any connection to it's original premise anymore, and in order to have a new plot line they did the very relatable thing of having Annaleigh Ashford's character inherit $48m.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

EL BROMANCE posted:

So, B-Positive returned last week - the show that conveniently concluded it's first season with problematic Thomas Middleditch's character going under the knife, and giving itself perfect chance to rid itself of himand introduce a whole bunch of new storylines using the extended cast.

Lol, no. Middleditch is fine, the show doesn't seem to have any connection to it's original premise anymore, and in order to have a new plot line they did the very relatable thing of having Annaleigh Ashford's character inherit $48m.

So, you're the one person under the age of 70 that watches B-Positive?

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



I am, and I don't know why. It's not good, and this won't be a surprise to anyone. It's definitely 'play on phone and "watch" tv' time.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


I've never even heard of the show. Then again, I don't know if I could name like 5 currently airing shows on CBS.

Aside from watching Fox's animated block and some CW stuff, I don't think I'm currently watching ANY network shows and couldn't even begin to guess the schedule.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
Oh cool they cast Mel Gibson in the John Wick prequel show :geno:

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Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Do many shows actually ever pull this off? Maybe Fargo and True Detective? I read/hear about so many shows trying the format of just having rotating casts between season (I think Heroes aimed to do this) but then once the first season becomes a hit you obviously can’t change the formula so it gets scrapped.

YOU, on Netflix, does this every season. I think there are a few other shows that use this format, but it's not super common in the US.

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