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Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

*dubstep intensifies*

Iron Crowned posted:

Is that the show where one of them is a puppet?

That's Cousin Skeeter. My Brother and Me was a standard sitcom.

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Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Khanstant posted:

Going to fancy restaurant to get a giant bucket of ice with a half dozen raw strawberries poked in it, this is cuisine!!

edit:

Holy poo poo, the murder scene in the second episode of Columbo is incredible. I love this style, no gore or annoying scream, but you still get the idea of the murder and then we're focused on the killer's face, separate scenes of the aftermath montage taking place entirely on his loving 70s rear end rectangle glasses

Oh yeah, that episode rocks. Every now and then Columbo gets borderline experimental and itís great.

That killerís actor, Robert Culp, is in two other episodes and theyíre all great.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


ShakeZula posted:

This feels like a surprise. Guess I'll have to finally watch S2

https://twitter.com/MichaelAusiello/status/1382393339660677120

Basically while it wasn't officially canceled one the EPs came out and said that Cinemax was out of the scripted drama game and if it was going to get a s3 it would have to be due to people watching it on HBO Max. Which I guess they did!

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


I still don't understand why Cinemax still exists.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

It feels like the place HBO Max temporarily sends stuff so it can cycle through "Last Chance" pushes.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


https://twitter.com/angelicabastien/status/1382393808055336961?s=20

Spoilers but yeah this show sucks and the worst thing that could have happened and did happen from Jordan Peeleís success is ďwhite people in the industry making their own knockoffs like Them and Antebellum with worse twists and more torture of black peopleĒ

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Escobarbarian posted:

I think they mean The Irregulars

Yep lol. Late night typo

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


Holy poo poo, I never expected Warrior to get another season, that's a great surprise. Everyone should watch that show, it's fantastic.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

After Kim's Convenience and Warrior were cancelled at the same time I thought asians on tv was over

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Reminder that tomorrow the final season of Infinity Train drops.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

No recollections?

Mu Zeta posted:

After Kim's Convenience and Warrior were cancelled at the same time I thought asians on tv was over

I'm convinced the CBC is just a state funded way of keeping actors employed in Canada and sitcoms are literally made and cancelled based on a roll of the dice.

Or you get Corner Gas, which everyone in Canada loses their loving minds over it, and not a single other country has the slightest interest in it.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Edward Mass posted:

That's Cousin Skeeter. My Brother and Me was a standard sitcom.

Holy poo poo I had totally forgotten Cousin Skeeter existed and a whole bunch of memories of 20 year old tv just came flooding back.

Simone Magus
Sep 30, 2020

by VideoGames
The trashiest show on Netflix (The Circle) is back. Definitely hits different post COVID lol

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
Isn't that some lovely Emma Watson/Tom Hanks movie

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Azhais posted:

Isn't that some lovely Emma Watson/Tom Hanks movie

I keep confusing it with that terrible CW witch show The Secret Circle.

Simone Magus
Sep 30, 2020

by VideoGames

Azhais posted:

Isn't that some lovely Emma Watson/Tom Hanks movie

It was, but this is a trashy reality show

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

The Emma Watson movie was immediately dated because the crazy future tech are small cameras that people put all over their homes and at work so that it tracks everything you do and you don't have privacy anymore and apparently that's bad. But people are actually doing that right now with Amazon Echo and Siri.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

*dubstep intensifies*

bull3964 posted:

I still don't understand why Cinemax still exists.

Contracts with cable/satellite/IPTV providers, most likely. You don't want to give up real estate if you don't have to.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Edward Mass posted:

Contracts with cable/satellite/IPTV providers, most likely. You don't want to give up real estate if you don't have to.

Yeah, but it has to cost AT&T to license the movies and I can't imagine they are breaking even at this point.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

*dubstep intensifies*

bull3964 posted:

Yeah, but it has to cost AT&T to license the movies and I can't imagine they are breaking even at this point.

HBO and Cinemax have the same licensing agreements.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Holy poo poo I had totally forgotten Cousin Skeeter existed and a whole bunch of memories of 20 year old tv just came flooding back.

Big same.

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.

Chris James 2 posted:

https://twitter.com/angelicabastien/status/1382393808055336961?s=20

Spoilers but yeah this show sucks and the worst thing that could have happened and did happen from Jordan Peele’s success is “white people in the industry making their own knockoffs like Them and Antebellum with worse twists and more torture of black people”

The writers and creators are black though aren't they? I saw her thread yesterday and personally I have some issues with it. I don't disagree with what she says about the show, and I understand that it seems as though the only shows with Black people at the front and centre are ones that are about 'trauma', so of course I get why people pull back from that. THEM in particular feels a bit - though I hate the phrase - torture porn-y and I think it hides that by being about a serious subject.

However, she then follows it up with...

https://twitter.com/angelicabastien/status/1382394574140813317?s=19

And to me that's straying a little too close to THEM as being an Absolute bad and furthermore if you dare praise any aspect of it then can you really call yourself an ally?

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


The point has been made before about how some rich black creators are using the plights of the lower classes as a form of exploitation media that appeals to white people more than anything, in order to market themselves as being hugely progressive. When Judas and the Black Messiah, also by black creators, came out there was a similar article (I think from the same author, actually), about how itís using black history as essentially a series of aesthetic vignettes without getting at the root of the problem, and mainly being about black suffering without much point to it other than to downplay the real history in favour of turning it into a pop culture prop, essentially.

It calls to mind the reasons why Dave Chappelle originally ended Chappelleís Show. I cannot speak to how big of an issue this is in general, but I certainly understand why you wouldnít want high profile black stories to just be about suffering and endless racism, especially when real trauma and white supremacy is still happening in the real world right now and youíre using that imagery to puff up your story about how the devil is racist.

I donít know that I agree that you should not tell these kinds of stories as part of a larger black oeuvre, but I can understand how frustrating it is when thereís essentially an entire genre that thrives in it. Itís a difficult issue to tackle because Iím positive that something like Them will resonate with many black people regardless, and I donít think there is anything wrong with that. It certainly makes me more interested in actually checking the show out with a very critical mind going in.

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.
Yeah Lena Waithe was also involved with QUEEN AND SLIM, which also had similar backlash. And like I said I totally get where those points of view come from. Though the creator and writer of all the episodes is a dude named Little Marvin who hasn't really done anything of note before. I just wanted to highlight the name Little Marvin.

Current criticism is starting to get way too comfortable with the idea that the Art should be a reflection of your personal beliefs, and that expressing an acceptance of that Art - even though you might personally disagree with it - is somehow a reflection of you.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

DrVenkman posted:

Current criticism is starting to get way too comfortable with the idea that the Art should be a reflection of your personal beliefs, and that expressing an acceptance of that Art - even though you might personally disagree with it - is somehow a reflection of you.

It seems like it's the next step in the whole "pop culture as identity" thing, which itself was just the next step in the franchising of pop culture.

Blame Hello Kitty. Blame Fight Club. Blame Marvel and DC.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Hakkesshu posted:

The point has been made before about how some rich black creators are using the plights of the lower classes as a form of exploitation media that appeals to white people more than anything, in order to market themselves as being hugely progressive. When Judas and the Black Messiah, also by black creators, came out there was a similar article (I think from the same author, actually), about how itís using black history as essentially a series of aesthetic vignettes without getting at the root of the problem, and mainly being about black suffering without much point to it other than to downplay the real history in favour of turning it into a pop culture prop, essentially.

I think there's definitely something here with portraying the whites of the era as cartoonish monsters with an edge of 'look how bad things used to be' which absolves the racism of today. The show portrays the in-your-face racism that everyone is comfortable with criticizing and dis-associating with. It's a strictly apolitical approach to the issue. Plus, you have the constant almost fetishistic portrayal of race-hatred and race-violence that brings it all way over the top. Just off the top of my head, what is going on with the ghost origin story and what was going on with the cat in the bag sequence. Extremely gratuitous.

It honestly feels ten years out of date in today's political climate. Like what is the whole weird cop sideline? They sideline having a white savior (by the main cop just being nice on account of being bribed) but they then still drift into this weird territory where the police are actually better than the suburbanites. Like imagine the same story but in contemporary America, the main cast would be dead by police before the end of the second episode.

I enjoyed Them, but it's a very dumb show with in my opinion very little to say.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Oven Wrangler
I haven't seen Them and don't plan to. Everything you guys are saying makes total sense but still, going "if you enjoyed this show at all you have a lot of anti-black poo poo you need to unpack" is... silly?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Look you can never tell if your "If you drink RC Cola you hate Bulgarians and that's tea" take is going to go good viral or bad viral and there's only one way to find out

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


Yes, I also donít agree that it doesnít induce empathy. But so much of this problem is rooted in the insane mess that is the current discourse landscape so it is bound to get big punches like that thrown at it.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
If you drink RC Cola you're probably a psychopath.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Also, we know how much fun it is to triumph over your foes in Star Wars discourse but if you can defeat them and also turn them into Nazis....that's living.

Rhyno posted:

If you drink RC Cola you're probably a psychopath.

No question, but I think it's wrong to apply that to particular south Slavic group, and if you disagree well you haven't done the work.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Arist posted:

I haven't seen Them and don't plan to. Everything you guys are saying makes total sense but still, going "if you enjoyed this show at all you have a lot of anti-black poo poo you need to unpack" is... silly?

Very silly.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Rhyno posted:

If you drink RC Cola you're probably a psychopath.

RC is pretty inoffensive as colas go. Like a slightly less sweet Pepsi.

Diet Rite, though, is toxic sludge.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Well now that I've officially watched every episode of Kim's Convenience I can say that the biggest mistake the show ever made was focusing on Jung's workplace and coworkers as regular characters instead of just a background thing, because it cursed the show to have between 5% to 45% of every episode taken up with extremely stale generic "workplace humor" gags and plotlines that feel like they were lifted right out of 1992.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004



Grimey Drawer
The finale was so weird. It was like they only learned it was going to be the final episode five minutes before writing the first draft.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Escobarbarian posted:

The finale was so weird. It was like they only learned it was going to be the final episode five minutes before writing the first draft.

I think that's exactly what happened. Nobody in the cast had any idea the showrunners were bailing.

Simone Magus
Sep 30, 2020

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MiddleOne posted:

I enjoyed Them, but it's a very dumb show with in my opinion very little to say.

The first two episodes are imo really good but it goes downhill from there, and some of it is definitely big yikes territory. I dunno about the Vulture lady though, let's just say I fundamentally disagree with her and find some of her conclusions to veer pretty close to conspiracy theory territory

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

I will confess,
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth.



I can't blame that lady for being so annoyed about the situation. It feels like a large portion of the media about black people nowadays is about either slavery, injustices, racism and other societal wrongs and it is honestly loving exhausting. We could have all manner of various programs written and created by black authors and showrunners but what largely gets greenlit are things about the aforementioned topics.

It might seem silly to dismiss that woman's response but I'm starting to feel the same kind of frustration she seems to be experiencing. At some point there has to be diminishing returns on yet another piece of media "exploring" black people suffering.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Interestingly this is similar to the "bury your gays" trope that arose in the 70s and 80s. It's been coopted by people who want to make their fanfic ships moral questions, but it originally referred to media in which the suffering of gay and lesbian main characters culminated in their death or otherwise bad end at the end of the film. I don't think those movies were made for gay people, and I worry that a lot of the shows centering black pain aren't for black people, but rather for a way for white viewers to expiate their guilt over the plight of marginalized communities, and in that sense I get it. OTOH I'm not going to tell Lena Waithe or any POC creator what topics around race and racism they should avoid, and how they should portray them, but I think we're seeing more of this stuff because there's a white audience that wants it. Again, not out of sadism, out of a genuine desire to try and empathize or share the pain of these communities, but overly eager white people trying to help do cause problems, even if they don't mean any harm.

I;ll add as a qualifier that I haven't seen Them, and I checked out of Lovecraft Country for kind of the same reason - I feel like I'm being explotative watching stuff like that sometimes. But I did enjoy Watchmen and Get Out. I saw a tweet from a black person saying "What people don't understand about Get Out is the scary part isn't the Armitages, it's the sunken place" and that made me realize that white and black audiences are interpreting these shows and movies very differently.

zoux fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Apr 15, 2021

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double negative
Jul 7, 2003


Vanderdeath posted:

I can't blame that lady for being so annoyed about the situation. It feels like a large portion of the media about black people nowadays is about either slavery, injustices, racism and other societal wrongs and it is honestly loving exhausting. We could have all manner of various programs written and created by black authors and showrunners but what largely gets greenlit are things about the aforementioned topics.

It might seem silly to dismiss that woman's response but I'm starting to feel the same kind of frustration she seems to be experiencing. At some point there has to be diminishing returns on yet another piece of media "exploring" black people suffering.

Well, we've got poo poo like a Lee Daniels adaptation of Our Kind of People on the way, then there's the whole Kenya Barris suite of "Ish" shows

Also it's certainly not free of injustice, racism, and societal wrongs, but Snowfall is good as hell, these are just all shows the only black people seem to really be watching

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