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runchild
May 26, 2010

420 smoke 🎨artisanal🍑 melange erryday

I just wish teammates would realize the best counter to Seer’s Ult is to not be in it. Sure, sometimes you don’t have a choice, and it’s still a pretty large area denial, but if you can safely remove yourself from the sphere it doesn’t do poo poo.

This post brought to you by two situations in the same match where I was forced to choose between giving away my position or letting my teammates get dunked on.

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dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010
that's always been there, just not as the default sight.

Carillon
May 9, 2014






Man I really wish I could set default sights in arena when I upgrade a gun. I hate having to remember every time that upgrading the Wingman that it still defaults to the 1x sight, or that the level 3 R-301 means I want the 2x/4x thank you very much.

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010
https://i.imgur.com/VUAEIPb.mp4

Chard
Aug 24, 2010




Carillon posted:

Man I really wish I could set default sights in arena when I upgrade a gun. I hate having to remember every time that upgrading the Wingman that it still defaults to the 1x sight, or that the level 3 R-301 means I want the 2x/4x thank you very much.

i think you still can? i sometimes take the r301 to purple and i feel like it always remembers i want the 2x on it

Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007




Fuck you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLDSTf0agEg

Who needs a Huey when you have a cable car

friendlyfire
Jun 2, 2003

Charmingly Indolent
I dunno what the deal is, but I eat major poo poo on weekends and rule the roost during weekdays. The difference is remarkable.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
god got my all time top damage and kills (gonna get that hammer one day, came within 200 :unsmith: ) playing wraith with the l star. other than using the mozambique in the beginning i don't think i used my other weapon slot, lmao. that gun is dumb as gently caress.

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.


CoolCab posted:

god got my all time top damage and kills (gonna get that hammer one day, came within 200 :unsmith: ) playing wraith with the l star. other than using the mozambique in the beginning i don't think i used my other weapon slot, lmao. that gun is dumb as gently caress.

just a heads up if you're talking about arenas the "Wrath of" (damage) badges are disabled. Gotta play BR if you want the hammers.

resistentialism
Aug 13, 2007

Nothing will ever replace my trio of level 1 battlepass badges.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Evil Kit posted:

just a heads up if you're talking about arenas the "Wrath of" (damage) badges are disabled. Gotta play BR if you want the hammers.

nah, br. 3x and burstfire. i suspect it's arena practice tho.

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.


CoolCab posted:

nah, br. 3x and burstfire. i suspect it's arena practice tho.

cool just checking, didn't want ya to get disappointed. Lstar is pretty disgusting right now, it's so good by itself you can just pull whatever along as a secondary.

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011
I thought if they were going to add faster reload/more capacity/tighter spread to the L-star with attachments they would of nerfed it's base-stats a bit.

Nope, it's just straight up better now and went from a good underrated gun to a overpowered gun that is still underrated.

Pick that thing up whenever you see it, it's got 500 damage in a "magazine" and reloading from overheated is faster then most regular guns with a purple stock and <1 second if you stop 1 bullet before overheating, as a comparison for none-rampart users, the overheated reload is 2.2 seconds on the L-star, assault rifles are 2.16 and you can just stop firing for a second when you hear the beeping to skip that entirely.

Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Aug 9, 2021

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.


the initial hipfire is def worse but get a barrel stab and stock on it and it hardly matters

Lexusbeat
Jul 8, 2008
Yup and if you just stop holding the button when it beeps at you, it's cooldown is so short you will demolish people who have to reload or swap to another gun.

It's definitely the best gun in the game. It's not even hard to use anymore, now it doesn't blind you.

Carillon
May 9, 2014






Chard posted:

i think you still can? i sometimes take the r301 to purple and i feel like it always remembers i want the 2x on it

I think that's the default, its to 2x in blue and then 2x in purple.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
Seer is loving busted. I started playing him for the hitbox (its ridiculous) and then i started actually using his abilities. Here's my current thoughts (and if anyone wants credentials, i'm currently at a 30% winrate and a 4.3 k/d after 50 games).

The heartbeat sensor needs to be toned down. I thought it'd tell me someone was "over there" ish, but no. I can target exactly where someone is. At all times, without any cooldown. I thought it might be obtrusive to make up for it but it isn't, i've not turned it off for actual combat once, the information is too good. Speaking of which:

"You have to be accurate to hit his Q" was a loving lie. I regularly hit 2/3 people each time i fire it. The tracking is ridiculously good and I clown on everyone who's affected by it. I never miss either, because the heartbeat sensor tells me exactly where you're hiding. If seer tags you (with bullets, not the ability) and your team isn't hard covering your rear end, you're dead. You can't heal before he gets to you and even if you try he'll interrupt you with his Q. You can't run either, because he knows. He's a better hunter than loving bloodhound.

I don't really have a problem with it being a recon ability, but i'm using it to down people, support allies through walls when one of us positions poorly, hold down corridors, third party, etc. It's truly a tactical that does everything except move me.
His ult is way better than i thought it'd be to. I figured "oh i already know where everyone is in a fight, why do i care". But no, it gives me perfect information about how much time i have to heal before someone pushes me. Because it goes through walls i can just chuck it in a corner as i get tagged and i can heal for free, there isn't any risk. It's not like anyone is ever going to crouchwalk through it to get to me in time. It's so good for third partying into high density areas too. Streamer building in fragment? Chuck it on the floor nobody goes to in the corner. You'll never get jumped.

I hope they nerf him into the ground. Every fight right now is just visual noise and the last time I came away from a game with an ability induced headache, Brigitte had just been introduced to overwatch and I was maining Reinhardt. Not enjoying the constant "ZOOM, FWOOSH, BZZZZZZ".

Also holy poo poo rip bangalore lol

dogstile fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Aug 9, 2021

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011
I think the best counters to Seer right now are Wattson for repairing the chip damage and Rampart for setting up defenses where if he scans you he'll run into a wall of death he didn't see.

The next best counter is to wait a few weeks for them to nuke him from orbit.

Fat Lou
Jan 21, 2008

Desert Heat? I thought it was Dessert Heat. No wonder it tastes so bad.

Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

I think the best counters to Seer right now are Wattson for repairing the chip damage and Rampart for setting up defenses where if he scans you he'll run into a wall of death he didn't see.

The next best counter is to wait a few weeks for them to nuke him from orbit.

The best counter to seer is another seer.

Hugoon Chavez
Nov 4, 2011

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Fat Lou posted:

The best counter to seer is another seer.

This is definitely how it feels like and a food sign that something is OP.

His Q just does too much at the same time, but he's a really cool character and his busted abilities are fun and flavourful.

Half of what his Q does could be removed and placed on a new character's Q and they both would still be pretty good. Leave him his scouting abilities but remove the visual effect, damage and interrupt, and he's still at least on par with BH.

Kinda weird because besides Seer the game feels great and reasonably balanced right now.

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010
The heartbeat sensor feels like it breaks some kind of core BR tenet about not having 24/7 perfect information about other squads. I can see fair versions of the Q and ult existing but idk about the passive.

Queer Salutations
Aug 20, 2009

kind of a shitty wizard...

I think changing it to a notification "there is someone within range in this 180 degree area" would probably work. It's still powerful as hell though.

Regrettable
Jan 5, 2010



Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

I think the best counters to Seer right now are Wattson for repairing the chip damage and Rampart for setting up defenses where if he scans you he'll run into a wall of death he didn't see.

The next best counter is to wait a few weeks for them to nuke him from orbit.

I think turtling up with Caustic is going to end up being one of the main counters to Seer because none of the info matters that much if you can't push into their building. Probably part of the reason they buffed him. Get Lifeline and maybe Wattson in there too and you're probably solid.

Also, saw Noko pulling a big brain play with Octane the other day that I thought I should share. If you throw your shield down the instant Seer does his Q then pick it back up you'll auto heal the 10 flesh damage and can save your cells.

e: And I don't know if it's been mentioned here but you can even run around at full speed while using the heartbeat sensor if you hold Seer's Q down.

Regrettable fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Aug 9, 2021

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug
Lmao I don't even have the reaction speed to press A or D to sidestep out of that poo poo, no way I can accomplish that.

Regrettable
Jan 5, 2010



CodfishCartographer posted:

Lmao I don't even have the reaction speed to press A or D to sidestep out of that poo poo, no way I can accomplish that.

You can guess when it's about to happen a lot of the time, assuming you know that there's a Seer around. I very rarely get hit by the Q because it gives you a second to dodge out of it and I'm usually not stacked up right on top of my teammates since I'm looking for different angles/flanking opportunities.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
I keep getting tagged by Seer Q even outside the graphic. Its hit box is wider than the graphic lmao.


Also controller aim assist is loving nuts with the current prowler. Like easily two bursting people busted. A lot of top players are switching to controller because the assist is so strong. They really gotta tone that poo poo down.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

cross-progression is tentatively coming next year

tildes
Nov 16, 2018

dragon enthusiast posted:

The heartbeat sensor feels like it breaks some kind of core BR tenet about not having 24/7 perfect information about other squads. I can see fair versions of the Q and ult existing but idk about the passive.

Yeah this feels like the struggle with the passive for me as well. Especially with communication it just changes the game so much.

Boxman
Sep 27, 2004

Big fan of :frog:


repiv posted:

cross-progression is tentatively coming next year



I would sacrifice cross-collections if they just unified accounts in a slightly cleaner way than it is now. I'm sick of telling people "search this username, I'm usually the second one down, sometimes the third" when they're trying to add me in Apex.

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010
partied with an octane named LegalizeCocaine

stopgap1
Jul 27, 2013

dragon enthusiast posted:

partied with an octane named LegalizeCocaine

I hope that's his only character.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

Smashed before noon

tildes posted:

Yeah this feels like the struggle with the passive for me as well. Especially with communication it just changes the game so much.

Make it so you have to be stationary for a few seconds before it switches on? He’s described as an ambush specialist but his kit really doesn’t align with that.

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011

Bottom Liner posted:

Also controller aim assist is loving nuts with the current prowler. Like easily two bursting people busted. A lot of top players are switching to controller because the assist is so strong. They really gotta tone that poo poo down.

I really really want a option to only play with PC players on K&M again, it's really annoying to wonder how you got melted instantly in a close up fight and then you see "oh they are a controller player" time and time again.

It got so annoying my group has gravitated towards snipers just because controller aim assist doesn't help as much with that, it needs a nerf on crossplay or a way to opt out of crossplay.

Yellow Yoshi
Apr 29, 2020

Figure 1: Mario's weird dog

Boxman posted:

I would sacrifice cross-collections if they just unified accounts in a slightly cleaner way than it is now. I'm sick of telling people "search this username, I'm usually the second one down, sometimes the third" when they're trying to add me in Apex.

the friends searching interface is easily the most underdeveloped part of the interfaces.
don't show me just three, let me search by steam/origin/ps4/xbax and let me click through to see stats, drat

Boxman
Sep 27, 2004

Big fan of :frog:


Vengarr posted:

Make it so you have to be stationary for a few seconds before it switches on? He’s described as an ambush specialist but his kit really doesn’t align with that.

Making it not function on guns when you ADS (making it so you have to stow your weapons) would be even better, I think - strip away its practicality during a fight.

Or do both, gently caress it, its such an insane skill.

PhoenixFlaccus
Jul 15, 2011

KFC Famous Bowl
Does fuses q interrupt healing?

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010


It's funny how spending some time away from a gun makes you appreciate it more; I've been ignoring the G7 and Mastiff the past few seasons but started using them again recently and they shred real hard

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011

tildes posted:

Yeah this feels like the struggle with the passive for me as well. Especially with communication it just changes the game so much.

His passive needs two changes to it to not just make it permanent bloodhound scan but better because it doesn't alert the other teams that they got scanned or even the direction of where they got scanned from.

It needs to not work while aiming with guns.

It needs a resource bar that takes time to refill like Gib/Valk.

Optional change: players can hear their heartbeat faintly when a seer is looking at them, the robots get a pixelated filter for their sound.

Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Aug 10, 2021

Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007




Fuck you say?
Honestly it really feels like they've dug themselves into a big old hole with Seer because the only clear way to balance him is to remove or decrease all that utility to barely anything, if only to make him not poo poo all over Crypto and BH

They should have made him a silence champion

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Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

Songbearer posted:

Honestly it really feels like they've dug themselves into a big old hole with Seer because the only clear way to balance him is to remove or decrease all that utility to barely anything, if only to make him not poo poo all over Crypto and BH

They should have made him a silence champion

He and Revenant could have had some awesome lines with that. Including Seer telling him to get the gently caress back in the shadows.

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