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Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011
Honestly they should just entirely remove Seers heartbeat monitor passive, Pathfinder and Crypto both have no real passive, Seer is still overloaded without one.

Seers passive alone is better then bloodhounds entire kit, and bloodhound was the top tier scanner character before him.

Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Aug 10, 2021

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KRILLIN IN THE NAME
Mar 25, 2006

:ssj:goku i won't do what u tell me:ssj:


bloodhound buff: when bloodhound scans someone, they stay revealed for the rest of the game, to all teams :getin:

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006
Seer passive needs to be a lot shorter range to be acceptable. Like 5-10m.

Seer Q needs to only do the healthbar/reveal and nothing else.

Ult can stay as is or maybe make it a slightly smaller area if it's too still oppressive (I think it's generally ok).

He would still be a great champ like that.

Yellow Yoshi
Apr 29, 2020

Figure 1: Mario's weird dog
say what you want about seer being too powerful, getting the final kill through a wall using the Q is the most satisfying thing

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
I still find it hilarious that i'm able to go "oh i'm positioned wrong" and still gently caress up a push with him.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

https://twitter.com/Respawn/status/1425140785197027335?s=19

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
I haven't posted some highlights in a while: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiHIjmiE01c

Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007

Insight: Try to discern the fuck they said.


Three of this week's challenges for me can be completed using Seer so I put some time in with him for a few rounds

Short of aiming the loving gun for you this character can do everything

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

I just got put in a 3v0 ranked arena game then it gave me 98 AP for winning

Rubellavator
Aug 16, 2007

Daniel Klein has been fired

https://twitter.com/danielzklein/status/1425208160566927362

https://twitter.com/danielzklein/status/1425208161426763776

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011
Looking him up, apparently he was the guy behind the pathfinder 35 grapple cooldown and these skillful clips https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/ja65hy/grapples_by_the_man_behind_pathfinders_recent/

Also apparently he got fired from Riot Games for... let's see... doing the exact same poo poo on twitter.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

Smashed before noon
I didn’t know you could get fired from Riot games. That’s really quite the feat

Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007

Insight: Try to discern the fuck they said.


I don't want to know what he said, but also that's a lie and I really do

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006
he was apparently fired from riot for telling gamergaters to gently caress off, which is funny that that is crossing a line for riot and lends credence to him saying he got better from saying racist toxic poo poo in 07.

seems like he was also just not very good at his job though.

Gearhead
Feb 12, 2007
The Metroid of Humor

Vengarr posted:

I didn’t know you could get fired from Riot games. That’s really quite the feat

Got fired from Riot. Then he got fired from Respawn and his newest creation is getting rebalanced a week after his rear end is out the door.

That's actually impressive.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017

Intriguing.

Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

Looking him up, apparently he was the guy behind the pathfinder 35 grapple cooldown and these skillful clips https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/ja65hy/grapples_by_the_man_behind_pathfinders_recent/

Also apparently he got fired from Riot Games for... let's see... doing the exact same poo poo on twitter.

A bunch of comments point out that these grapples were intentionally bad because it's from a devstream showing off the cooldown reduction for bad grapples.

Is there any actual confirmation on what he was fired for? I wasn't at all a fan of his balancing decisions (or "justifications") but I haven't seen anything beyond that he's gone.

Rubellavator
Aug 16, 2007

SKULL.GIF posted:

A bunch of comments point out that these grapples were intentionally bad because it's from a devstream showing off the cooldown reduction for bad grapples.

Is there any actual confirmation on what he was fired for? I wasn't at all a fan of his balancing decisions (or "justifications") but I haven't seen anything beyond that he's gon

I mean it's his own words that he was fired for things he said in 2007.

https://twitter.com/KittySnac/status/1420346620525301761

There's some other stuff that I looked at earlier like a joke about Africans making GBS threads places up that I can't seem to find immediately. 2007 is a long time ago, but he was also 27 then.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
If he designed seer they probably just fired him over that, because this character is a mess.

Half joking

tweet my meat
Oct 2, 2013

yospos
Daniel only really got hate from community because he was the main character design guy posting about the character balance changes on the apex subreddit which kinda made him the default target when people got angry about a balance update and wanted to harass a developer about it. Even the Riot firing thing was apparently about him calling the league reddit community toxic manchildren (correct) after they got enraged about the company having a series of panels and portfolio checks that prioritized women and non binary people.

He always seemed like a decent enough dude and his firing is really surprising news. I'm curious what kind of poo poo they actually found.

tildes
Nov 15, 2018

Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

Looking him up, apparently he was the guy behind the pathfinder 35 grapple cooldown and these skillful clips https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/ja65hy/grapples_by_the_man_behind_pathfinders_recent/

Also apparently he got fired from Riot Games for... let's see... doing the exact same poo poo on twitter.

He got fired from riot for almost the exact opposite -- angry tweets at gamergater types. Respawn was for the older 2007 tweets which someone quoted above.

tweet my meat posted:

Daniel only really got hate from community because he was the main character design guy posting about the character balance changes on the apex subreddit which kinda made him the default target when people got angry about a balance update and wanted to harass a developer about it. Even the Riot firing thing was apparently about him calling the league reddit community toxic manchildren (correct) after they got enraged about the company having a series of panels and portfolio checks that prioritized women and non binary people.

He always seemed like a decent enough dude and his firing is really surprising news. I'm curious what kind of poo poo they actually found.

The stuff above.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006
That's his story though, there could always be more that he didn't reveal. I don't know anything about him to suspect that, just pointing out the possibility.

tweet my meat
Oct 2, 2013

yospos
drat yeah that's pretty bad. Long time ago but he was still old enough to know better sums it up pretty well.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
I think the only blog I ever had was DeviantArt. And it was always poo poo about Transformers or Legacy of Kain.

How many people go back and scrub their old blogs? This was something someone had to search for, I'd think?

Cretin90
Apr 10, 2006
I don’t really care that he made those comments 14 years ago. He was 27, not 13. It’s like when people defend Trump’s pussy grabbing comments as “it was way back in 2005!!!!” He was 59.

I’m not sure those comments alone linked earlier in the thread are fire-worthy, but add that nice dose of gross sexism to some buried racism (that apparently was scrubbed clean before we saw it)…. Mix in some colossal negative player feedback to Seer… I could see it.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006
also the Acti-Blizz situation is probably making a lot of HR departments across the industry real nervous and eager to cleanse any potential problematic people.

Tweak
Jul 28, 2003

or dont whatever








another arenas flash event? Seeming desperate to get people to play your new mode, Respawn

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug
From having worked in the game industry for 10+ years, I doubt that the reaction to Seer has much to do with his firing. Seer is overall a fairly well-designed but poorly balanced legend - and the poor balance is easy enough to fix. Even if Seer was an absolute train wreck, I don't think it's the kind of thing someone tends to get fired over - more likely they just won't be assigned the task of making new legends going forward. The firing likely has everything to do with the blog posts, and maybe some internal stuff we're not privvy to (office politics, a long-term pattern of declining work ethic or quality, etc)

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
I absolutely figure he's getting fired over old blog posts but its funnier to me that he gets fired for seer.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

comics are out, in-game conversations you'll only hear second hand because they require 3 specific legends to be in a specific part of the map are in

https://twitter.com/shrugtal/status/1425228442782650376

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

Cretin90 posted:

I don’t really care that he made those comments 14 years ago. He was 27, not 13. It’s like when people defend Trump’s pussy grabbing comments as “it was way back in 2005!!!!” He was 59.

I’m not sure those comments alone linked earlier in the thread are fire-worthy, but add that nice dose of gross sexism to some buried racism (that apparently was scrubbed clean before we saw it)…. Mix in some colossal negative player feedback to Seer… I could see it.

Oh no, I'm not trying to justify what he said it all. I'm just wondering if, after the blizzard catastrophe going on, other gaming companies are going through and trying to scrub anything in their background, or find cases like this to make a public example.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017

Intriguing.

Tweak posted:

another arenas flash event? Seeming desperate to get people to play your new mode, Respawn

I would play a lot more Arenas if it didn't take ages to start a match and there wasn't a 45 second timer between rounds.

Let me play the goddamn game!

Chard
Aug 24, 2010




repiv posted:

comics are out, in-game conversations you'll only hear second hand because they require 3 specific legends to be in a specific part of the map are in

https://twitter.com/shrugtal/status/1425228442782650376

really curious what conversations led to the devs thinking anyone gives a flying gently caress about the terrible backstories these characters have been saddled with

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.


I dunno, the majority of legends have interesting personalities so it isn't too surprising a chunk of people would get invested in them. Whether or not the backstory writing ends up being good or not can be subjective sometimes.

wyoming
Jun 7, 2010

Like a television
tuned to a dead channel.
Yeah, the character interactions are legit one of the best parts of the game.
"You down to clown Blasey?"

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

Smashed before noon
It's some real soap-opera poo poo, but lots of people love soap operas.

PhoenixFlaccus
Jul 15, 2011

KFC Famous Bowl
I was going to bring up that someone’s age isn’t necessarily the only factor to consider when talking about things that are currently socially unacceptable, but also what was considered to be socially acceptable in the culture at the time… but after reading the post, even in 2007 it was super lovely to call all women stupid, irrational, and crazy. And using the loving bible to make your point lololol

That said, I did things that I knew were stupid in 2007 (in particular, drunk driving) that DID get me fired and I (eventually) learned the lesson that you shouldn’t do stupid poo poo just because you think you’re immune to the consequences, legal or otherwise. It would be unfair to be fired for those mistakes again now imo, because I don’t think like that or do that poo poo anymore. 14 years is a long time. Hell I was 27 only eight years ago and have matured a decent amount since then as well and hope to continue to do so, because I am still definitely flawed. One final note on the blog post is that you can tell he was quite heated when he wrote it and might have even disagreed with himself the next day or week after he’d cooled down. It’s impossible to know, but worth considering in these types of discussions.

It seems unlikely that he was fired for that blog post alone. Perhaps the way he interacts with women indicates that he’s still a sexist piece of poo poo, or maybe he’s not great at his job and this was the final straw, but if he was fired exclusively because this blog post resurfaced it’s almost certainly entirely a PR demonstration.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

let he who has never said anything bad in a shitpost cast the first stone, but that motherfucker wrote long rear end misogynistic and racist screeds describing his warped dipshit worldview on a blog

Audax
Dec 1, 2005
"LOL U GOT OWNED"
Just don't live on the internet.


Signed, someone who's had the same dead forums account since 2006.

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

At least delete that stuff if you work in a public facing job.

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tweet my meat
Oct 2, 2013

yospos
Just got my first 9 kill 3 round arenas win without being knocked. I think the matchmaking system shat the bed or something because I really should not have been in that match lmao, nobody but me got a full kill.

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