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Was genuinely shocking to watch a match on Storm Point the other day where there were 5 teams still alive by the final ring. Contrast to watching Worlds Edge clips from this week and watching that team count just DROP.
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SKULL.GIF posted:It is absolutely imperative that they remove Fragment as soon as possible, after the week of Storm Point it's incredibly clear how much Fragment ruins World's Edge. Over half the lobby drops there and it isn't even fun to fight in.
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Nov 13, 2021 16:54
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let's remove the best part of the map so people don't drop there
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Nov 13, 2021 17:15
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Maybe remove everything from the map except fragment? Also lol that they destroyed capitol to stop people dropping there but it's even more popular now because the streamer building is the best place for outplays on the map. hot take the level design gets worse every season as they try and enforce their vision. OG KC still the best.
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Nov 13, 2021 18:16
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It’s the only part of the map. You either drop fragments or consign yourself to never see another squad until final ring.
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Nov 13, 2021 18:16
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Good, I don't need other players in my walking and looting simulator
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Nov 13, 2021 18:20
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5th map should just be a patchwork of Skulltown, Fragment and Estates. The most obnoxious design possible.
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Nov 13, 2021 18:30
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Vengarr posted:It’s the only part of the map. You either drop fragments or consign yourself to never see another squad until final ring. yeah the only thing to do at this point is give it the skulltown treatment nothing will tear people away from fragment as long as it exists, even when the rampart takeover was brand new 2/3rds of the server ignored it and rushed the streamer building
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Nov 13, 2021 18:39
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eh i feel like the skulltown treatment so radically changes the character of the map i dislike it. put something in there to disincentivize rather than nuking it imo.
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Nov 13, 2021 18:41
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Rubellavator posted:let's remove the worst part of the map so people don't drop there
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Nov 13, 2021 21:59
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I would much rather land fragment than have a twenty minute game where my teammate who ate entire tray of weed brownies throws the match after twenty minutes of inaction in the final 3 because they have no idea what they’re doing. loving idiot last night decides he’s going to craft armor at the edge of the ring where the other two teams clearly are going to come from to get in and just insta dies.
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Nov 13, 2021 22:01
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TrixR4kids posted:I would much rather land fragment than have … twenty minutes of inaction Cause meet effect
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Nov 13, 2021 22:27
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Thing that sucks about playing a live service game like Apex is that you either agree with the direction the developers and community are pushing it and have a good time, or you're just hosed and left with no recourse but sit and complain on online message boards. Personally I'd love to keep playing the game as it was at launch (with some patches so it doesn't crash every other match like it did). KC for instance was shaped by the developers having fun with playing the game themselves as they built it and you could feel the love put into it, unlike its current zombie state of poo poo piled on top of poo poo that is nearly unrecognizable from the original. Respawn's loving omakase philosophy pisses me off too. I thought they'd finally stopped after we shuffled through all three maps in pubs the last season, but nope. Now we have four gigantic maps in the game (well actually more but they don't let us play older versions more than max 1 time a year), and for some reason they decide we are going to be stuck with only two of those for the next three or so month. 
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Nov 13, 2021 22:43
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If Fragment were just a never-ending level 6 ring flare i feel like WE would produce a really nice amount of third partying, somewhere between KC catastro-gently caress and the overwhelmingly honest except for Jurassic Park fights that I keep getting in Storm Point
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Nov 13, 2021 22:47
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Keito posted:Thing that sucks about playing a live service game like Apex is that you either agree with the direction the developers and community are pushing it and have a good time, or you're just hosed and left with no recourse but sit and complain on online message boards. Personally I'd love to keep playing the game as it was at launch (with some patches so it doesn't crash every other match like it did). It really sucks that kids growing up now won’t be able to return to the games they loved as kids and have that nostalgia because everything has to be a drat live service.
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Nov 13, 2021 22:54
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the halcyon days when permanently cloaking a zergling was a legacy feature, not a bug to be squashed.
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Nov 13, 2021 23:00
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when they brought back original KC for that brief event it was miserable, except for thunderdome and to a lesser extent skull town
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Nov 13, 2021 23:07
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Bottom Liner posted:Cause meet effect Nobody is claiming otherwise but blowing up fragment doesn’t really fix the fact that people play pubs with a focus on fighting and if squads pair up and drop on each other you’re still down to ten squads within the first two minutes. And some of them are close enough to each other that you’re down to like 6 before the second ring. The only thing that changes is where people hot drop basically (probably will just become sky hook or whatever sorting factory area is called now) and maybe you have a little more variety in terms of fight locations. TrixR4kids fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Nov 13, 2021 |
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Nov 13, 2021 23:07
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I quoted that post earlier because I do agree with it, but I'd like to say that the core of the problem isn't Fragment itself, but the players. People want to just drop and fight, and Fragment is just the perfect storm on WE of large enough with enough loot to support many squads, and a generally fun area to play in. Except that sucks out the fun of the rest of the map which does imo have a lot of interesting spots to fight in, but you don't really get to fight there because everyone goes Fragment to die immediately. Which sucks. Hence, nuke fragment leaving only the streamer building behind with a giant lava lake of death surrounding it and the only way on it is to use some jump towers that are on the outside edge forcing it to be a one way trip. Also hot take, having only gotten to play old KC when it came around for the event: it loving sucked, was boring and too same-y across the map. New KC is way better and more varied, old KC had the same third party issues. Also Skulltown, as the OG Fragment, also sucked. I appreciate folks having nostalgia for it but players at the time were way different then they are now and the flaws are way more apparent. Evil Kit fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Nov 13, 2021 |
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Nov 13, 2021 23:16
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I do want to say I love how Jurassic Park the new map is. has anyone found out how far the prowlers will track you? As in, if you get their attention and keep running/stimming away, do they give up?
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Nov 13, 2021 23:23
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TrixR4kids posted:Nobody is claiming otherwise but blowing up fragment doesn’t really fix the fact that people play pubs with a focus on fighting and if squads pair up and drop on each other you’re still down to ten squads within the first two minutes. And some of them are close enough to each other that you’re down to like 6 before the second ring. The only thing that changes is where people hot drop basically (probably will just become sky hook or whatever sorting factory area is called now) and maybe you have a little more variety in terms of fight locations. Except other maps don't have the problem to nearly the same degree because they don't have Fragment. Player behavior can be reinforced or curtailed by map design.
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Nov 13, 2021 23:28
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You also need the players to generally not know wtf they are doing if you want the gameplay you got at a game's release back.
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Nov 13, 2021 23:46
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resistentialism posted:You also need the players to generally not know wtf they are doing if you want the gameplay you got at a game's release back. no worries on that front
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Nov 13, 2021 23:51
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Bottom Liner posted:Except other maps don't have the problem to nearly the same degree because they don't have Fragment. Player behavior can be reinforced or curtailed by map design. yeah you get hotdroppers on every map, but on the other maps they insta-drop and go to the nearest big POI so there's at least some variety worlds edge is unique in that they'll patiently wait for the dropship to go near fragment even if it starts at the furthest possible spot in the south
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Nov 13, 2021 23:59
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Lava Siphon (the used-to-be Sorting) might be a problem if they just turned the map into a donut but I think Fragment's dead center placement has a lot to do with it. It means you're almost guaranteed to get a drop that will lead you to it, which makes its "sucks away teh fighting from the rest of the map" problem even more apparent. Containment, Energy Depot, Estates, and the Command Center's Anus are all guaranteed fiestas, but only Fragment attracts the sheer volume of ttv players, and at least you have a higher chance of a flight path that leads you away from those areas. EDIT: this does imply they should keep Jurassic Park the weird blank area it is now. A purple tier loot town takeover will turn the biggest map into the smallest one with one change. Boxman fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Nov 14, 2021 |
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Nov 14, 2021 00:28
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Keep Fragment exactly the same, except only spawn 1 gun in the whole area.
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You could make Fragment a featureless crater except for the one meme building with a single Mozambique in it and half the server would still drop on it
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Caustic, Fuse, Revenant, Valkyrie now top picks because their tacticals cause damage helping you get the knockdown first. Wattson would still be the secret sleeper pick. EDIT: Pathfinder's Boxing Ring with none of the charm or skillgap. life_source fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Nov 14, 2021 |
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Nov 14, 2021 00:44
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It was a lot of fun being able to 3-punch people and orb them to count to 100 damage, before they gave everyone shields.
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Instead of removing the most fun place to land on WE, just expand Fragment and remove the rest of the map. Instead of a donut, make it a donut hole
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Bottom Liner posted:Except other maps don't have the problem to nearly the same degree because they don't have Fragment. Player behavior can be reinforced or curtailed by map design.
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Tweak posted:when they brought back original KC for that brief event it was miserable, except for thunderdome and to a lesser extent skull town It wasn't original KC though, it was KC with all the modified loot stuff. They heavily hosed with loot density since then, it wasn't unusual for you to all have two guns and armour going down one of the wings in original skulltown, nutown you'd be lucky to have one dude fully kitted.
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Tweak posted:when they brought back original KC for that brief event it was miserable, except for thunderdome and to a lesser extent skull town dogstile posted:It wasn't original KC though, it was KC with all the modified loot stuff. They heavily hosed with loot density since then, it wasn't unusual for you to all have two guns and armour going down one of the wings in original skulltown, nutown you'd be lucky to have one dude fully kitted. Yeah this is it and it's also why I shake my head at people complaining about the loot distribution in Storm Point. It seems to have quieted down as people figured out that SP loot is held in the pillboxes but, and I've posted about this a few times, the scarcity of the loot drives you to not only seek out other squads but also other POIs. This is another angle from which you can see why Fragment is a problem, you don't really need to go anywhere else in World's Edge if you win Fragment, you'll be more or less fully loaded and can just fill holes in from squads you fight after that. I had a game right before going into work tonight where my team dropped The Tree, killed two squads, and then wandered from there to Harvester -> Train Yard -> Fragment without much action. Once we hit Fragment we fought two other red-armor squads -- clearly the winners of the Fragment moshpit -- in a very tense and drawn-out firefight on the train tracks just outside it. (This fight also led me to realize that the 30-30 Repeater is actually a fairly acceptable replacement for the Flatline & Anvil Receiver, contrary to my previous opinion of it as the worst gun in the game.) My issue is it's always and only ever Fragment that that story ends with when you're playing World's Edge. It's never Skyhook or Big Marge or whatever. Fragment is a gravitational well that sucks the entire map into it, inimical to variety.
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dogstile posted:It wasn't original KC though, it was KC with all the modified loot stuff. They heavily hosed with loot density since then, it wasn't unusual for you to all have two guns and armour going down one of the wings in original skulltown, nutown you'd be lucky to have one dude fully kitted. it wasn't miserable because of the loot density imo
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SKULL.GIF posted:My issue is it's always and only ever Fragment that that story ends with when you're playing World's Edge. It's never Skyhook or Big Marge or whatever. Fragment is a gravitational well that sucks the entire map into it, inimical to variety. The middle of the map always has that kind of gravitational pull. The mistake was putting the most popular POI in the center of the map. Also, why don’t they do the Warzone thing and show the first circle before you drop? That would shrink the effective size of the maps without cutting down variety.
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apparently wraith's tactical is NOT invincible https://streamable.com/17zzye edit: i want to clarify this is my crowning achievement in this game
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TwingeCrag posted:apparently wraith's tactical is NOT invincible Yeah, you can get telefragged by doors/etc in the tac and the ult. It can lead to some fun play where you drop ult in the doorway then tele them with the door if they chase. I assume you can do it with Ash ult but I haven't seen any clips anywhere.
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can you telefrag them into a rampart wall?
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SKULL.GIF posted:Yeah this is it and it's also why I shake my head at people complaining about the loot distribution in Storm Point. It seems to have quieted down as people figured out that SP loot is held in the pillboxes but, and I've posted about this a few times, the scarcity of the loot drives you to not only seek out other squads but also other POIs. This is another angle from which you can see why Fragment is a problem, you don't really need to go anywhere else in World's Edge if you win Fragment, you'll be more or less fully loaded and can just fill holes in from squads you fight after that. Yes, this is fine for ranked play. But for anyone who doesn't actually want to do that poo poo, it means you land at the couple of loot points in the map that has fairly decent loot (there are a couple) and hotdrop fight for it, or you land on the arse end of the map and hope nobody finds you so you can scavenge your way into it. It hasn't fixed the problem and in a month when people work out everyone's just dropping into whatever fragment/estates/capacitor version of this map is, you'll get the same complaint. Only now the map requires overly massive rotations. This is the least fun i've had on a map since release worlds edge during the charge rifle meta.
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