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MJBuddy
Sep 22, 2008

Now I do not know whether I was then a head coach dreaming I was a Saints fan, or whether I am now a Saints fan, dreaming I am a head coach.

runchild posted:

Arenas is always an option for that, and at the moment Control is too.

Yeah I hopped into Control to hit an LMG one tonight and discovered that basically all of the event challenges fire in Control except knockdowns and top 10 finishes so it's basically two Control matches to keep you steady on the day.

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runchild
May 26, 2010

420 smoke 🎨artisanal🍑 melange erryday

Respawn says they’re still working on the input delay issue on (next-gen?) Xboxes. In the meantime I want to reiterate that plugging your controller in to your Xbox seems to fix it.

highme
May 25, 2001


I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!


Squeezed in a single round of Ranked Arenas yesterday. Had to avoid elimination 3 times to, went LLWWLWLWW. I just started playing more with Horizon a couple of weeks ago so this was fun. Ran an R45 w/ a Longbow or Alternator in the second slot.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?

Regrettable posted:

I'm seeing top .82% which is roughly Master level from earlier seasons.



I'm still undecided if this is because its that much harder to rank up or if everyone is just saying "lol gently caress this, this isn't fun" and not playing ranked.

Regrettable
Jan 5, 2010



dogstile posted:

I'm still undecided if this is because its that much harder to rank up or if everyone is just saying "lol gently caress this, this isn't fun" and not playing ranked.

It's really hard to rank up. A buddy of mine who hit master the past couple of seasons has been hardstuck P4 because that's when you get thrown into pred/master lobbies now. I'm sure there are probably less people playing it as well but that's not the main issue.

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

It’s both. It’s hard to rank up for sure, once you hit P4 you’re playing against nothing but former masters, but it’s also an unfun play style.

There’s like 15 minutes of ratting before you get to the small circles and positioning and fighting matter again. If that’s what they’re going for then start shrinking the first and second circles faster so we can skip the waiting.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
I know that at this point i've usually gone and punted myself into plat and i've barely bothered getting into gold, but also i kinda hate storm point so i've not really played at all this season.

Live At Five!
Feb 15, 2008

dogstile posted:

I know that at this point i've usually gone and punted myself into plat and i've barely bothered getting into gold, but also i kinda hate storm point so i've not really played at all this season.

I wonder how many people who usually play ranked are staying away because storm point is poo poo.

Tokubetsu
Dec 18, 2007

Love Is Not Enough
as bad as everyone dropping fragment is on olympus, ever single game of storm point feels the same. Like the whole match follows the same beats. Once you make it out of fragment an olympus match can go anyway but storm point feels like there are no surprises.

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.

Tokubetsu posted:

as bad as everyone dropping fragment is on olympus, ever single game of storm point feels the same. Like the whole match follows the same beats. Once you make it out of fragment an olympus match can go anyway but storm point feels like there are no surprises.

Did you mean World's Edge?

Or this this a joke about Estates/Energy Depot, because both are valid Fragment a-likes on Olympus.

Tokubetsu
Dec 18, 2007

Love Is Not Enough
Yeah I meant WE sorry

Evil Kit
May 29, 2013

I'm viable ladies.

As a Storm Point enjoyer (am sucker for tropical aesthetic) it absolutely has faults, but it's also nice that you can land somewhere that isn't even slightly hotdrop adjacent and still have a decent chunk of the server still alive by the end of ring 1. You can always land rear end end of course and not see anyone till final fight but you can do that on any map really, on SP it just takes a nice chunk longer.

Reek
Nov 3, 2002

every.fucking.year.
Storm Point owns

MJBuddy
Sep 22, 2008

Now I do not know whether I was then a head coach dreaming I was a Saints fan, or whether I am now a Saints fan, dreaming I am a head coach.
Storm Point is my favorite map, but all of the maps need a faster round one to move the game along. In other maps the drag is after hot drop and on storm Point it's until mid game when people fight in the crossroad spots.

The first ring could move almost immediately and games would improve a ton for everyone but the newest loot happy player, and it would lean harder into legend skills than generic ability since a higher % of time would be spent doing something.

err
Apr 11, 2005

MJBuddy posted:

Storm Point is my favorite map, but all of the maps need a faster round one to move the game along. In other maps the drag is after hot drop and on storm Point it's until mid game when people fight in the crossroad spots.

The first ring could move almost immediately and games would improve a ton for everyone but the newest loot happy player, and it would lean harder into legend skills than generic ability since a higher % of time would be spent doing something.

some type of Hyper zone pulling would be fun, short matches as people rush to get into zone

Regrettable
Jan 5, 2010



Reek posted:

Storm Point owns

Kild
Apr 24, 2010

Tokubetsu posted:

as bad as everyone dropping fragment is on olympus, ever single game of storm point feels the same. Like the whole match follows the same beats. Once you make it out of fragment an olympus match can go anyway but storm point feels like there are no surprises.

I find dropping fragment follows the same beat. You die at fragment or you win fragment and then you have to hunt down the 3 squads that didn't drop fragment.

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011
I am extremely sad that the "ring is always closing" mode was forever delayed due to technical issues and they never bothered to test it out, because I think the game needs that for ring 1.

wyoming
Jun 7, 2010

Like a television
tuned to a dead channel.
Storm Point is too large, too many awkward choke points, too much time is spent looking for a fight, that's not really a problem in World's Edge, because everyone drops around fragment.
Also dropping fragment is cool and good.
Storm Point ranked works better than regular, it really just needs a few terrain tweaks, and while not a great map, it's not a bad one.

The only bad map is Kings Canyon ranked.

Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

I am extremely sad that the "ring is always closing" mode was forever delayed due to technical issues and they never bothered to test it out, because I think the game needs that for ring 1.

Always Be Closing has been its own mode and part of others. It's the 'ring shrinks everytime someone dies' that never made it into the game.

wyoming fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Jun 29, 2022

Tetrabor
Oct 14, 2018

Eight points of contact at all times!

MJBuddy posted:

Storm Point is my favorite map, but all of the maps need a faster round one to move the game along. In other maps the drag is after hot drop and on storm Point it's until mid game when people fight in the crossroad spots.

The first ring could move almost immediately and games would improve a ton for everyone but the newest loot happy player, and it would lean harder into legend skills than generic ability since a higher % of time would be spent doing something.

Putting high-level loot on the edges of the map and starting the first ring closure immediately would actually be interesting.

But no, let's all drop Fragment again.

Keito
Jul 21, 2005

WHAT DO I CHOOSE ?

wyoming posted:

The only bad map is Kings Canyon ranked.

KC is the only ranked map with constant action throughout the game so for me it's the only good one. I know many prefer to play hiking simulator for 20 minutes instead of fighting though.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
Kings was fine until they made all the mobility characters ridiculous. Now it's too small

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Stormpoint is too big and I've never understood how BRs keep running into this problem. The same thing happened with PUBG - the original map was too big and then the second map they released was even worse because it was the same size but didn't have water taking up some of the area and so it felt less dense.

tetsuo
May 12, 2001

I am a shaman, magician
I always thought storm point was made with both comp in mind and at least trying to address the "3rd party legends" meme. 15% larger in both dimension and playable space than World's Edge.

Though there's always "the way the map should be played" and "what you get in pubs" - Mill, Cascade Falls and The Wall are where 80% of the lobby lands, which is just the tiniest improvement over everyone dropping Fragment.

Tokubetsu
Dec 18, 2007

Love Is Not Enough

Groovelord Neato posted:

Stormpoint is too big and I've never understood how BRs keep running into this problem. The same thing happened with PUBG - the original map was too big and then the second map they released was even worse because it was the same size but didn't have water taking up some of the area and so it felt less dense.

I think the issue is ppl complain about third parties so they make the maps bigger, then everyone complains about how boring and empty it is. Ppl need to search inside themselves and realize the truth, they just want to play regular old small arena based deathmatch instead.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Make a donut-shaped map and drop everyone on the outside ring. The donut hole unlocks after Ring 2 finishes.

Honestly there's lots of ways to address this problem, they're just unwilling to experiment because all the zoomers throw shrieking meltdown fits over mild changes to gameplay.

Keito
Jul 21, 2005

WHAT DO I CHOOSE ?

dogstile posted:

Kings was fine until they made all the mobility characters ridiculous. Now it's too small

Well yes, Valk being able to take her team and traverse half the map in one skydive is just stupid. That character is just busted in general.

Relyssa
Jul 29, 2012



Keito posted:

Well yes, Valk being able to take her team and traverse half the map in one skydive is just stupid. That character is just busted in general.

I'm amazed there haven't been any substantial Valk nerfs yet. She has basically everything you could ever want in one package.

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!

Relyssa posted:

I'm amazed there haven't been any substantial Valk nerfs yet. She has basically everything you could ever want in one package.

I want to be able to change the launch angle and rocket across the map before crashing into people

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
Storms Point Control should have random prowler attacks.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?

Keito posted:

Well yes, Valk being able to take her team and traverse half the map in one skydive is just stupid. That character is just busted in general.

It's not just valk. Octane pads got buffed too. Pathfinder zips are on a shorter cooldown now too.

Mobility creep is real, valk's a massive problem, but the others have gotten to good for kings, too.

Tokubetsu
Dec 18, 2007

Love Is Not Enough
Meanwhile lifeline out here calling down mid care packages

shut up blegum
Dec 17, 2008


--->Plastic Lawn<---
The drone revive is cool though

Relyssa
Jul 29, 2012



please remove octane from the game, or failing this remove the jump pad thank you and god bless

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


SKULL.GIF posted:

Make a donut-shaped map and drop everyone on the outside ring. The donut hole unlocks after Ring 2 finishes.

Honestly there's lots of ways to address this problem, they're just unwilling to experiment because all the zoomers throw shrieking meltdown fits over mild changes to gameplay.

Yeah it's not an either you get constantly third partied or you go the midgame without any action there gotta be ways to change things around. It's not like they've put out a smaller map or anything.

shut up blegum
Dec 17, 2008


--->Plastic Lawn<---
Ugh, I suck at control. I do like 1k damage/game and have 1 kill and maybe 2 assists? Meanwhile my squadmate who did 1200 damage has 4-5 kills? :confused:

Mr. Fish
Sep 13, 2017

INLAND EMPIRE — This is a team with a lot of past, but little present. And almost no future.

Relyssa posted:

please remove octane from the game, or failing this remove the jump pad thank you and god bless

tildes
Nov 16, 2018
Tried playing warzone for a bit, and I think the rebirth island gimmick would be super fun in apex. You're on a small map with closing zones, as in a BR. But when you die you will start a ~30s respawn timer, which anyone on your squad can accelerate by a few seconds at a time by getting kills. If your whole squad is dead at once, you die, but otherwise you can keep respawning until the very end zone, at which point it becomes like a normal BR until the end. It gave a really good mix of encouraging a lot more action and fighting, while still keeping some of the fun tactics/strategy which you only really get in BRs.

shut up blegum posted:

Ugh, I suck at control. I do like 1k damage/game and have 1 kill and maybe 2 assists? Meanwhile my squadmate who did 1200 damage has 4-5 kills? :confused:

yeah damage is tricky like that, I run into this often as well. You can definitely end up winging a bunch of people for ~100 damage each and never finishing your kills, or losing the duel right after. Usually for me this happens when I'm taking more fights at range and not successfully running people down. Sort of why you want to look at both kills and damage ideally I think.

Tokubetsu
Dec 18, 2007

Love Is Not Enough
You should be using control to get your wingman longbow time up.

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Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

I suck at this game. In duos or triples, I'll get like 90-400 damage a game. Maybe 1-2 assists, usually 0 kills.

What's the fastest way to get better?

Just grind the deathmatch so I can practice aiming and clicking?

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