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Mar 29, 2021 15:32
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Early game you really reduce RNG with Loba. You arrive at a second potentially contested POI and from cover you can yank that purple shield and the purple light mag. Late game you can have instant shield swaps and also can pull batts out of the pile of death boxes.
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Mar 29, 2021 15:33
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Chemmy posted:Early game you really reduce RNG with Loba. You arrive at a second potentially contested POI and from cover you can yank that purple shield and the purple light mag. Everything you've described is more or less useless in a fight. Dropping smart means you can pretty well overcome rng load out trash and If you have time to set down a loba ult and use it to swap or get bats and the other team doesn't punish you, it's not that loba was good, it's that they were bad. You know what else let's me swap and get bats from death boxes? My legs. I can I do it safer, quicker and stealthier in almost any situation other than a very select few edge cases. If Loba is your favorite character, you should really try games like Call of Duty, you can get your favorite load out every time on spawn! Skyarb fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Mar 29, 2021 |
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Mar 29, 2021 15:36
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Daztek posted:every legend but horizon is bad 
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Mar 29, 2021 15:38
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Skyarb posted:Everything you've described is more or less useless in a fight. Dropping smart means you can pretty well overcome rng load out trash and If you have time to set down a loba ult and use it to swap or get bats and the other team doesn't punish you, it's not that loba was good, it's that they were bad. This is ridiculous
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Mar 29, 2021 15:40
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Skyarb posted:You know what else let's me swap and get bats from death boxes? My legs. I can I do it safer, quicker and stealthier in almost any situation other than a very select few edge cases. Good luck doing this in ranked final circles. I agree she's not optimal, but honestly i'd much rather have her than another wraith at that point in the game.
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Mar 29, 2021 15:42
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wa27 posted:This is ridiculous I'm traumatized by Loba pubbies don't @me
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Mar 29, 2021 15:43
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I'll post some other Loba tricks I use that give her some benefit I don't think you're considering. 1. You can drain the entire area of ammo by picking up all of one type, then replacing it in your bag with another type, and so on. All of the ammo will end up on the ground in a hidden corner. Half the benefit of Loba is getting loot, the other half is bogarting it from the enemies. 2. It complements a bunker team with Watson or Caustic since you don't need to leave your enclosed space to resupply. 3. You own every Care Package and can get the loot from safety. For example, steal a Kraber, then kill the people who were running to it. 4. You can drop next to explosive holds or vaults to steal all the golds from them in early game. Some spots on Kings Canyon are within range of 2 explosive holds are once, so you can get 4 gold items within a minute of dropping.
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Mar 29, 2021 15:47
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xtal posted:I'll post some other Loba tricks I use that give her some benefit I don't think you're considering. Though these are good, specifically #1, I'd still prefer literally any other legend to both play as and as a teammate. Even in spite of getting all the best loot, lobas are consistently dropping pathetic numbers in my games. And anyone who is very very good with Loba, I bet they would do even better as someone else in the long run. Of course maxing damage and winning games isn't the only metric for fun
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Mar 29, 2021 15:51
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Skyarb posted:Though these are good, specifically #1, I'd still prefer literally any other legend to both play as and as a teammate. Even in spite of getting all the best loot, lobas are consistently dropping pathetic numbers in my games. And anyone who is very very good with Loba, I bet they would do even better as someone else in the long run. Of course maxing damage and winning games isn't the only metric for fun Bad players using Loba does not make Loba a bad character.
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Mar 29, 2021 15:56
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I honestly don't think Loba would be busted if her tactical was literally a point and click instant teleport. Everything else in her kit is good in a strategic sense, but not fight-changing.
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Mar 29, 2021 15:59
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wa27 posted:Bad players using Loba does not make Loba a bad character. Good players playing loba also don't make loba a good character. Her underwhelming ability to change active fights make her a bad player.
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Mar 29, 2021 16:01
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Also, I've never done this before, but I want to experiment with using Black Market to body block or shield. It only has 100 hp but you can use it to block doors or briefly block corridors as it can't be ran through (bunker on king's canyon springs to mind) especially if you are just trying to separate a team from a downed teammate. edit: Oh, and anyone, even your team, can shoot black market to death. So if your team is dilly dallying and you don't want to sit next to them to collapse it, you can get a headstart and then take a few shots at it from far away. xtal fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Mar 29, 2021 |
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Mar 29, 2021 16:02
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xtal posted:Also, I've never done this before, but I want to experiment with using Black Market to body block or shield. It only has 100 hp but you can use it to block doors or briefly block corridors as it can't be ran through (bunker on king's canyon springs to mind) especially if you are just trying to separate a team from a downed teammate. It'd probably work. Speaking of can watson ult block?
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Mar 29, 2021 16:04
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Skyarb posted:Good players playing loba also don't make loba a good character. Her underwhelming ability to change active fights make her a bad player. High ground on demand is very good. The problem is horizon exists and has that on an incredibly short tactical, for an entire team. Please delete horizon. xtal posted:Also, I've never done this before, but I want to experiment with using Black Market to body block or shield. It only has 100 hp but you can use it to block doors or briefly block corridors as it can't be ran through (bunker on king's canyon springs to mind) especially if you are just trying to separate a team from a downed teammate. I do this all the time. Surprised more people don't. Skyarb posted:It'd probably work. Speaking of can watson ult block? Yes
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Mar 29, 2021 16:05
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There are a lot of ways to fix Horizon's tactical, I don't know why they're faffing around with cooldown lengths and dragging their feet. Off the top of my head: aim penalty (a la Pathfinder zipline), narrower column (reduces strafe spam), slower lift speed, shorter column, auto-ejects you at the top, etc.
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Mar 29, 2021 16:06
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dogstile posted:High ground on demand is very good. Octane, pathfinder, to a certain extent wraith too.
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Mar 29, 2021 16:07
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Maybe Horizon's win rate isn't high enough to justify a nerf I think it's okay to have a character with a high skill ceiling. It's really not that easy to use Horizon, we all just think it is because we've been playing the game every day for 2 years
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Mar 29, 2021 16:13
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Like I'm constantly killing Horizons that try to get cute, and I don't see her on the champion screen significantly more than other legends Related, why does literally every squad I'm in have an Octane
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Mar 29, 2021 16:15
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Skyarb posted:Octane, pathfinder, to a certain extent wraith too. They're on ults. Simone Magus posted:Maybe Horizon's win rate isn't high enough to justify a nerf Her competitive pickrate has surpassed wraith, the previous way to loving good character. Simone Magus posted:Related, why does literally every squad I'm in have an Octane Oh and this is because he's really good now, to the point where they're gonna nerf him.
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Mar 29, 2021 16:19
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dogstile posted:They're on ults. Octane and pathfinders ults charge about as fast as lobas tactical. Edit: I just looked it up, loba tac: 30 seconds. Octane pad: 60 seconds. Pathfinder zip: 120 seconds. SO ok lobas tac is a bit faster.
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Mar 29, 2021 16:20
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I just realized that I never use Loba's tactical ability when I play as her. Maybe I just love shopping and I can't bear the idea of throwing away a perfectly good bracelet.
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Mar 29, 2021 16:21
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dogstile posted:Her competitive pickrate has surpassed wraith, the previous way to loving good character.  holy poo poo, I had no idea
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Mar 29, 2021 16:22
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Simone Magus posted:Maybe Horizon's win rate isn't high enough to justify a nerf I would vastly rather Horizon's tac be less powerful and on a reasonably quick cooldown than them jacking it up to something ridiculous like 40 second cooldown.
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Mar 29, 2021 16:24
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drat you really do hate loba huh
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Mar 29, 2021 16:24
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Yellow Yoshi posted:drat you really do hate loba huh The only thing I hate more is ttv wraiths who immediately dc after taking a fight they would never win miles away from the team
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Mar 29, 2021 16:26
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SKULL.GIF posted:I would vastly rather Horizon's tac be less powerful and on a reasonably quick cooldown than them jacking it up to something ridiculous like 40 second cooldown. Completely rework her tactical to be "Jumpjet Jump", with a very short cooldown but all it does is launch her up about twice the height of a regular jump rather than sticking around for your whole team to use
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Mar 29, 2021 16:50
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Simone Magus posted:
Yeah, according to a dev post on reddit from January she has the highest winrate.
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Mar 29, 2021 16:52
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Just make Horizon's tactical auto-eject you at the top. It shouldn't have any use as a stable platform to fire from, or as an emergency way to heal in the middle of a field with no cover. I really like her cooldown being low and using multiple lifts during a fight.
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Mar 29, 2021 17:00
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TheDemon posted:I honestly don't think Loba would be busted if her tactical was literally a point and click instant teleport. Everything else in her kit is good in a strategic sense, but not fight-changing. Just make it act like a translocator grenade. Idk why they don't, it already has a 30s cooldown. If they dont want it to be a free escape then they can just put a delay on when you can teleport to it.
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Mar 29, 2021 17:12
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Mar 29, 2021 18:11
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hotfix dropped, nothing exciting just bugfixes https://twitter.com/Respawn/status/1376593057857044482
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Mar 29, 2021 18:28
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I use loba to rat when I get bugged into a solo group, just for stealing good stuff quickly and getting out. There are way more useful characters every other time though. Lately I've been finding how fun revenant is especially for getting reluctant groups to push. It's like, "here, go nuts and if you die it's no biggie and if you win, whoop"
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Mar 29, 2021 18:33
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Just won a round with Loba (I was randomed) playing with a very aggro Octane/Revenant duo.  Every time we bounced into an enemy team I'd drop black market afterwards, we'd refill without needing to scramble all over, then go on to the next squad. I feel like gun balance is in a really good spot right now, but I think part of that is I seem to have gotten over a skill hump and got to the point where I can one- or two-clip most enemies down with almost every gun. The 30-30 feels a little underpowered compared to the Scout and the Anvil guns. The Sentinel is godawful. Everything else I can find a decent use for. I still want an energy pistol.
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Mar 29, 2021 18:39
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Did we ever get any leaks regarding the teased Sentinel hop-up, or anything? Having a hop-up that gives Disruptor rounds the ability to disable heals temporarily would be pretty strong, I think. Or a temporary max shield decrease? Something in that vein would do wonders for the Sentinel.
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Mar 29, 2021 18:46
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Leaks say the Sentinel hop-up will be "Marksman's Tempo" - increases fire rate / rechamber rate on successful shots
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Mar 29, 2021 18:49
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SKULL.GIF posted:Just won a round with Loba (I was randomed) playing with a very aggro Octane/Revenant duo. The only use case I've had for Sentinel is helping my teammate do 1v1s from a distance. The fire rate is way too slow to secure a kill by yourself. But if you can land 1 shot on them, it will do enough damage to secure the win for your teammate. edit: I guess the opposite use case is also true: finishing off people who are trying to run away and heal. xtal fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Mar 29, 2021 |
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Mar 29, 2021 18:57
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repiv posted:Leaks say the Sentinel hop-up will be "Marksman's Tempo" - increases fire rate / rechamber rate on successful shots Oh that's a nice one, I never would have bumped up against that idea! Any good concept for a hop-up would introduce a way to work around that limitation by either making the singular shots overwhelmingly strong or by decreasing the downtime. This nicely preserves the gun's identity. xtal posted:The only use case I've had for Sentinel is helping my teammate do 1v1s from a distance. The fire rate is way too slow to secure a kill by yourself. But if you can land 1 shot on them, it will do enough damage to secure the win for your teammate. I have ruined a lot of Octane's escape plans with the Sentinel, it is weirdly good at tracking their arcs, for a sniper. My favorite Apex memory is still that one time I managed to land a mostly-unintentional 400m Longbow headshot on a stimmed Octane that was sliding down one of those crazy long inclines on King's Canyon, back in Season 1. The random kid pubbie spectating me was going ape on the mic  Or that time our squad was parked on some high walls while the lone remaining enemy, an Octane, was zipping from cover to cover between those lil buttes as we threw potshots with snipers, ending with him throwing a jump pad and hurtling toward us as we simultaneously lined up midair shots on him... shooting Octanes is fun, is what I'm saying
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Mar 29, 2021 21:26
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Skyarb posted:Loba is a bad character anyway that encourages all of the wrong kind of play. This is trivially true for most, if not all, of the legends tho. Wraith and lifeline encourage over aggressive play and poor positioning in the mid-late game because they have fast reposition abilities. Lifeline encourages passive play so you can actually use her passive. Bloodhound reduces the need for situational awareness.
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Mar 29, 2021 21:41
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Bloodhound's problem is that they're too cool, which makes other players jealous of you Please update their heirloom though because they are my main, and the heirloom is old, and Octane's is way way cooler, so when (if) it ever comes time to choose it's going to really loving suck
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