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fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012

Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.




Wedge Regret

MJeff posted:

I don't remember if it was SVU or vanilla the other time they did it as part of a mob storyline, but I remember because the mob defense attorney cause he was that big, fat John Goodman lookin' dude that they only trot out when they need a really, REALLY contemptible defense attorney.

SVU, I think his name is Callahan or something. IIRC, that guy only started showing up once Benson was in command.

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Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

With how much time all the capital-D Drama takes up, I'm not actually sure that this six episode miniseries is going to have more than a regular episode's worth of story.

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

The M stands for MURDERHAWK

fartknocker posted:

SVU, I think his name is Callahan or something. IIRC, that guy only started showing up once Benson was in command.

https://lawandorder.fandom.com/wiki/John_Buchanan

This dude.

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

The M stands for MURDERHAWK

Huh.

That's.

Actually a pretty interesting wrinkle.

Also, both Gina and foreign guy made it to the end of the episode!

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012

Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.




Wedge Regret

Yeah, that guy!

Anyway, next week were gonna find out Kathy Stabler was secretly a drug kingpin or something.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

MJeff posted:

Also, both Gina and foreign guy made it to the end of the episode!

I am surprised

MorrisBae
Jan 18, 2020

by Athanatos


fartknocker posted:

Yeah, that guy!

Anyway, next week were gonna find out Kathy Stabler was secretly a drug kingpin or something.

lol only way Stabler can get over his wife and start boning Liv is by making his dead wife a dirty criminal

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

The M stands for MURDERHAWK

fartknocker posted:

Yeah, that guy!

Anyway, next week we’re gonna find out Kathy Stabler was secretly a drug kingpin or something.

At that point go full insanity and just have her still be alive because they induced fake death and then swapped her body out or something and have her be like, the secret boss above Dylan McDermott.

HOLY FUCK
Mar 31, 2007

How does that make you feel?




I hate being on the West Coast, I was watching the post count for this thread go up like poo poo WHO DIED NOW

All the awkward Rollins/Carisi tension is killing me and now Carisi finally got a date with someone after like 6 years or however long hes been on the show and I bet hes going to keep cancelling on her for Rollins. Also lmao at her dad giving her some Nice Guy speech while hes on his possible deathbed

And the mask inconsistency has always been terrible in SVU but jesus was it ever bad in this episode, the hospital scenes were the worst

The Kathy Stabler reveal is kind of intriguing but yeah, idk if its enough to do another two hour special. going to watch it anyway though, hahaha

HOLY FUCK
Mar 31, 2007

How does that make you feel?




MJeff posted:

At that point go full insanity and just have her still be alive because they induced fake death and then swapped her body out or something and have her be like, the secret boss above Dylan McDermott.

also I want this to happen please

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Greetings from Asbury Park

fartknocker posted:

Much like crazy restaurant lady, I'm also wondering why nobody seems to be wearing their mask in the SVUniverse.

The real answer is that nobody wants to watch tv where all the actors faces are covered by masks, it's the same reason why superheroes are constantly removing their masks or helmets in movies.

So either you ignore covid like most shows, or you make a half-hearted effort to acknowledge it like SVU does, it's silly but there really isn't any alternative.

The Notorious ZSB
Apr 19, 2004

I SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA BE FUCKING SUCK THIS YEAR!!!


Someone spoiler whatever this drama with Mrs Stabler is cause I sure as hell couldn't make it through the second episode.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!



The Notorious ZSB posted:

Someone spoiler whatever this drama with Mrs Stabler is cause I sure as hell couldn't make it through the second episode.

At the end of this week's episode, Stabler learns that he wasn't the target of the car bomb, his wife was.

YeahTubaMike
Mar 24, 2005

*hic* Gotta finish thish . . .


Doctor Rope

I have too many opinions about last week's shows, and I'm not going to try to keep it short because this is the internet. I don't know how many line breaks to make because I don't remember the last time I wrote a post that was more than like three sentences long, so bear with me.

What I truly disliked about the SVU episode is that it combined my least favorite things -- Rollins/Carisi teasing bullshit, and a COVID-centric A-plot. SVU is a show filled with horrifying plotlines, acts of violence, and so on, but COVID is just...I don't know. It's not something I want to think about that much when I'm watching TV. I'm already surrounded by reminders of it, I don't need/want it in my entertainment too. Anyway, I'm so loving over Benson the superhero. It seems like she's everywhere, directly involved with every case all the time, no matter what the case is about. Everyone around her either acts like a bumbling idiot or reveres Liv like a goddess. There is no reason that she should have been able to talk Vanessa out of shooting the broker right in the drat chest -- all she wanted was to prevent him from taking the key to her restaurant. She could have shot him and taken it; that would have been a crazy ill-thought thing to do, but she had lost her drat mind so it would have made perfect sense.

Also, Carisi/Nicole is giving me a very uncomfortable Jim/Karen from The Office vibe. After pining after Rollins, he gets himself a nice beautiful girlfriend who he's compatible with and makes sense with, while Rollins remains single. Everyone around Rollins thinks that they're together because cHeMiStRy or whatever. I hope Carisi is moving on, rather than "settling". And yet, I could totally see him dropping Nicole like a sack of potatoes the second that Rollins gives him the time of day. All that said, I really liked Rollins's dad's trashy Maury show wife.

So, about OC: that giant rear end explosion just emphasized how EXTREMELY DEAD Kathy should have been after getting car-bombed. In the hospital, she looked like she fell while rollerblading or something, and she ended up dying from INTERNAL injuries. They should have had to identify her burnt rear end by dental records. Anyway, Gina is going to die horribly. First of all, she knows she's being spied on -- wouldn't it occur to her that it would look extremely suspicious if she suddenly went completely dark, especially since his goons already tried to follow her? Second of all, flirting with her boyfriend's dad is...gauche, to say the least, no matter what kind of intel she's trying to get, and I'd think that Richard would be suspicious of her flirtation if not outright murderously furious that this woman is betraying his (alleged -- the "at least I THINK he's my son" line was loving hilarious) son. He isn't exactly a pacifist. This is the first episode of OC that actually made me curious about what was going to happen next so I think I might officially be hooked on this show. It was only a matter of time.

Side notes:
- Gina's dress was cute except for the weird puffy sleeve parts.
- Why the gently caress would a hacker expect to be able to use a train's Wi-Fi to do anything at all, let alone stealing information? I hate this Abby from NCIS/Garcia from Criminal Minds clone. At least Garcia and only Garcia has some kind of chemistry with the rest of the ensemble; this hacker girl is just there to be personality-less and "cool". Ugh.
- Eli is the milkman's son, right? Because like... Kathy & Elliot were two lily-white light-eyed Irish Catholics with four lily-white light-eyed children & the swarthy Eli "Joseph Gribble" Stabler, and seeing the whole family in the same room for that intervention made the difference in appearance even more obvious.

edit:
My mom & I will text each other if an episode with Buchanan is on. He is so loving awesome.

MorrisBae posted:

lol only way Stabler can get over his wife and start boning Liv is by making his dead wife a dirty criminal

The "I love you" from Stabler was so...weird. I judged the awkwardness as Stabler just becoming even more unhinged as he tries to be vulnerable, but I know all these Benson/Stabler shippers are going to blow it out of proportion. Benson & Stabler should be just friends forever, and the kids should only ever think of her as their cool auntie.

HOLY gently caress posted:

All the awkward Rollins/Carisi tension is killing me and now Carisi finally got a date with someone after like 6 years or however long hes been on the show and I bet hes going to keep cancelling on her for Rollins. Also lmao at her dad giving her some Nice Guy speech while hes on his possible deathbed

I understand why he wouldn't leave his best friend alone at the hospital while her father was dying, but ugh. At least they didn't do the classic "comfort makeout" thing at the end.

YeahTubaMike fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Apr 24, 2021

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!



I feel you on a lot of points, YTM, but for me this show (OC) is hanging on by a thread; I honestly think the only reason I watch it is because it's on after SVU and I don't have to change the channel.

I think part of the reason it isn't clicking for me is that Stabler Family Drama was the absolute worst part of the first twelve seasons of SVU, so having an eight-episode series with Stabler Family Drama as its core or throughline just automatically makes me yawn. The supporting cast also really isn't doing much for me, either. But ultimately, this just doesn't feel like a Law & Order to me. No doink-doink with setting cards, very whack-rear end and overly emotional music, and a strange cipher of a villain. I mean, it's only eight episodes, so I'll finish the run out of laziness if nothing else, but if it gets another season, I would really hope it sees a retooling as extreme--or more--as what Los Angeles got.

And, man, I can't get over how much the theme is just a slightly microwaved remix of the alternate Criminal Intent intro used for the non-Goren episodes.

CI:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGw2tPecgv8

OC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W3dnmJlvYY

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!


YeahTubaMike posted:

My mom & I will text each other if an episode with Buchanan is on. He is so loving awesome.

The actor had a recurring role on The Wire playing Jay Landsman, the cop used as inspiration for Munch. (The real life Jay Landsman would also get a recurring role in later seasons as a desk sergeant.)

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

The M stands for MURDERHAWK

Just had TURN ON THE SUN on Ion.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!



MJeff posted:

Just had TURN ON THE SUN on Ion.

Gotta love that peak season 7 - 10 insanity. As I recall, 7 opened with Let's Go Do Rape in the Rape Van Because Now Is The Time On Sprockets When We Rape, and had the Lynda Carter / Estella Warren crossover episode, as well as the introduction of Ludacris and the Norman Reedus "lol pills are bad" episode, and I think that year has the episode with neo-Nazis and Munch getting shot in the rear end. 8 gave us Benson going undercover with ecoterrorists, Connie Nielsen as Stabler's partner, Munch's crazy uncle, tons of Stabler Family Bullshit and Benson Brother Bullshit. 9 had Adam Beach and Diane Neal leaving in the same episode like two weeks after Jesse Martin left Vanilla in a very similar episode, Robin Williams as Villain Superman, Jared Harris as Not Hannibal Lecter (No, Seriously, He Really Isn't Hannibal), a whack-rear end episode about a coffee family sleeping with the same woman, and, of course, TURN ON THE SUN. And season 10, that has Cragen hugging a monkey, Carol Burnett sleeping with her developmentally delayed nephew, Hillary Duff: Anti-Vaxxer, and who can forget Dale Stuckey, CSU tech legend?

God, that show got so batshit insane under Neal Baer.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Greetings from Asbury Park

YeahTubaMike posted:

Also, Carisi/Nicole is giving me a very uncomfortable Jim/Karen from The Office vibe. After pining after Rollins, he gets himself a nice beautiful girlfriend who he's compatible with and makes sense with, while Rollins remains single. Everyone around Rollins thinks that they're together because cHeMiStRy or whatever. I hope Carisi is moving on, rather than "settling". And yet, I could totally see him dropping Nicole like a sack of potatoes the second that Rollins gives him the time of day.

I get the feeling that Carisis relationship with Nicole ended during that same episode, after the way she acted.
But I agree that it feels really weird for the show to go back to the Rollins relationship so many years later.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
crazy people don't like me

I've been reluctant to watch the Organized Crime spin off because

A) SVU is just not good anymore. I truly gave up after their weird Joker-eque Liv bad guy arc.
B) Police climate in the US right now and what Stabler kinda represents to that.

Is it any good?

Also, someone on page 1 mentioned blue bloods. What I always appreciated about Law and Order is that they aren't afraid to show that cops are also super lovely and corrupt. Blue Bloods is basically nazi propaganda.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Mooseontheloose posted:

I've been reluctant to watch the Organized Crime spin off because

A) SVU is just not good anymore. I truly gave up after their weird Joker-eque Liv bad guy arc.
B) Police climate in the US right now and what Stabler kinda represents to that.

Is it any good?

Also, someone on page 1 mentioned blue bloods. What I always appreciated about Law and Order is that they aren't afraid to show that cops are also super lovely and corrupt. Blue Bloods is basically nazi propaganda.

It's not particularly good but it's a trip. Of the first four episodes so far, I'd almost say it's worth watching the first episode and then just dropping it.

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

The M stands for MURDERHAWK

Lemme put it this way.

Organized Crime will not scratch your Law & Order itch. But it will scratch your Elliot Stabler itch, if you happen to have one, with all the good and bad that entails. The bad mostly being his horrible family.

J-Spot
May 6, 2002



I didn't realize SVU wasn't airing at its normal time tonight and just spent 10 minutes watching Manifest thinking it was the strangest L&O cold opening ever.

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

The M stands for MURDERHAWK

Oh, is there no OC this week?

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

MJeff posted:

Oh, is there no OC this week?

On my schedule it's an SVU rerun and no OC.

HOLY FUCK
Mar 31, 2007

How does that make you feel?




Looks like the same thing is happening next week as well according to the NBC website, weird. Has anyone even watched The Manifest? Ive heard absolutely nobody say anything about it, positive or negative.

I guess the week after we get both shows back again and that crossover episode?

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

The M stands for MURDERHAWK

Robin Williams Supervillain episode is on Ion right now. He is so, so, so great in this whacky-rear end episode.

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012

Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.




Wedge Regret

MJeff posted:

Robin Williams Supervillain episode is on Ion right now. He is so, so, so great in this whacky-rear end episode.

The last few episodes of that season are nuts between that, the defense attorney throwing herself and the client shes obsessed with off the roof of the DAs building, and then the last episode with Lake shooting people and Novak getting in trouble.

YeahTubaMike
Mar 24, 2005

*hic* Gotta finish thish . . .


Doctor Rope

fartknocker posted:

The last few episodes of that season are nuts between that, the defense attorney throwing herself and the client shes obsessed with off the roof of the DAs building, and then the last episode with Lake shooting people and Novak getting in trouble.

Both of those episodes were on last night, and both of them were delightful

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
crazy people don't like me

fartknocker posted:

The last few episodes of that season are nuts between that, the defense attorney throwing herself and the client shes obsessed with off the roof of the DAs building, and then the last episode with Lake shooting people and Novak getting in trouble.

are those SPEED WEED episodes?

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012

Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.




Wedge Regret

YeahTubaMike posted:

Both of those episodes were on last night, and both of them were delightful

Yeah, Ion on Saturdays shows SVU in chronological order, so they just finished season 9 and started season 10. Its one of my go to options for background noise/light, although their HD channel always seems to glitch out and freeze for some reason.

Mooseontheloose posted:

are those SPEED WEED episodes?

Nah, I think SPEED WEED is a few years later.

HOLY FUCK
Mar 31, 2007

How does that make you feel?




drat, I need to go back and watch some older seasons, Ive missed a lot of SVU before season 11.

One thing from more recent episodes of SVU that Ive enjoyed: the past few times theyve investigated a crime that happened on a porn site or an app the owner has been played by John Waters. I dont even think it was the same character either since I dont think the other characters recognized him as the same guy iirc. Kind of hope that its just him every time and nobody notices that all the porn site owners look exactly the same



edit: poo poo, sorry that image was so huge, phoneposting

HOLY FUCK fucked around with this message at 21:03 on May 2, 2021

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

The M stands for MURDERHAWK

fartknocker posted:

The last few episodes of that season are nuts between that, the defense attorney throwing herself and the client shes obsessed with off the roof of the DAs building, and then the last episode with Lake shooting people and Novak getting in trouble.

In the world of goofy-rear end one-season detectives, who is the champion, Lake or Cassidy?

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
crazy people don't like me

MJeff posted:

In the world of goofy-rear end one-season detectives, who is the champion, Lake or Cassidy?

Lake was competent and Adam Beach is actually a decent actor. Cassidy...was neither.

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012

Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.




Wedge Regret

Wait, who are we talking about, Brian Cassidy from SVU or Nina Cassady from L&O? Brian at least was mildly interesting both in season 1 and when he showed up a billion years later as an undercover. Nina was just not good.

Wasnt Dodds in just one season too? He was kinda but not bad at his job that I remember.

HOLY FUCK
Mar 31, 2007

How does that make you feel?




I liked Cassidy too, his undercover stuff and trying to come back from loving up and getting demoted made him interesting although i think his relationship with Benson felt a little weird. Definitely wasn't dull, though. I think you're right about Dobbs being there for one season, seemed like a competent but boring dude.

also for ADAs: i forgot Peter Stone who was on for like one season until Carisi took over. that was fairly recently too! i can barely remember anything about him

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

HOLY gently caress posted:

I liked Cassidy too, his undercover stuff and trying to come back from loving up and getting demoted made him interesting although i think his relationship with Benson felt a little weird. Definitely wasn't dull, though. I think you're right about Dobbs being there for one season, seemed like a competent but boring dude.

also for ADAs: i forgot Peter Stone who was on for like one season until Carisi took over. that was fairly recently too! i can barely remember anything about him

Peter Stone's characterization of "extremely ripped former MLB player." In one of the earlier episodes of his run, it opens with him being melancholy during a threesome.

HOLY FUCK
Mar 31, 2007

How does that make you feel?




Hand Knit posted:

Peter Stone's characterization of "extremely ripped former MLB player." In one of the earlier episodes of his run, it opens with him being melancholy during a threesome.

Oh poo poo, now I remember! That scene was ridiculous

And then there was a sad storyline with his sister being in a psych ward and his self-destructive spiral into drinking and more sad sex scenes

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012

Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.




Wedge Regret

Yeah, Im pretty sure the sad threesome is the start of the episode/season after his sister got machine gunned in front of him and hed fallen into the heavy drinking and partying.

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Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!



HOLY gently caress posted:

also for ADAs: i forgot Peter Stone who was on for like one season until Carisi took over. that was fairly recently too! i can barely remember anything about him

Peter Stone was an odd duck. I have a lot of respect for the actor--Philip Winchester uprooted his entire family from Oregon to Chicago because he was so strongly committed to Chicago Justice and felt it would have a long run ... and then it got canceled after thirteen episodes. He then moved to New York to do SVU, but eventually quit after two seasons because he's a committed family man, and they had moved back to Oregon (hated the midwest winter). But the character of Stone himself was just ... man, talk about a cipher, he was essentially whatever was needed for the given episode.

Edit: And, yeah, Organized Crime is only eight episodes, so they're bringing it back in mid-May to align with sweeps.

Timby fucked around with this message at 22:52 on May 2, 2021

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