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Mike Works posted:I will never. 
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Anderson rules so much
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right, time to win it at home.
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Jul 6, 2021 03:10
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Worst finals team of the century suck my ballllllllls
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This should so not be going 5 games.
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Lol @ the shot of that Tampa fan and his daugher.
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Jul 6, 2021 03:11
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You had a four minute PP.  Now we have another NBC game. 
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aejix posted:gently caress yeah, awesome finish. Pity Tampa are still going to rewarded for such hilariously blatant salary cap cheating but whatever, iTs NoT aGaInSt ThE rUlEs Could you (or someone else) explain this?
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Jul 6, 2021 03:12
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the Habs PK deserves some sort of collective trophy
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CobwebMustardseed posted:Could you (or someone else) explain this? Tampa had a player come back from injury and played them. This is, apparently, cheating.
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CobwebMustardseed posted:Could you (or someone else) explain this? Kucherov took the regular season off, and came back for the playoffs. Tampa still had a full salary capped roster before he returned, but the cap doesn't matter in the playoffs.
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CBJSprague24 posted:Now we have another NBC game. At least it doesn't have Mike Milbury
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https://mobile.twitter.com/SamiZayn/status/1412247500480671749 an update from our new friend
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I missed the goal because I had to urgently take a dump. I said to myself, if tampa scores I don't want to see it, and if montreal scores I'll be happy it happened. Anyway clearly this means I need to chug laxatives and spend the entirety of game 5 on the can.
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Jul 6, 2021 03:14
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one game is Tampa loving up and having a bad night, but two games? if they don't win the next one even if they win the series that's an absolute meltdown after Montreal's play in the first three
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Jul 6, 2021 03:15
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does this mean Roy's forgiven Montreal? 
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CobwebMustardseed posted:Could you (or someone else) explain this? Players on Long Term Injured Reserve (ie you're injured for more than a few weeks) don't count against the salary cap until they're clear to return to play. Once the playoffs start, the salary cap doesn't really matter as players can't get waived or traded to other teams. Tampa Bay's best player was "injured" for the entire season and thus his nearly $10 million didn't count against the salary cap. He actually was legitimately injured, but whether or not it was for the entire season is what's up for debate. Because he was "injured", Tampa didn't have to worry about his $10 million cap hit when it came to the rest of their roster. Kucherov was miraculously healthy when the playoffs began, meaning Tampa was effectively icing a team that was nearly $10 million over the salary cap in the playoffs. Kucherov is the clear point leader in the playoffs with 32 points. The next closest player is his teammate Braydon Point, who has 23. So was he really too injured to play in the final weeks of the season, given that he's now suddenly the best player in the playoffs? That's part of what's up for debate. It's pretty clear horseshit what Tampa did, and I've only seen Tampa fans defending it. Regardless of who wins the cup, they should be retroactively punished going forward, as the NHL has set that precedent with the Luongo recapture penalty.
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if his injury was cleared before the playoffs the difference between a player at the end of a season versus a fully healthy one going into the playoffs has got to be a big deal too
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CobwebMustardseed posted:Could you (or someone else) explain this? I am going to get some of this wrong but the thrust of it is fine. They put Kucherov, one of the best players on earth, on the LTIR (for a legit injury to be fair). This allowed them to backfill their roster with another $9.5m worth of players for the entire regular season, then reactivate Kucherov in game 1 of the playoffs where he was 100% ready, and where his cap hit doesn't matter. Pretty big advantage right there but then add on the fact So they have juuust enough plausible deniability to handwave away any accusations of cap cheating and *~technically~* they aren't breaking any rules. It's all EXTREMELY convenient timing for them however and anyone saying it hasn't given them any advantage whatsoever is full of poo poo. On the other hand, the extent of the advantage gained is probably exaggerated. So whether you get particularly bent out of shape over it or just accept that this is how the world works is an exercise for the reader. It's the entertainment industry at the end of the day Vvvv this makes a much better point of the extremely concrete advantage they got from their tomfoolery aejix fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Jul 6, 2021 |
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Jul 6, 2021 03:26
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CobwebMustardseed posted:Could you (or someone else) explain this? expanding on this because the key is often overlooked The penalty for exceeding the cap at any point is extremely heavy handed. A team forfeits every game they are over the cap for, they can also face fines in the millions, forfeit draft picks, and apparently even have contracts canceled. The NHL basically said "never ever EVER go over the cap or we're going to turbofuck you". This is why teams sweat so much about squeezing under the cap. Using loopholes to carve out cap space is absolutely part of the game. The big issue when it comes to Tampa is that they didn't have a plan B if Kucherov was able to return during the regular season. Before the season many people speculated they would have to shed salary in some way, Tyler Johnson was expected to be pretty much given away. Because, again, if Kucherov suddenly became ready to play, Tampa would have been completely hosed. You can't just wave a pen and free up cap space. The only way to get rid of a contract is to have another team take it and they would have been absolutely fleeced in any trade they had to make to become cap compliant. The thing with LTIR is that teams aren't supposed to be able to control it. A player comes off LTIR when a doctor clears him to play. It's not up to any team personnel. The whole thing stinks because Tampa clearly planned to have Kucherov sit out the entire regular season, and somehow knew the timing would work out perfectly several months in advance, which shouldn't be possible. Hockey players often come back from injury weeks or even months ahead of schedule.
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The other way to free up cap space is of course to bury contracts in the minors, but you only get up to 1m of relief for that per player. So another option would be to ice a roster of like 14 players. Which obviously wouldn't be a good way to prepare for a playoff run.
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ghosthorse posted:does this mean Roy's forgiven Montreal? Hell he even forgave the coach
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Why is there an exemption for the playoffs for cap space?
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Tochiazuma posted:Why is there an exemption for the playoffs for cap space? Cap hit for the salary cap is calculated daily, and so concludes with the regular season.
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and a third thing -- the NHL has handed out harsh retroactive punishments for cap circumvention that were "technically legal". New Jersey lost a 1st round pick for Kovalchuk's contract (which the league nullified), and they invented a "cap recapture" rule and retroactively applied it to Luongo's contract with Vancouver. So it's not like the league couldn't do something about Tampa too.
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Tochiazuma posted:Why is there an exemption for the playoffs for cap space? The cap is sort of amortized on a per-game basis and is equal for all teams over the season (which is how you can calculate how much to take off in LTIR space over the whole season). The playoffs have different duration for everyone and accounting it would be real weird.
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So just to summarize: 1) The league will absolutely come down on you with the fury of a thousand suns if they think you're cheating the cap. 2) LTIR is not something teams can control, it's decided by a doctor, not the team. 3) Tampa just ducked both those things in broad daylight, super easily!
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It's one of those things that's impossibly convenient and you just probably shouldn't think about it too much!
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I'm out here huggin' random rear end motherfuckers go habs go
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Montreal, it should be noted, pulled similar poo poo at ended up with a 91 million payroll against an 81.5 cap. The Canadiens cheated nearly as hard as the Lightning, but wasted it all on terrible players for a terrible team.
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They showed Brady on the Jumbotron right before the Habs scored so frankly, we deserved to lose.
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Hand Knit posted:Montreal, it should be noted, pulled similar poo poo at ended up with a 91 million payroll against an 81.5 cap. The Canadiens cheated nearly as hard as the Lightning, but wasted it all on terrible players for a terrible team. Notably, Drouin is more than half of that (worth $5.5M) and hasen't played at all. Tomas Tatar played 5 games (all vs Toronto) and is benched and was worth $5.3M as well, so at least most of that money is not on the ice.
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fancy stats posted:I'm out here huggin' random rear end motherfuckers Glad you got to experience the good kind pandemonium.
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MononcQc posted:Notably, Drouin is more than half of that (worth $5.5M) and hasen't played at all. Tomas Tatar played 5 games (all vs Toronto) and is benched and was worth $5.3M as well, so at least most of that money is not on the ice. Tampa has around 9 million tied up in Gaborik and Nilsson. But as the Tatar benching shows, the problem with Montreal isn't that they haven't been cheating, it's that they've been cheating and still suck. Similar to how Toronto pulled the same sort of thing (albeit bringing Andersen back a couple games before the playoffs) and spent their manufactured cap space on Nick Foligno, Riley Nash, Ben Hutton and David Rittich
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Hand Knit posted:Tampa has around 9 million tied up in Gaborik and Nilsson. But as the Tatar benching shows, the problem with Montreal isn't that they haven't been cheating, it's that they've been cheating and still suck. Similar to how Toronto pulled the same sort of thing (albeit bringing Andersen back a couple games before the playoffs) and spent their manufactured cap space on Nick Foligno, Riley Nash, Ben Hutton and David Rittich Just to clarify, you do agree they're cheating and the timing was utter bullshit right, with a big ole mess of whataboutism as a side dish?
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Hand Knit posted:Tampa has around 9 million tied up in Gaborik and Nilsson. But as the Tatar benching shows, the problem with Montreal isn't that they haven't been cheating, it's that they've been cheating and still suck. Similar to how Toronto pulled the same sort of thing (albeit bringing Andersen back a couple games before the playoffs) and spent their manufactured cap space on Nick Foligno, Riley Nash, Ben Hutton and David Rittich Yeah the sort of distinction that's final there is that Tatar was back (and legitimately at cap capacity) for the end of the season. The final cap hit for Montreal is $82,277,688 and they still had $362,435 of space ($1,140,123 was used in LTIR). As per capfriendly, Tampa Bay had $98,840,470 in cap usage via $17,340,469 in LTIR. https://www.capfriendly.com/archive
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