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akadajet
Sep 14, 2003



Cybernetic Vermin posted:

while true it is hard to deny that ibm is the real open source powerhouse, no one does more.

what does ibm even do anymore?

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The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003



akadajet posted:

what does ibm even do anymore?

they own redhat

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003



The_Franz posted:

they own redhat

I did not know that.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



akadajet posted:

I did not know that.

gnome getting renamed Lotus Visual Desktop next release fyi

taco_fox
Dec 14, 2005

Truth is, the game was rigged from the start


you can't like own linux man

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010


Cybernetic Vermin posted:

gnome getting renamed Lotus Visual Desktop next release fyi

they sold everything lotus to hcl

and most of the rational stuff

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005


holy shit this os has cinepak?!?!?




Kernel Sanders posted:

itís coke for european ctoís

even more so than cocaine?

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

while true it is hard to deny that ibm is the real open source powerhouse, no one does more.

i have been legit surprised by how much crap intel has released lately actually

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Beeftweeter posted:

i have been legit surprised by how much crap intel has released lately actually

intel has always been genuinely great on open standards and open source. look back to usb for a lot of really heavy lifting from intel, both in open specifications, hardware implementations released for free, and support for the linux implementation. and that was at a time where they were extremely dominant, and smaller competitors pushed weird proprietary stuff.

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003



Cybernetic Vermin posted:

gnome getting renamed Lotus Visual Desktop next release fyi

they really should do this lmao

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003



make the default gnome password control show hieroglyphics

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005



Nap Ghost

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

intel has always been genuinely great on open standards and open source. look back to usb for a lot of really heavy lifting from intel, both in open specifications, hardware implementations released for free, and support for the linux implementation. and that was at a time where they were extremely dominant, and smaller competitors pushed weird proprietary stuff.

makes perfect sense if they're a hardware monopoly that doesn't want to divide a lucrative pie with a software monopoly

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005


holy shit this os has cinepak?!?!?




they even have a full distro, clear linux, which is actually pretty good? i found out about it when i was compiling a newer mesa for my chromebook like a year ago (and was surprised to find the iris driver was donated)

only thing preventing me from using it really was because i'm a baby that needs apt

mystes
May 31, 2006



https://mobile.twitter.com/jsnover/status/1523010444570419200

Unfortunately they somehow ended up changing their minds.

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

And I'm only saying this because I care.

There are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.




Fun Shoe

lol quoting Peter Thiel
https://twitter.com/jsnover/status/1522931856009687041

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003



mystes posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/jsnover/status/1523010444570419200

Unfortunately they somehow ended up changing their minds.

he voluntarily took a demotion because he didnít want to work on what he was assigned to work on. instead making objectively the worst scripting language the world has ever seen

Armitag3
Mar 15, 2020

Forget it Jake, it's cybertown.



akadajet posted:

he voluntarily took a demotion because he didnít want to work on what he was assigned to work on. instead making objectively the worst scripting language the world has ever seen

javascript was made by brendan eich, op

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005


holy shit this os has cinepak?!?!?




what does that even mean anyway lmao

"future leaders" are almost invariably the ones insufferable enough to fire people for being genuinely courageous because they always think they're right. he just sounds butthurt about being insubordinate

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003



Armitag3 posted:

javascript was made by brendan eich, op

a javascript repl with .net interop would have been better than powershell

mystes
May 31, 2006



PowerShell is kind of "Awful Taste But Great Execution" of a .net unix shell

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003



mystes posted:

PowerShell is kind of "Awful Taste But Great Execution" of a .net unix shell

powershell: the language of choice for those who eat rear end

Armitag3
Mar 15, 2020

Forget it Jake, it's cybertown.



itís pronounced powers hell

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

powershell should just have been the immediate window from visual studio

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004



akadajet posted:

powershell: the language of choice for those who eat rear end

🤔

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003




echi pondering a change in career to windows sysadmin

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004



iím hungry for a career change

Hed
Mar 31, 2004



Fun Shoe

akadajet posted:

make the default gnome password control show hieroglyphics

lmfao

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



mystes posted:

PowerShell is kind of "Awful Taste But Great Execution" of a .net unix shell

yeah. i have never enjoyed using it but still think it is a real good take on this stuff. i can specifically imagine that it is extremely well suited to one of its purposes, being the platform for little commandline dsl's for like exchange and azure,

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005


holy shit this os has cinepak?!?!?




using WSL + mingw i compiled busybox for windows and lol holy moly this blurs the line between using the two even more

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003



Beeftweeter posted:

using WSL + mingw i compiled busybox for windows and lol holy moly this blurs the line between using the two even more

why do you need mingw with wsl?

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005


holy shit this os has cinepak?!?!?




akadajet posted:

why do you need mingw with wsl?

:shrug:

same reason i use wine on wsl, because it's neat to try

also it helps to have a fully posix-ish toolchain instead of visual studio

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

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Beeftweeter posted:

:shrug:

same reason i use wine on wsl, because it's neat to try

also it helps to have a fully posix-ish toolchain instead of visual studio

that is what I use Cygwin in path for

Mingw is better though if you want something redistributable, even if you need a ton of dlls if you're using Cairo or whatever

e: it's fun to run cmd and start typing in posix commands and running linux-native things

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 19:38 on May 9, 2022

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005


holy shit this os has cinepak?!?!?




Private Speech posted:

that is what I use Cygwin in path for

Mingw is better though if you want something redistributable, even if you need a ton of dlls if you're using Cairo or whatever

e: it's fun to run cmd and start typing in posix commands and running linux-native things

cygwin requires the same thing (external libraries) though? and cygwin sucks rear end compared to wsl?

i tried using winelib and winegcc too but i couldn't ever figure out how to get them to work properly

agreed on that last point though. that's why i tried busybox

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.




Beeftweeter posted:

i tried using winelib and winegcc too but i couldn't ever figure out how to get them to work properly

agreed on that last point though. that's why i tried busybox

oh yeah that's obviously alongside wsl/vms, cygwin's just for the windows command line bit

quote:

cygwin requires the same thing (external libraries) though? and cygwin sucks rear end compared to wsl?

I didn't mean Cygwin is better, I meant Cygwin is worse for redistribution/as a compilation environment, might be talking a bit past each other

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 19:56 on May 9, 2022

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011





I read this as some kind of wonderful, terrifying DEC/Microsoft hybrid monstrosity and now I want it

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Kazinsal posted:

I read this as some kind of wonderful, terrifying DEC/Microsoft hybrid monstrosity and now I want it

windows nt already is that dec/microsoft hybrid

e: also everyone admitting to using non-wsl gcc on windows in 2022 is a disgusting deviant

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005


holy shit this os has cinepak?!?!?




Cybernetic Vermin posted:

windows nt already is that dec/microsoft hybrid

e: also everyone admitting to using non-wsl gcc on windows in 2022 is a disgusting deviant

xenix literally ran on VAX

also what about the version of clang that comes with VS :colbert:

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005


holy shit this os has cinepak?!?!?




Private Speech posted:

oh yeah that's obviously alongside wsl/vms, cygwin's just for the windows command line bit

I didn't mean Cygwin is better, I meant Cygwin is worse for redistribution/as a compilation environment, might be talking a bit past each other

lol, use busybox as your cmd interpreter and just call gcc directly or just use wsl + mingw or some clangy equivalent

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.




Beeftweeter posted:

lol, use busybox as your cmd interpreter and just call gcc directly or just use wsl + mingw or some clangy equivalent

cygwin has a bunch of precompiled packages and it's quick and easy

YMMV that's just what I've been doing since before WSL became a public thing

again it's for messing about in windows using linux/posix utils, not as a compilation env, I do use WSL or VMs or docker for that


e: busybox is fine and all but it's a bit finnicky and doesn't integrate as well with windows FS, it's fine for compiling things I guess

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 08:40 on May 10, 2022

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.




that's just me though, everyone has their preferences, it works well enough for my needs

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distortion park
Apr 25, 2011



Didn't realize that the Skype for Business nonsense was still going on
https://twitter.com/thomasforth/status/1523679587888025604?t=sxW2V1vHTTiMy7pxPSRV6g&s=19

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