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infernal machines posted:hypothetically, what if we just reverted to the windows 2000 ui? i think watercolor is a pretty good update on it. it shows it doesn't need to necessarily be that plain without sacrificing functionality
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the watercolor theme does look good, but i'm fine with plain and functional too. i swear, if it could actually bare metal boot windows 2000 on this computer and have a usable system, i would
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Feb 24, 2023 03:51
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yeah that's true. i like a couple of the whistler ui tweaks (some of the explorer stuff, and the login screen and associated modals are cool) but otherwise the theme is just a bunch of overlaid bitmaps i could take or leave the start menu redesign. it never really bothered me but i also don't think it's necessarily better
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Feb 24, 2023 03:53
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i practically never use the start menu only use like 5 pinned apps
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Feb 24, 2023 07:43
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infernal machines posted:hypothetically, what if we just reverted to the windows 2000 ui? an entire generation of UI designers would cry themselves to death because everything doesn't look like a phone app so yeah, not really seeing a downside
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Feb 24, 2023 12:12
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imagine for a moment having an os that didn't spend the first 10 minutes after installation forcing you through signing into "value added" online services, demanding your consent for analytics and ad tracking, and bombarding you with toasts, prompts, and notifications for every single feature like, you installed it, and it was done, and you could just start using it for the things you intended to use your computer for. man, that'd be loving wild. or linux, i guess.
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Feb 24, 2023 14:24
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otoh the fedora ui for installing a driver from diskette is not on gtk4 yet, so linux is kind of pretty bad where it really matters
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Feb 24, 2023 14:31
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infernal machines posted:imagine for a moment having an os that didn't spend the first 10 minutes after installation forcing you through signing into "value added" online services, demanding your consent for analytics and ad tracking, and bombarding you with toasts, prompts, and notifications for every single feature
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Feb 24, 2023 15:12
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infernal machines posted:imagine for a moment having an os that didn't spend the first 10 minutes after installation forcing you through signing into "value added" online services, demanding your consent for analytics and ad tracking, and bombarding you with toasts, prompts, and notifications for every single feature also what if buying a new machine and transferring everything was so seamless you go a decade without even doing initial setup
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Feb 24, 2023 15:34
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Perplx posted:also what if buying a new machine and transferring everything was so seamless you go a decade without even doing initial setup that's OS X
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Feb 24, 2023 15:44
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nobody with modern online service integration has managed that, for security reasons, if nothing else imo that just means that poo poo shouldn't be in the os, but whatever
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Feb 24, 2023 15:46
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Chris Knight posted:that's OS X even osx needs multiple sign-ins and authorizations when doing a profile transfer, and it will still spam the hell out of you with prompts and notifications on first run even if you have transferred a profile
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Feb 24, 2023 15:47
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Chris Knight posted:that's OS X lol no its not
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Feb 24, 2023 15:49
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infernal machines posted:imagine for a moment having an os that didn't spend the first 10 minutes after installation forcing you through signing into "value added" online services, demanding your consent for analytics and ad tracking, and bombarding you with toasts, prompts, and notifications for every single feature Linux  e: Between "accidentally" testing ads in File Explorer and all the other spyware nuisances of 11, it does seem like Microsoft is destroying what's good about Windows in more recent versions, though.
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Feb 24, 2023 16:06
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i actually did some workflow tests just to see what options i have when windows 10 is out of support or i get some hardware that no longer works properly with the windows 10 scheduler. i can do 90-something percent of my daily stuff on linux just fine, with the caveats that gnome and kde are loving terrible and i'd spend a bunch of time making them look less poo poo, and i have to use the web-based versions of office apps. i can do everything i need basically the same way i do now with a windows server install using the desktop experience role, but who knows what state that will be in come 2025
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Feb 24, 2023 16:20
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if "just running some windows" apps is your goal, wine is fine it might not be able to do modern office (i don't know) but it's much much better than it used to be. you can even apply windows xp era visual styles or not, to revert to the win2k ui
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Feb 24, 2023 16:24
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i'd miss the icon dock-like taskbar that they ripped off from apple if they suddenly reverted back to windows 2k ui
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infernal machines posted:i actually did some workflow tests just to see what options i have when windows 10 is out of support or i get some hardware that no longer works properly with the windows 10 scheduler. did you try xfce?
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Feb 24, 2023 16:43
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i've used it before, but not in these specific tests. it's fine, it's also not something i want to use daily for work
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xfce with a windows theme + wine when running apps is pretty much visually and functionally the same as using windows 7 with the classic theme
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i mean, at least you could revert most of that poo poo up until windows 8. windows 7 with most of the visual style bullshit turned off is still quite usable similarly you can configure xfce to behave like windows 2k, xp, 7+ and also turn off most of the compositing poo poo in wine of course the problem is that they kept this functionality (the registry edits are proof), but also completely removed any kind of settings for it
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Feb 24, 2023 17:00
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...literally just realized that's debian that's a pretty good theme. shame it's luna
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Feb 24, 2023 17:02
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i'm just annoyed that there's no longer a desktop workstation version of windows that just lets you use the os without bombarding you with prompts and nags and never ending bullshit bundleware
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Feb 24, 2023 17:09
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like, i've installed the os, now get out of my way and let me configure it the way i want and stop haranguing me
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Feb 24, 2023 17:11
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if i have to spend an hour to make the desktop environment not terrible and configure wine, etc. i may as well just deal with windows' bullshit
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Feb 24, 2023 17:14
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infernal machines posted:if i have to spend an hour to make the desktop environment not terrible and configure wine, etc. i may as well just deal with windows' bullshit i get this, but it's really not that difficult. wine works pretty much out of the box and it takes maybe 10 minutes tops to quickly configure xfce, the themes are mostly self-contained (though you can use parts) and it's already pretty windowsy idk, it's really not a big deal to me, the ui in windows 10+ is worse enough to use that i think it's worth it most of the time
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Tankakern posted:didnt know microsoft got another one on their payroll in here I tried to get on Microsoft's payroll but they did a hiring freeze right before sending me the offer.  Other than that, I use Edge because it's just Chrome but from a slightly more trustworthy company.
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akadajet posted:I tried to get on Microsoft's payroll but they did a hiring freeze right before sending me the offer. same with me and apple. verbal offer and everything 
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Last Chance posted:same with me and apple. verbal offer and everything It's amazing how the whole hiring bubble fizzled out overnight.
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akadajet posted:It's amazing how the whole hiring bubble fizzled out overnight. it was also kind of amazing that this last bubble happened to start with. genuinely unclear why everyone just hired wildly for a couple of years and then changed their minds entirely. unless capitalism was wrong about the value of a thing of course, but that would make the axiomatic system inconsistent, so let's disregard.
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Beeftweeter posted:i get this, but it's really not that difficult. wine works pretty much out of the box and it takes maybe 10 minutes tops to quickly configure xfce, the themes are mostly self-contained (though you can use parts) and it's already pretty windowsy it's not that it's difficult, it's that i have to waste time doing it rather than just using the product, which to me is the same problem with either one. tbh the only reason i'm still on windows with this latest workstation build is i like having hdr and properly supported hardware accelerated video decoding, and all i had to do was move the ssd from the old system into the new one. if i had to re-install windows, i wouldn't have
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Feb 24, 2023 18:33
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yeah i mean i'm not gonna try and make the case that there aren't valid uses for windows, obviously that's not true. configuring linux like that just makes everything a bit more comfortable feeling
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Feb 24, 2023 18:42
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Beeftweeter posted:lol no its not every time I've had to move a Mac account from one machine to another, all my poo poo comes over. application preferences, browser bookmarks, documents, etc. all that poo poo is just there on my new machine, ready to go. that's what I'm talking about. at work, any time I get a new machine, none of that happens. like even during a formal hardware replacement, I have to start over from scratch with all the application settings and poo poo because it just doesn't migrate, even if they supposedly migrate my user profile from one to the other. like even my loving Outlook sig has to be redone. the only time I've had to move windows at home I just used Winclone.
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Feb 24, 2023 19:25
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every time ive had to move windows over ive had bill come over to do it, seamless every time. idk what you're doing messing about with it, did steve claim he died to not have to answer your calls?
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you can migrate profiles using 3rd party tools like profwiz and all your settings and such will come over. what will break are modern apps, which store significant program components in the user profile, and if they're something that doesn't run on the new system (e.g. oem brand specific apps) they will still half exist there and can't ever be removed without really loving up the acls on the folders they're contained in. microsoft also has a mechanism to sync settings via microsoft accounts (azure and live). these do nothing useful as far as i can tell roaming profiles and folder redirection have been variously broken since at least windows xp and in a best case scenario they'll cause weird behaviour in some apps and at worst they will break things in ways that are difficult to troubleshoot none of this has anything to do with the things i was talking about infernal machines fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Feb 24, 2023 |
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I’m the dumbass with a Microsoft account who still has to configure everything on each fresh install because only a few settings are saved properly Thank you for remembering my desktop background. No, you may not access my mic, camera, radios(?) or anything a program might want without my permission
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infernal machines posted:like, i've installed the os, now get out of my way and let me configure it the way i want and stop haranguing me hundreds of product managers’ careers depend on those features. do you know how much private school costs in redmond?
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Chris Knight posted:so. the latest version of windows still only relaunches about 25% of the apps you had running when it reboots itself for updates
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infernal machines posted:i'm just annoyed that there's no longer a desktop workstation version of windows that just lets you use the os without bombarding you with prompts and nags and never ending bullshit bundleware LTSC but they are trying really hard to force people off of it for example, teams isn't supported on ltsc I don't see this as a problem
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