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Hughlander
May 11, 2005

Well Played Mauer posted:

So after a week of using Notion like I normally do Obsidian on the day-to-day (and fixing some lingering plugin/sync problems that have been resolved since I last did a good janitorial session), I'm probably going to stay with Obsidian.

I have one more test to do for project-oriented work. I wanna plan out/design a one-shot tabletop game. It's a city-wide hexcrawl inspired by The Warriors, if you care. I wanna see if its PM tools have enough benefits to outweigh the clunky UX for my day to day work/note taking.

If you're not careful I'll introduce you to the rabbit hole that is NVDH... There are some Obsidian people with OPINIONS(TM) on Tabletop gaming and the things they do is downright amazing.

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Escape Goat
Jan 30, 2009

Anybody using obsidian with an iPad? Curious if there’s anyway to make it work with sketches, like onenote, or if that’s too far outside its domain and should use a separate tool (Something that is not onenote)

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

Escape Goat posted:

Anybody using obsidian with an iPad? Curious if there’s anyway to make it work with sketches, like onenote, or if that’s too far outside its domain and should use a separate tool (Something that is not onenote)

Yah I am... Excalidraw plugin is what you're looking for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmgqMZi6QL8

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down
The use of excalidraw has yet to click for me, admittedly I haven’t spent a lot of time learning how to use it. I was hoping there’d be a solution to just ‘jump in’ and start sketching/free drawing with the pencil, but ED seems to have a different philosophy that I haven’t yet grok’d.

That’s just to say it’s not super intuitive outside the box, at least to my pea-brain.

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

Looking into Obsidian now. I've been a long time paid Evernote user but they just had a massive price hike and I feel like I could get the same functionality out of Obsidian with paid syncing for 1/3 the price.

How does it handle adding paper notes? You just embed a scan or can it do transcription at all?

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

BaseballPCHiker posted:

Looking into Obsidian now. I've been a long time paid Evernote user but they just had a massive price hike and I feel like I could get the same functionality out of Obsidian with paid syncing for 1/3 the price.

How does it handle adding paper notes? You just embed a scan or can it do transcription at all?

It's an electron app with a robust javascript/typescript plugin ecosystem. You can add a plugin that does OCR, you can do a stupid number of things in it. Grab the obsidian importer core plugin and it'll import the entire uhhh enex file that makes up all your books.

I did the same switch 15 months ago and don't regret it. Can't remember what the evernote change was that made me stop paying but it was just after they were purchased.

Flyndre
Sep 6, 2009
Loving Obsidian more and more. I don’t do anything fancy with it, but the linking and good search has really improved my personal knowledge management at work. I don’t as often have to look for the primary sources of information that I used to, and my understand of topics has improved simply by being able to go back to and improve on my own notes.

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

Flyndre posted:

Loving Obsidian more and more. I don’t do anything fancy with it, but the linking and good search has really improved my personal knowledge management at work. I don’t as often have to look for the primary sources of information that I used to, and my understand of topics has improved simply by being able to go back to and improve on my own notes.

I think i talk about it earlier in thread but also try embeding the links. Here's my flow:

Daily note named like: Daily-2024-Sep-12.md
Each meeting having a note like John-1-1.md

Sit down with john and in John-1-1.md type:
# @today

That gets auto expanded to an H1
# [[Daily-2024-Sep-12]]

Start taking notes under that.
- This is a note!

When done inside Daily-2024-Sep-12, I add:
- [[John-1-1]] ![[John-1-1#Daily-2024-Sep-12]]

What that then looks like in Obsidian is:
Notes:
- [[John-1-1]]
- This is a note!

so I can look at all the meetings in 1 spot, and then in the 1:1 I have the full history of what we talked about going back to the start of time with each week in it's own header.

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

Is there a plugin to make copying code blocks out of Obsidian not terrible? The only one I've found that's decent makes you be in reading mode to use it and I'm never in goddamn reading mode.

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

Warbird posted:

Is there a plugin to make copying code blocks out of Obsidian not terrible? The only one I've found that's decent makes you be in reading mode to use it and I'm never in goddamn reading mode.

What's the criteria of 'not terrible'? I just click the language type and paste it where I'm going...

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

Downloaded Obsidian and am taking a crack at it now.

Honestly my mind is spinning because as I researched I found other references to "personal knowledge systems" and now Im watching all of these YouTube videos on peoples perfect setups and their graphs and maps from notes. I honestly cant tell if its just the allure of "notes as art" that makes people make this stuff or if theyre actually using these systems and its helpful to them.

One thing I found interesting out of all of this was the Johnny Decimal System - https://johnnydecimal.com/10-19-concepts/11-core/11.01-introduction/ I may try and replicate that for my new Obsidian setup.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down
There is a whole group of folks that are deep into PKMS and you can lose yourself in it all. I HIGHLY recommend that you take it super simple at first and start with the bare minimum amount of structure/plugins.

Start with the Johnny Decimal, but maybe you’ll switch over to PARA at some point. Start using it, figure out what your actual needs are, then when you come up with “I could really use___” or “This is a pain point”… then research what’s out there.

My use case started with just documenting work notes and capturing actions, then putting them in front of me when/where I need them. Then I grew much larger to try and capture everything in my life with a big structure and loads of plugins, then dialed those back as it became overwhelming and not what I actually was using it for.

Start small.

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

Agreed, but there are a few huge QOL plugins that everyone should have.

Well Played Mauer
Jun 1, 2003

We'll always have Cabo
My brief exploration of Notion has concluded. As much as the PM stuff is nice, I’m using this just for me, so anything more involved than a kanban board and checklist is overkill anyway. The juice wasn’t worth the freemium software inevitable enshitification squeeze, so it’s back to Obsidian full time.

I’m still figuring out what I need out of the tool right now. When I set it up years ago I was following Nick Milo’s setup with MOCs and such. It actually is cool to look through those and be like “oh poo poo that’s what I was working on last year.” I think I’ve just fallen out of, like, doing the hobby side of PKM.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down

Hughlander posted:

Agreed, but there are a few huge QOL plugins that everyone should have.

Yes, for sure. Won't take them long to find those though. For reference, my list of essential QOL would:

Calendar
Periodic Notes
Dataview (for bringing tasks to you)
Tasks

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

TraderStav posted:

Yes, for sure. Won't take them long to find those though. For reference, my list of essential QOL would:

Calendar
Periodic Notes
Dataview (for bringing tasks to you)
Tasks

Yah I realized I was a bit on the snarky side was trying to finish the comment but had to leave for the night. I don't do calendar but would add Templater and if you are coming from Evernote, 'File Tree Alternative' which gives an evernote type explorer view. Oh god and looking at my addons Outliner isn't core?!? I'm absolutely shocked. I couldn't live without Outliner.

Granted I have a dozen more but I think those 6 are my it wouldn't be Obsidian if they weren't there list of plugins.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down
Didn’t detect snark, good point about the few qol ones.

Christ, I forgot templater! I need to check out outliner, not using it and maybe a huge gap.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week
Of my 3 favorite community plugin, only 1 is widely "essential" for most people (dataview). The other 2 are
1) Folder Notes: makes folders able to be notes that open when you click the folder name
2) drawio diagrams plugin: a tool to draw SVG diagrams & flowcharts

Folder Notes I'm wedded to just because in the outliner I used before Obsidian (an old program called The Guide) all nodes of the tree were notes, so my mental map often wants folders to have the top-level info about their contents.

I absolutely love drawio so being able to make a diagram inside Obsidian is super cool. But I've had to switch plugins like 3 different times because the authors stopped updating and what I was using didn't work. Currently this fork works but lol this is the problem with plugins.

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

Outliner basically just turns:
pre:
 - Thing
  - About a thing
 - Other thing
  - About the other thing
into the full on unordered list with tabs able to handle levels of indentations. my default way of thinking is an outline so every note pretty much starts as an outline and then is either expanded or not from there.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down

Hughlander posted:

Outliner basically just turns:
pre:
 - Thing
  - About a thing
 - Other thing
  - About the other thing
into the full on unordered list with tabs able to handle levels of indentations. my default way of thinking is an outline so every note pretty much starts as an outline and then is either expanded or not from there.

What sold me was having hotkeys to move bullets up and down like in powerpoint. All in.

Well Played Mauer
Jun 1, 2003

We'll always have Cabo
Foldernotes is great. I also just found one called Projects that seems to bring in some of the PM stuff Notion offers.

Major QOL ones I like a lot are “Paste URL into selection” and “Auto Link Title” whose t-shirts answer questions about their functions.

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

Well Played Mauer posted:

Foldernotes is great. I also just found one called Projects that seems to bring in some of the PM stuff Notion offers.

Major QOL ones I like a lot are “Paste URL into selection” and “Auto Link Title” whose t-shirts answer questions about their functions.

It's a bit of DYI but if you like projects, you can combine or run it separately from https://github.com/ljavuras/obsidian-power-tools/blob/main/Issue%20Tracker/README.md which makes a dataview like Jira from a set of notes. All either of them do is parse the frontmatter for properties. But again, the key with Obsidian is if you move away, delete projects, delete issue tracker, do whatever:

You still have all the data in markdown files.

It's your data to do whatever you want with, and that's why I'm happy for this cult :)

Well Played Mauer
Jun 1, 2003

We'll always have Cabo
Yeah I also dig that it’s all on a local machine or machines, so if it all stops getting updated tomorrow, it’s still a functional program at that works at that moment in time.

mancalamania
Oct 23, 2008

TraderStav posted:

The use of excalidraw has yet to click for me, admittedly I haven’t spent a lot of time learning how to use it. I was hoping there’d be a solution to just ‘jump in’ and start sketching/free drawing with the pencil, but ED seems to have a different philosophy that I haven’t yet grok’d.

That’s just to say it’s not super intuitive outside the box, at least to my pea-brain.

I spent some time this summer looking for an Obsidian-type app that can do exactly this and came up empty. The closest thing I found is Bear which is nice but doesn't have LaTeX integration (or any other equation editor) so it was a nonstarter for me.

Well Played Mauer
Jun 1, 2003

We'll always have Cabo
I grabbed the Tasks plugin a couple days ago. I'd been reticent to pull in something that aggregates lists, since I usually try to compartmentalize stuff, but it's been convenient enough for me to adapt how I've structured my notes.

I used to have a giant file called "Daily Notes," where I just repeated the same "Weekly Notes" template over and over again, moving tasks that hung over from the previous week into the new list. This worked, but it also meant if I wasn't tracking tasks in that file, anything I wanted to keep track of was compartmentalized to a note I really didn't spend much time looking at, so a lot of smaller projects that weren't work-related could languish.

With the Tasks plugin, I built an aggregator into my home file, which pulls any checkbox with a tag, and the task can live there forever until it gets done. This lets me turn my Weekly Notes work into better snapshots in time, and I don't have a giant loving file that repeats a lot of the same stuff over and over. Pretty cool and about as easy to use as Dataview.

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

Well Played Mauer posted:

I grabbed the Tasks plugin a couple days ago. I'd been reticent to pull in something that aggregates lists, since I usually try to compartmentalize stuff, but it's been convenient enough for me to adapt how I've structured my notes.

I used to have a giant file called "Daily Notes," where I just repeated the same "Weekly Notes" template over and over again, moving tasks that hung over from the previous week into the new list. This worked, but it also meant if I wasn't tracking tasks in that file, anything I wanted to keep track of was compartmentalized to a note I really didn't spend much time looking at, so a lot of smaller projects that weren't work-related could languish.

With the Tasks plugin, I built an aggregator into my home file, which pulls any checkbox with a tag, and the task can live there forever until it gets done. This lets me turn my Weekly Notes work into better snapshots in time, and I don't have a giant loving file that repeats a lot of the same stuff over and over. Pretty cool and about as easy to use as Dataview.

Sounds great! I’d also look at the periodic note plugin with templater to make those daily/weekly notes from a template with replacement to do things like make links to last week / next week. One I did recently was made my weekly note back date to Sunday no matter what day I first opened it.

Horsebanger
Jun 25, 2009

Steering wheel! Hey! Steering wheel! Someone tell him to give it to me!
I've been using Obsidian for about 6 months now. Starting with a basic framework based on PARA, but I have some very useful plugins/changes I've made over those months:
Templater - I have a job with billable time, so I wanted to make a daily template and checklist. I borrowed cyanvoxels idea for this and made a daily template with a different colour for each day. I also created a meeting template and a new note template to timestamp notes.
Git - more of a personal project, I wanted to know how to use Git a bit better so I use it to back up the notes instead of sync. It's more work but it was a learning experience that I wanted to pursue.
Excalidraw - for diagrams in notes.
Omnivore - I use this to read articles. The plugin makes my highlights from that create a note with my highlights and comments.

One thing I'm actually bad of, is Maps of content. Does anyone do anything more than just have a page with links on it? I'm having a hard time conceptually use one.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down

Horsebanger posted:

I've been using Obsidian for about 6 months now. Starting with a basic framework based on PARA, but I have some very useful plugins/changes I've made over those months:
Templater - I have a job with billable time, so I wanted to make a daily template and checklist. I borrowed cyanvoxels idea for this and made a daily template with a different colour for each day. I also created a meeting template and a new note template to timestamp notes.
Git - more of a personal project, I wanted to know how to use Git a bit better so I use it to back up the notes instead of sync. It's more work but it was a learning experience that I wanted to pursue.
Excalidraw - for diagrams in notes.
Omnivore - I use this to read articles. The plugin makes my highlights from that create a note with my highlights and comments.

One thing I'm actually bad of, is Maps of content. Does anyone do anything more than just have a page with links on it? I'm having a hard time conceptually use one.

The way to do it is to use tags with backlinks to your MOC and dataview to bring in all the relevant items into your MOC.

That being said, I never really use the MOCs I set up.

Escape Goat
Jan 30, 2009

Excalidraw seems cool but I’m perceiving a distinct lag compared to Procreate/Freeform on iPad.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down

Escape Goat posted:

Excalidraw seems cool but I’m perceiving a distinct lag compared to Procreate/Freeform on iPad.

TraderStav posted:

The use of excalidraw has yet to click for me, admittedly I haven’t spent a lot of time learning how to use it. I was hoping there’d be a solution to just ‘jump in’ and start sketching/free drawing with the pencil, but ED seems to have a different philosophy that I haven’t yet grok’d.

That’s just to say it’s not super intuitive outside the box, at least to my pea-brain.

death cob for cutie
Dec 30, 2006

dwarves won't delve no more
too much splatting down on Zot:4
I've been using Notion on and off for about threeish years now and I recently got so irritated with the little Notion AI popup on everything I do that I'm planning on switching to Obsidian. While I'm in the process of doing that, I've been thinking about other ways to up my notetaking game.

Specifically, for work, what I do is take notes on a Rocketbook - I try not to bring my whole-rear end computer to meetings, because then I pay more attention to that than the meeting, and it seems like unlike 90% of office drones in America, my work meetings actually have important things happening in them. So handwritten notes usually suffice. Being able to integrate my notes into Obsidian without having to transcribe them over or try to have OCR deal with my handwriting sounds nice, though. This got me thinking about other ways I could take notes and have them exist in the same ecosystem I do all my other stuff in.

Does anyone make a decent device with a keyboard for taking notes? Linux/Android, to use the Obsidian app, and ideally a proper keyboard, not some tiny chiclet monstrosity. I'm imagining something like the Freewrite Traveler but with enough OS to run Obsidian (and I guess some other stuff in a pinch).

This is obviously not an insanely popular class of devices; any time I try to go looking for them, I see a lot of DIY projects. Some of them are pretty cool! But I don't particularly want to DIY it... right now, at least. I do have a DevTerm with a failed screen I never got replaced, so I have a reasonable SBC with expansion slots enough to make something out of it if I wanted. But I kind of want something with a bit more polish than I could probably produce independently.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down
I use my iPad with Magic Keyboard, but maybe also look at some of those android powered eink tablets. Can also integrate with handwriting too decently as their keyboard receives your writing and translates to text in obsidian. Have heard it works really well. Check out the Boox 10.3

Giant Metal Robot
Jun 14, 2005


Taco Defender
I've been thinking about getting a thin Bluetooth keyboard and using that with my phone. Every other option is basically buying a phone with a bigger screen and a keyboard, so it feels like just carrying more crap.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Still kickin it in Faerun since 1361 DR.
Death Cob: how about a steam deck that you plug a full keyboard into? Legit Linux, not DIY, seemingly hits your requests.

Lanky Coconut Tree
Apr 7, 2011

An angry tree.

The angriest tree
How do you guys manage tasks and stuff with obsidian? I like having additional context all in one place but haven't been able to get tasks synced to my Google calendar properly.

Escape Goat
Jan 30, 2009

Lanky Coconut Tree posted:

How do you guys manage tasks and stuff with obsidian? I like having additional context all in one place but haven't been able to get tasks synced to my Google calendar properly.

curious about this too

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down
I don't connect my tasks to any external software/service. I use the Tasks plugin along with dataview. In whatever note I'm in (primarily meetings or daily note), I'll make a new task and make sure to date it:

- [ ] #tag Action Date due

Then I have a tasks note that pulls in everything using dataview that is due today or in a prior day, organized by tag. I manage my tasks off of that page, changing dates as needed. But that way I catch everything.

On project specific notes or 1:1s I'll include all tasks based on tag or person regardless of date so I have it in front of me.

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

TraderStav posted:

I don't connect my tasks to any external software/service. I use the Tasks plugin along with dataview. In whatever note I'm in (primarily meetings or daily note), I'll make a new task and make sure to date it:

- [ ] #tag Action Date due

Then I have a tasks note that pulls in everything using dataview that is due today or in a prior day, organized by tag. I manage my tasks off of that page, changing dates as needed. But that way I catch everything.

On project specific notes or 1:1s I'll include all tasks based on tag or person regardless of date so I have it in front of me.

Basically this, then in my daily note that I keep open basically 24/7 I have this template:

code:

<< [[<% fileDate = moment(tp.file.title, 'YYYY-MM-DD-dddd').subtract(1, 'd').format('YYYY-MM-DD-dddd') %>|Yesterday]] | [[<% fileDate = moment(tp.file.title, 'YYYY-MM-DD-dddd').add(1, 'd').format('YYYY-MM-DD-dddd') %>|Tomorrow]] >>



> [!warning]+ OverDue
> ```tasks
> not done
> sort by due date
> due before <% tp.date.now("YYYY-MM-DD") %>
> hide due date
> hide backlink
 > path regex does not match /^_Templates/
 > tags include #tasks
> limit 5
> ```

> [!todo]+ Today's Tasks
> ```tasks
> not done
> due <% tp.date.now("YYYY-MM-DD") %>
> sort by priority
> hide due date
> hide backlink
> path regex does not match /^_Templates/
> tags include #tasks
> limit 5
> ```

---
# &#128221;  Notes
- <% tp.file.cursor() %>

---
## New Tasks
---
# Old Tasks
> [!Warning]+ Unscheduled Tasks
> ```tasks
> not done
> no due date
> path regex does not match /^_Templates/
> tags include #tasks
> sort by function reverse task.file.property('created')
> ```

> [!success]+ Tasks Done Today
> ```tasks
> done <% tp.date.now("YYYY-MM-DD") %>
> hide due date
> hide backlink
> path regex does not match /^_Templates/
> tags include #tasks
> ```

### Notes created today
```dataview
List FROM "" WHERE file.cday = date("<%tp.date.now("YYYY-MM-DD")%>") SORT file.ctime asc
```

### Notes last touched today
```dataview
List FROM "" WHERE file.mday = date("<%tp.date.now("YYYY-MM-DD")%>") SORT file.mtime asc
```
So top of file is link to yesterdays note, tomorrows note, then overdue tasks, then today, then where I actually take notes for today, then tasks that haven't gotten a new due date, then tasks completed, finally same but for files, files created, files edited today. I got 400 of these daily note files by now ...

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down
Oh yeah, forgot to mention I have another note that keeps track of all completed tasks within the past few days since I've accidentally completed them and then they're gone. Helpful addition.

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Horsebanger
Jun 25, 2009

Steering wheel! Hey! Steering wheel! Someone tell him to give it to me!

Hughlander posted:

Basically this, then in my daily note that I keep open basically 24/7 I have this template:

code:
<snip>
So top of file is link to yesterdays note, tomorrows note, then overdue tasks, then today, then where I actually take notes for today, then tasks that haven't gotten a new due date, then tasks completed, finally same but for files, files created, files edited today. I got 400 of these daily note files by now ...

drat thats a well laid out template. I might format mine with the box thingos as mine is just a list atm and if it looks a bit prettier I might be a bit more engaged with it.

Super simpe atm is using a pomodoro timer in obsidian and then end of each one I mark what I did... makes timesheeting easier on me.

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