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curried lamb of God posted:I spent 5 years living in the middle of Africa in an area with awful roads and that experience convinced me that Toyotas are bulletproof. I miss my Hilux Top Gear had fun with a Hilux. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWKz7Cthkk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTPnIpjodA8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnVZXQD5_k
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Dec 8, 2022 17:55
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all the old people that can afford luxury cars can't get in and out of low sedans/coupes or tall proper SUVs so, crossovers
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Dec 8, 2022 18:02
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It's also basically impossible to buy a station wagon/estate(sic) in the us any more.
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Dec 8, 2022 18:09
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Bip Roberts posted:It's also basically impossible to buy a station wagon/estate(sic) in the us any more. Yeah, for about 20 years now  And Corvette died when they put the engine behind the driver. Don't go getting all teary eyed about an electric SUV or a hatchback all of a sudden.
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They had been trying to make a mid-engined Corvette for like 50 years. What are you on about? Also MR/M4 > All else. GM realized the FMR chassis had been pushed as far it was allowed to go. Also while it’s hard to prove, GM’s internal management was so rattled by the Fiero they intentionally severely nerfed it as they knew it’s chassis dynamics were superior to the C4 Corvette’s despite it being made of Citation parts.
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I don't think it really was that as much as a reckoning among GM management at the time that having like 8 different divisions building oddball projects that only stepped on its own market share made zero loving sense now that they didn't have a stranglehold over the US market. It's really shocking that GM has stayed alive given how it was structured and run pre 1980s
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I would also say that it is very GM to gut an ambitious project to follow a more conservative approach, they had a functional EV in the 90s and shuttered the whole thing. The Chevy Vega allegedly was going to have a rotary engine to the point where GM had functional prototypes doing lifetime mileage simulations and they abandoned that completely at the last minute.
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italian quid posted:I don't think it really was that as much as a reckoning among GM management at the time that having like 8 different divisions building oddball projects that only stepped on its own market share made zero loving sense now that they didn't have a stranglehold over the US market. Here’s where I’d disagree slightly - Roger B Smith’s attempt to reform it made it even worse. He is the absolute worst CEO of the 20th century IMO. Keep in mind the Japanese market had a shitload of market duplication (do you like the Mazda Familia? How about 6 different versions of it!!) but avoided the issues because they were good at the expensive bit sharing (driveline and chassis). GM would have 4 similar looking cars on the outside but they would have 5 different engine and transmissions among them. Frond fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Dec 8, 2022 |
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italian quid posted:I would also say that it is very GM to gut an ambitious project to follow a more conservative approach, they had a functional EV in the 90s and shuttered the whole thing. The Chevy Vega allegedly was going to have a rotary engine to the point where GM had functional prototypes doing lifetime mileage simulations and they abandoned that completely at the last minute. There was going to be a mid-engines rotary Corvette too. Keep in mind as well they were Turbo pioneers and just fluffed that off completely, sold 2 really good engine designs to other companies (and then had to buy back one from AMC embarrassingly like 8 years later.)
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Frond posted:Here’s where I’d disagree slightly - Roger B Smith’s attempt to reform it made it even worse. He is the absolute worst CEO of the 20th century IMO. GM did a ton of dipshit stuff in the 80s but consolidating the engineering and engine work and starting to try and stop divisions from stepping on each other was absolutely the direction they needed to head in. The only reason the japanese were creating new brands was to move up market since they were limited on sales units, the post 2008 brand consolidation at GM realistically should've happened by the mid 80s at the latest. Frond posted:There was going to be a mid-engines rotary Corvette too. Keep in mind as well they were Turbo pioneers and just fluffed that off completely, sold 2 really good engine designs to other companies (and then had to buy back one from AMC embarrassingly like 8 years later.) They had a really good FWD platform too and just left it to languish till the imports stole the march on them. Probably could've dominated the RV market if they had stayed in it instead of building one really good model and just letting it age out
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It would've been a lot cleaner and better for the company to just say Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick no longer are brands than what happened which is they said "Okay you still have a design team but you now have to build for these segments we already cover with this pool of frames and this pool of engines and drive trains" across like 8 different brands
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GM should enter F1
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↑ with a FR layout. Edit: And a self-imposed budget cap of 1/3rd whatever Ferrari spends. marshalljim fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Dec 8, 2022 |
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italian quid posted:They had a really good FWD platform too and just left it to languish till the imports stole the march on them. Probably could've dominated the RV market if they had stayed in it instead of building one really good model and just letting it age out GMs abrupt exit from the commercial market was extremely weird - they did very well there…
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Mazepin’s dad managed to get what I assume is only one of his yachts out of Italy ahead of the fuzz:quote:A luxury yacht owned by a Russian oligarch that was supposedly seized under EU sanctions mysteriously disappeared from a port on the Italian island of Sardinia this summer. What a jerk. I hope it sinks!
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Pirate Radar posted:Mazepin’s dad managed to get what I assume is only one of his yachts out of Italy ahead of the fuzz: Don't worry, Mazespin will somehow spin it into a wall.
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What's with all of the hate on GM when Chrysler is right there? If nothing else, GM at least makes fantastic powertrains. It's the one shining beacon they have that puts them above the other US-based manufacturers. Even their new EV's while being ugly as gently caress and with questionable interior quality have very clever powertrain designs that maximize out put in the most space efficient format* *except for the new Hummer. That thing is an abomination.
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I actually like GM quite a lot and loved that stupid rear end GMC Safari I owned for a bit but they absolutely have made completely idiotic choices down the line. Chrysler is stupid but there's only so many times you can comment on the fact that they still make the 300 before it becomes exhausting.
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italian quid posted:Chrysler is stupid but there's only so many times you can comment on the fact that they still make the 300 before it becomes exhausting. There is a Durango Hellcat.
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I thought this thread surely couldn’t sink any further, but now it’s about praising American garbage cars so I was wrong again. Bring back the teflon discussion, please.
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:I thought this thread surely couldn’t sink any further, but now it’s about praising American garbage cars so I was wrong again. Bring back the teflon discussion, please. All the teflon advocates died from teflon poisoning. Should've stuck with red copper or stainless steel.
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MustardFacial posted:There is a Durango Hellcat. theres also the trackhawk jeep hellcat
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Ferrari are doing a thing on the 13th.
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Custard Undies posted:Ferrari are doing a thing on the 13th. Will they have dancers?
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The pontiac sunfire was the first car of many of my friends. RIP pontiac
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celica gt everybody knew at least one celica kid prelude crew
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ethanol posted:celica gt wow must be nice to be so bougie, my first car was a ford taurus with a blown head gasket and hosed brake lines so the car would veer wildly to the right any time you braked.
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italian quid posted:wow must be nice to be so bougie, my first car was a ford taurus with a blown head gasket and hosed brake lines so the car would veer wildly to the right any time you braked. yeah there was only once celica kid because they were more expensive, but still pieces of poo poo have you seen preludes we had a contour at one point it was the most awful car ever created the 96 dodge caravan was a popular pick too
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91 chevy lumina 93 chevy cavalier allt hese cars should be in a museum for worst machines ever made
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ethanol posted:we had a contour at one point it was the most awful car ever created I'm not wild about fords in general they're a bit like a lobotomised Honda where they do quirky engineering decisions but they're all to make the car more poo poo. I learned to drive stick on a salvage ford festiva working at a junkyard though so that particular piece of poo poo will always hold a special place in my heart.
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Mk5 GTI first car checking in. That’s what happens when you grow up in a city and can’t afford a car until you are in your 20s.
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ethanol posted:91 chevy lumina One of my college jobs was just being a dude that loving bought cars and moved them around the junkyard. GM cars were always bad but Chryslers were way loving worse, GM trucks and SUVs were always solid though. If you want to buy a car that's gonna last 30 years buy a Honda. My mom had a late 80s cavalier and it almost caused my parents to divorce. F1DriverQuidenBerg fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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i had to drive a ford fusion rental car all week and it did the following: tried to nudge me out of making turns because it thought i was leaving the lane kept flashing people because it turns the brights on automatically at the wrong times no interval wipe mode because that slot is taken by automatic wipers which absolutely couldn't handle drizzle no carplay . in 2022 weirdly impossible to see out of side mirrors probably hte most boring interior ive seen since some other poo poo i cant remember but it was like 50 times faster than my TACOMA so i threw it around like a stockcar
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They still make the ford fusion???????
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I had a Plymouth neon my grandma barely drove and it was a giant go kart
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italian quid posted:They still make the ford fusion??????? it might have been 2 years old
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thats still just as shocking, if you asked me I would've guessed they stopped making it in like 2014 or something lol
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ethanol posted:91 chevy lumina my first car was a 92 lumina, had it 2 months before the engine blew up
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ethanol posted:yeah there was only once celica kid because they were more expensive, but still pieces of poo poo I owned a 2 Preludes and known people who own a Celicas. They were good cars. You still see them around. You do not see Dodge Daytonas or Berettas.
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