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guppy posted:The basic premise of OneDrive integration works fairly well. I have three main complaints: These are valid points and I certainly am not trying to be a Microsoft homer though I guess I'm probably coming across as one. #3 is especially annoying to me as I also usually want to send an attachment. I'd note on #1 that the only time I really notice is when I'm initially opening a file that hasn't been synced. All other operations like autosave etc. seem reasonably performant to me, or at least not something that makes me notice. That said, I'm not generally working on large files so maybe there's a difference there. I'd also note on the last point that not only does it push people, but you can silently set it to upload Desktop/Docs via Intune config profile, so if you're in a managed environment people are already saving their files to OneDrive without knowing it, which helps a lot with "I know you said to save things only to the Sharepoint library but I put it on my desktop and then my computer got eaten by a grue, halp".
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If you gently caress that setup up then you end up the way things used to be at my previous company, where everyone's entire desktop basically lived in OneDrive and if you lost internet connection then you also lost all your work because the local storage was somehow also pointed at OneDrive. But wait! There's more! We also all sync'd everything on every device to every other device, so if one of us did something like "download a multi-gig ISO file to install a new VM from" then everyone in the company suddenly found themselves downloading it. Not that big a deal when working from home, but apparently made the office internet just loving die. I have no idea how you'd even gently caress things up that badly, but somehow the third party IT place the bosses contracted to set things up for them when it was a two-man shop did exactly that.
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Know what’s even better? In my job I need to have GCCH Onedrive for the vert I work under and commercial Onedrive for the parent org. And I could get fired if I accidentally save CUI data in the wrong OneDrive.
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Arquinsiel posted:If you gently caress that setup up then you end up the way things used to be at my previous company, where everyone's entire desktop basically lived in OneDrive and if you lost internet connection then you also lost all your work because the local storage was somehow also pointed at OneDrive.  The second part requires you to put in some effort since that's literally against all the defaults as I recall, so .....wtf.
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Jul 3, 2024 04:00
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setting your password to password is an easy integration too
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SyNack Sassimov posted:
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Speaking of Google, this was the suggested quick responses to an email this morning where a vendor was apologizing for not following directions: The algorithm is too accurate
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A Frosty Witch posted:Speaking of Google, this was the suggested quick responses to an email this morning where a vendor was apologizing for not following directions: Ugh.
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Thank you for the update.
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A Frosty Witch posted:Speaking of Google, this was the suggested quick responses to an email this morning where a vendor was apologizing for not following directions: Ugh.
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Thank you for following up.
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Ugh.
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A Frosty Witch posted:Speaking of Google, this was the suggested quick responses to an email this morning where a vendor was apologizing for not following directions: [SPAM] FW: RE: Jaded Helpdesk Megathread For Cynical Buttholes - [Ugh.]
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Jul 3, 2024 18:01
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In my experience, kids under 28 don't even know what files and folders are any more, nevermind a directory structure. They need the browser apps. Ugh.
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Jul 3, 2024 18:24
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If they make it to 28 and don't know that then what you've got there is a training failure on your part.
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A Frosty Witch posted:Speaking of Google, this was the suggested quick responses to an email this morning where a vendor was apologizing for not following directions: Isn't that the sa mod panel?
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Entropist posted:In my experience, kids under 28 don't even know what files and folders are any more, nevermind a directory structure. They need the browser apps. Ugh. Yes, there have been reports on this: https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z
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Jul 3, 2024 21:48
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Those stories always just make me wonder if schools have completely abandoned basic computer lessons.
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Jul 3, 2024 22:03
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Even 20-30 years ago I don't think schools were covering that. I learned by doing.
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I blame Google and Apple falling over each other to sell themselves to under-resourced schools where headteachers are forced to make purchasing decisions and only a few companies ever make it onto the list of being eligible for grant funds. You're never learning a file system if everything you do is on a Chromebook.
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Every time this comes up I feel like the odd one out, but if they don't know then maybe they don't need to know it. Files and folders were from an age where the folks who were used to physical files and folders needed an analog on the computer. Search, tagging, etc., are more powerful and make files and folders less and less useful.
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Jul 3, 2024 22:29
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Don't need to know until they hit the real world.
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Thank you for ugh.
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GreenNight posted:Don't need to know until they hit the real world. If you say so! That article is from 3 years ago. Certainly enough of Gen Z has entered the workforce that we'd be hearing about it non-stop if it was a problem? It's not exactly a tough skill to learn if necessary. I've worked with at least hundreds of people who did not know how to navigate files and folders in Windows. They all used software that had alternative organization structures or solutions that abstracted out the directory structure to the point where the skill of navigating one did not translate to navigating the other. Law firms with document management software, healthcare companies with electronic medical record software, etc.
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Internet Explorer posted:Every time this comes up I feel like the odd one out, but if they don't know then maybe they don't need to know it. Files and folders were from an age where the folks who were used to physical files and folders needed an analog on the computer. Search, tagging, etc., are more powerful and make files and folders less and less useful. I think I'm with you on this one. I think tagging will replace the traditional folders'n'files desktop experience. It only makes so much sense to us because we grew up with it. Folders on computers are like carburetors on vehicles.
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guppy posted:Even 20-30 years ago I don't think schools were covering that. I learned by doing. 
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First of May posted:I think I'm with you on this one. I think tagging will replace the traditional folders'n'files desktop experience. It only makes so much sense to us because we grew up with it. Folders on computers are like carburetors on vehicles. I can understand tags in addition to a folder structure, but everything else is organised in a hierarchy so files on a computer shouldn't be any different - unless you're applying multiple tags to represent the client, project, year and then presenting it like it's a folder tree in which case you've not really changed anything. A totally flat 'file system' with everything tagged and folders being generated views based on search terms sounds like something Google would try and push on everybody until giving into pressure.
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hierarchy is an arbitrary layer of abstraction. the only divisor that matters is collocation of bits on disk. indexing is god.
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guppy posted:Even 20-30 years ago I don't think schools were covering that. I learned by doing. we had a typing class
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We had a typing class too, but that's not the same thing. Whatever abstraction you're doing to it, files are organized in folders in every filesystem I've ever used. Not everyone needs to know it, maybe, but it's not useless knowledge. EDIT: I actually have no idea how to teach typing anymore. Is there a modern software suite for it?
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guppy posted:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Typing_of_the_Dead
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We had a computer lab in both my elementary and middle school, and in both schools they had no idea what to do with it. So all we did was get put in front of some math or reading educational software and learn nothing about computers. I have a funny feeling the methods haven't advanced by much since then.
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Renegret posted:We had a computer lab in both my elementary and middle school, and in both schools they had no idea what to do with it. So all we did was get put in front of some math or reading educational software and learn nothing about computers. It's different now. Now they get put in front of a web browser aimed at something educational, and hope that it's locked down enough that they can't go do something else.
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If you think about it, folders are just a type of primary key.
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Nah, folders are just a componant from which the primary key of filepath is derived. This is particularly obvious on *nix systems where you can have lots of them that point at the same block of data on disk.
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guppy posted:We had a typing class too, but that's not the same thing. Yes, I was mentioned it because that was the extent of computer education at my high school outside of an AP CS class. If you wanted computing concepts you needed to go the community college.
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Renegret posted:We had a computer lab in both my elementary and middle school, and in both schools they had no idea what to do with it. So all we did was get put in front of some math or reading educational software and learn nothing about computers. My highschool had a fancy computer room that they named LAB 2000 and then had to rename within a couple years because, well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppzVTcSRjA
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The hierarchy of folders is a vestigial side effect of physical documents/folders, where you can only put a document in one folder and that folder can only go in one other folder etc. There's no intrinsic need for this in software, you can have your document be in many different folders at once if you want, and that's basically what tagging is. Just combine that with a nice browser view for digging through your tags (i.e. by count of items tagged, date of last access, etc) and you have something that's more useful and more intuitive for someone who's never actually touched a manila folder before.
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Tags are just a nice GUI for symlinks.
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