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Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy
In our big management shakeup, one of the goals is a reorg to meet ITIL standards. Right now our organization is kind of a mess so I believe that this is coming from a good place, except we don't have the infrastructure in place nor have the support to fix all the broken poo poo.

All this to say, I just closed a 9 day old ticket because when the user called the help desk, they opened the ticket incorrectly and it's been bouncing around internal teams for over a week before it finally landed in my queue. Because it got manually assigned, it bypassed the automated approvals process and there's no way to manually kick it off, so I had to close the ticket and request the user resubmit a new ticket.

If I was the user I'd be pisssssssssed. Though secretly I'm loving the ticketing bloodlust.

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minusX
Jun 16, 2007

Say something hideous and horrible jumps out at you. Something so disgusting that it simply must die.
Ah! Oh!..So tacky! I can't...look...directly at it!

People should've kicked something like that back sooner saying you didn't follow the process, no idea why people passed it along instead of dealing with it.


Speaking of people not understanding how to make a ticket: I just kicked back a ticket to the service desk where the end user is a dev who just...copy and pasted the whole error they were seeing without any context. Service Desk reassigned it to level 3 leaving the random 161 character error message as the subject. No idea who thought that was acceptable.

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy

minusX posted:

People should've kicked something like that back sooner saying you didn't follow the process, no idea why people passed it along instead of dealing with it.


Speaking of people not understanding how to make a ticket: I just kicked back a ticket to the service desk where the end user is a dev who just...copy and pasted the whole error they were seeing without any context. Service Desk reassigned it to level 3 leaving the random 161 character error message as the subject. No idea who thought that was acceptable.

because the entire thing is fundamentally broken.

My boss had opened a service desk ticket earlier today for a change we need to be made within Service Now and they routed the ticket back to him to work on. When I told him it was in our queue he looked like he ready to just give up on life.

thewizardofshoe
Feb 24, 2013

Sorry, forgot to triage this ticket from 10 days ago. Let me pass it to your team now that the user is angrily demanding an update without taking responsibility for sitting on it in a different queue for so long.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


I get that with presales stuff, "the customer is real mad that they've not heard back on their query for three weeks, I told them we'd have a quote over today, can you see what they need?"

It's why I don't talk to customers without an account manager present.

Zorak of Michigan
Jun 10, 2006


Where did this pattern where you deploy an application by logging into a web site, filling out a form, downloading an executable from a non-permanent link, and then executing it with sudo come from? I have seen this twice in the last two months and it just pisses me off. No, I am not going to give you sudo access to run whatever script you happened to download, unless you show me the security exception for it. No, I am not going to assign a sysadmin to sit with you and run it whenever you want as part of application installation. Cattle, not pets. Tell the vendor to do better.

curl | sudo bash is bad enough but at least there was usually some hope that we could run curl ourselves, inspect the payload, and delivery whatever was being downloaded ourselves to a set path, and then give people access to run sudo against that exact file. Now they've invented a way to keep us from doing any inspection at all.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


Looks like purchasing went ahead with the other vendor. Almost no consultation with us. One more nail in the "once this app is gone, I'm out" coffin.

nexxai
Jul 17, 2002

quack quack bjork
Fun Shoe

Zorak of Michigan posted:

curl | sudo bash is bad enough but at least there was usually some hope that we could run curl ourselves, inspect the payload, and delivery whatever was being downloaded ourselves to a set path, and then give people access to run sudo against that exact file. Now they've invented a way to keep us from doing any inspection at all.

Not the point of your point, I know, but I want to make sure that people know that you can still do what you're requesting.

Just don't pipe the output of curl to the sudo bash. Download it first, look over it, and then if you're comfortable with it, run it with sudo.

Zorak of Michigan
Jun 10, 2006


Er that's what I was trying to say. I hate curl | bash but I can make it work in our corporate environment. These newer apps, where they expect you to create the download artifact anew for every installation, are the ones that bother me.

I think some of these developers are so cloud-centric and schooled in DevOps that they have no idea how to write commercial software that someone might need to install in an old-school on-prem world.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


This is similarly why we're looking at a new backup solution. We still have a bunch of on-prem stuff and it's not going away (much as a senior VP announced SO PROUDLY at a meeting 8 years ago that 5 years from then we wouldn't even have a datacenter), and the current solution loving sucks for a good portion of my gear. Like 25-30h backups, which makes it difficult to keep poo poo current.

But cloud everything was the future 10 years ago, just like AI everything is now. I shudder to think about some of the complete and utter AI-hosed garbage we're going to be dealing with in the next several years.

And people ask me why I like legacy systems while I quietly pet my P9 boxes (quietly because you can't hear anything but that fucker's fans when you're less than 10 feet away, but I love them).

klosterdev
Oct 10, 2006

Na na na na na na na na Batman!
I mean if you're talking backups, that's a good example of cloud solutions making sense for all but the largest of companies. If you had cloud buy-in from the suits, backups would be the first thing I'd utilize for an off-site backup.

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob
Anybody having strange DHCP issues with the October Windows Server patches? I'm not 100% sure whether that's what I'm dealing with, and if it is, it's only affecting certain types of clients.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
As part of a new conference area in our HQ they bought a one person glassed in "focus room." I'm not sure who would actually use it, and that it has a whiteboard inside like two people would go in there for a meeting is laughable. What's even more laughable is that I just went to the manufacturer's website and this model starts at $18,000.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Gonna go in there and focus on taking a nap.

johnny park
Sep 15, 2009

What the hell kind of "focus room" has glass walls?? :wtc:

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

It's not a focus room if you cant watch your phone porno in privacy.

Zorak of Michigan
Jun 10, 2006


klosterdev posted:

I mean if you're talking backups, that's a good example of cloud solutions making sense for all but the largest of companies. If you had cloud buy-in from the suits, backups would be the first thing I'd utilize for an off-site backup.

I think the point isn't "cloud bad" but "any backup that takes more than a day to run is not suited to purpose." The question of why that's been allowed to continue without being corrected by any means necessary is presumably giving poor Alex an ulcer right now.

Tomfoolery
Oct 8, 2004

johnny park posted:

What the hell kind of "focus room" has glass walls?? :wtc:

It's not the person in the room who is focusing

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Zorak of Michigan posted:

I think the point isn't "cloud bad" but "any backup that takes more than a day to run is not suited to purpose." The question of why that's been allowed to continue without being corrected by any means necessary is presumably giving poor Alex an ulcer right now.

A solid backup strategy balances time to complete the backup, time between the backups (aka how much data loss you're okay with), and money spent on resources to perform the backups (both personnel and equipment).

It's something of an art. I spent almost ten years in that space, and it was a huge struggle to get anyone to do it.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋

broke: concentration camp
woke: focus room

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


Zorak of Michigan posted:

I think the point isn't "cloud bad" but "any backup that takes more than a day to run is not suited to purpose." The question of why that's been allowed to continue without being corrected by any means necessary is presumably giving poor Alex an ulcer right now.

They literally gave up on the diagnosis on why it was so bad for our particular environment. We went up to 2x 25GB LACP pairs on the backup NICs on our new gear and it made zero difference.

And like Zorak said: IDGAF where or how they want to store it, cloud or on prem, but when your response is "dunno, works fine for all of our cloud based stuff, we're giving up", that's when it gets frustrating. I just need our backups for the system of record for the company to function in a way that allows for appropriate recovery. And a backup that takes less than an entire day should be part of that.

johnny park
Sep 15, 2009

Just had a manager send in a request for us to give access to Folder A to an employee. The manager doesn't own that folder (but does have access to it), so I had to forward their request to the folder owner, and told the manager I'd let them know when I got approval. The manager's response was to take the files they wanted the employee to use out of Folder A and put them in Folder B, which is a folder the manager owns, then tell us the employee's access to folder B is approved. Bruh

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Weekly IT meeting, I do (mostly) nothing with enduser support, but our HD manager and my boss are in the meeting as well as me and the CTO

CTO: every time I have a meeting with other execs they always say their computers are having X Y Z problem
Me: Did they put in a ticket?
CTO: LOL they aren't gonna put in a ticket
Me:.....
CTO: Can we have the HD reach out to all execs and proactively look at their computers and see if they have problems
HD Manager: .... fine....
Me: That's nice for now, what about in a month or two when they all have problems again and aren't reporting them and let them build up?
CTO: Well that's fine, we're going to be good and everything will be working now
Me: Everything works until it doesn't
CTO: Yes but it will be working now
Me: Ok, so do you want the HD to once a month go and checkup on the execs to make sure they aren't stewing in problems and waiting to complain to you? Or do you want us to magically divine when they are having problems so we can go fix them before they complain?

I loving give up, we do not have the staff to actually do white gloves support like that but he wants it. The only reason I said anything was because I knew the HD manager wouldn't speak up for himself because he's used to getting walked on.

I don't even know why I give a poo poo, I'm just going to go back to no fucks mode.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Do the execs not have EAs that they grumble to about computer issues?

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Solid odds the EAs are the ones who actually use the computers anyway.

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik
One of our in house counsel accidentally emailed a document with sensitive information to someone internally who has the same name as the intended external recipient.

Ran the compliance report to purge and she had reported it as a phishing message. Our training is….working?

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob
EDIT: Never mind, this added nothing that wasn't already said

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Thanks Ants posted:

Do the execs not have EAs that they grumble to about computer issues?

it's this

as some that's done executive support before you almost never need to talk to the exec themselves

you work with the ea's they will know what the problem is and will get you access to fix it

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.

Nap Ghost

Dick Trauma posted:

As part of a new conference area in our HQ they bought a one person glassed in "focus room." I'm not sure who would actually use it, and that it has a whiteboard inside like two people would go in there for a meeting is laughable. What's even more laughable is that I just went to the manufacturer's website and this model starts at $18,000.

While one of our locations had a massive remodel going on, they had split the users of the building to 3 buildings around town. None of them were built for office space, so all of them were just open offices, and one person complained constantly how he couldn't have private meetings. Which, sure that is an issue, but he's the one who picked these locations. We actually looked those small phonebooth sized personal conference rooms for that location.
They were thousands of dollars and basically a chair with a small desk. All I could imagine was someone farting in the room, and holding the door closed while someone was in there though.

ponzicar
Mar 17, 2008

MF_James posted:

Weekly IT meeting, I do (mostly) nothing with enduser support, but our HD manager and my boss are in the meeting as well as me and the CTO

CTO: every time I have a meeting with other execs they always say their computers are having X Y Z problem
Me: Did they put in a ticket?
CTO: LOL they aren't gonna put in a ticket
Me:.....
CTO: Can we have the HD reach out to all execs and proactively look at their computers and see if they have problems
HD Manager: .... fine....
Me: That's nice for now, what about in a month or two when they all have problems again and aren't reporting them and let them build up?
CTO: Well that's fine, we're going to be good and everything will be working now
Me: Everything works until it doesn't
CTO: Yes but it will be working now
Me: Ok, so do you want the HD to once a month go and checkup on the execs to make sure they aren't stewing in problems and waiting to complain to you? Or do you want us to magically divine when they are having problems so we can go fix them before they complain?

I loving give up, we do not have the staff to actually do white gloves support like that but he wants it. The only reason I said anything was because I knew the HD manager wouldn't speak up for himself because he's used to getting walked on.

I don't even know why I give a poo poo, I'm just going to go back to no fucks mode.

I know my current company is a good one because the C levels will actually put in tickets. At a previous job they'd refuse to stoop to something so common and instead would text the IT director directly, who'd then try to play helpdesk despite being very out of practice; it would take him 20 minutes to figure out something someone actually on the helpdesk team would solve in 30 seconds.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




The Fool posted:

it's this

as some that's done executive support before you almost never need to talk to the exec themselves

you work with the ea's they will know what the problem is and will get you access to fix it

That would have been nice.

In my experience VIP support comes down to them preferring to spend 15 minutes yelling at you about how hosed up their laptop is instead of handing it to you for five minutes to fix the problem.

Never give executives anything you can't just hand them a newly imaged replacement for.

mllaneza fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Oct 18, 2024

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Thanks Ants posted:

Do the execs not have EAs that they grumble to about computer issues?

Only the CEO has an EA afaik

Part of the problem is that they have problems and don't report them, when we find out about them, they're always too busy using their computer to let the HD work on it, so round and round things go.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Execs doing work on their computers? What is this alien concept?

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




ponzicar posted:

I know my current company is a good one because the C levels will actually put in tickets. At a previous job they'd refuse to stoop to something so common and instead would text the IT director directly, who'd then try to play helpdesk despite being very out of practice; it would take him 20 minutes to figure out something someone actually on the helpdesk team would solve in 30 seconds.

At a company I've been outsourced to on occasion, I actually heard "who taught x to send in tickets?", as a negative towards x. The helpdesk manager is a people pleaser who at least had the honesty to tell me to not bother with actual documentation, since nobody would maintain it, and a number of users (such as one EA) just email (or walk up to) the IT manager, who just forwards us the email, or tells us.

Zorak of Michigan
Jun 10, 2006


Serperoth posted:

At a company I've been outsourced to on occasion, I actually heard "who taught x to send in tickets?", as a negative towards x. The helpdesk manager is a people pleaser who at least had the honesty to tell me to not bother with actual documentation, since nobody would maintain it, and a number of users (such as one EA) just email (or walk up to) the IT manager, who just forwards us the email, or tells us.

What I hear is, "Don't spend time writing documentation, spend it sending job applications."

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


mllaneza posted:


Never give executives anything you can't just hand them a newly imaged replacement for.

this is the ideal for all users, not just execs

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


me: you do NOT need a new router

customer, a few days later: your tech VERY POMPOUSLY told me that i needed to buy a new router and so i bought a $1500 new router and it's sitll wrong!!!!

wizard2
Apr 4, 2022

Shugojin posted:

me: you do NOT need a new router

customer, a few days later: your tech VERY POMPOUSLY told me that i needed to buy a new router and so i bought a $1500 new router and it's sitll wrong!!!!

why would you do that to him? :confused:

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


wizard2 posted:

why would you do that to him? :confused:

in my defense she WAS eating when she called in which is deeply unforgiveable

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Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




Zorak of Michigan posted:

What I hear is, "Don't spend time writing documentation, spend it sending job applications."

That particular client is a dead end, yeah. Even if I end up staying at the MSP, one of my discussions will be to not outsource at them again.

That said, I am touching up my CV as we speak, never hurts to send something out. Need to contact the writing goon sometime.

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