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Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


Internet Explorer posted:

Basically what I'm saying is that you're all a bunch of users.

*throws molotov cocktail and runs away*

i'll use YOU

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Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Now we're talking! :biglips:

I'm going to sneak into your Start menu even though you didn't install me so that some middle manager at Microsoft can include "grew user base of Internet Explorer 1,000% YoY" and his whole management chain gets very excited and then it gets to the one person who remembers that they're trying to get users off of Internet Explorer and not on Internet Explorer. And then IE1kPercentYoY gets shunted into the "Microsoft is now an AI company" initiative.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/01/amid-a-flurry-of-hype-microsoft-reorganizes-entire-dev-team-around-ai/

Internet Explorer fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Jan 15, 2025

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


The AI being crammed in does suck poo poo but that's a relatively new problem for the OS

I don't even hate Edge being there because it's like. Sometimes i need to check a website in a totally fresh browser instance so one i never loving use is convenient

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


I use Edge because work won't let me use Firefox.

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy
I use edge at work

exclusively for ticketing, because I have a bad too many tabs habit. It's an effective way to keep all my open tickets in one place.

Exodor
Oct 1, 2004
I use Edge when I want to use something other than Firefox or I want to make sure my various add-ons don't break something (like buying concert tickets for example).

I don't understand people who install Chrome when another Chromium browser is already installed. I guess they just really want to feed all their browsing data to Google? :shrug:

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


My gripe with Windows 11 is that it requires TPM, and MS has been forcing full-loving-page warnings about "Windows 10 EOL-UPGRADE TO WINDOWS 11 NOW!!!1!" on my old-rear end machines running Win10 that I CAN'T run Win 11 on. Those machines run Win10 just fine for what I need despite being ancient - obviously not production business machines. I'd upgrade them to 11 if I could, MS. Maybe have some sort of system before recommending an upgrade?

Also AI garbage that nobody asked for.

Besides that, Windows 11 is fine.

Geemer
Nov 4, 2010



Darchangel posted:

Also AI garbage that nobody asked for.

Besides that, Windows 11 is fine.

Don't worry, Microsoft is hard at work at backporting that garbage to Windows 10.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Darchangel posted:

My gripe with Windows 11 is that it requires TPM, and MS has been forcing full-loving-page warnings about "Windows 10 EOL-UPGRADE TO WINDOWS 11 NOW!!!1!" on my old-rear end machines running Win10 that I CAN'T run Win 11 on. Those machines run Win10 just fine for what I need despite being ancient - obviously not production business machines. I'd upgrade them to 11 if I could, MS. Maybe have some sort of system before recommending an upgrade?

Also AI garbage that nobody asked for.

Besides that, Windows 11 is fine.

We rolled out 11 to hundreds of computers with no TPM by pushing the reg key to get past it.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Are these particularly specialised computers because it seems like you'd have to have a fairly old PC by now to not run Windows 11 without having to hack it

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Fuckin 2020 model desktops. I threw up a picture of the 50 desktops sitting in my house. Same model. Might be tpm 1.1 vs 2.0.

ChubbyThePhat
Dec 22, 2006

Who nico nico needs anyone else
I'm forced to use Edge for the rare times I have to open our ticketing instance due to it not loading correctly in any chromium browser.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Thanks Ants posted:

Are these particularly specialised computers because it seems like you'd have to have a fairly old PC by now to not run Windows 11 without having to hack it

A lot of motherboard makers have been incredibly slow to add PTT/fTPM to BIOS, I think asus did it almost six years after intel launched the feature and obviously only updated firmwares on a handful of previously sold boards.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017


Windows 11 Pro is fine. Being able to just turn poo poo off on my personal machine because Group Policy exists is useful as gently caress.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


GreenNight posted:

Fuckin 2020 model desktops. I threw up a picture of the 50 desktops sitting in my house. Same model. Might be tpm 1.1 vs 2.0.

I had an 8th gen Intel HP that had a TPM firmware update to take it to version 2.0, I guess you've already checked that

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

To be honest maybe it just works now. I just blanket applied the reg entries to all of them.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010


I used to think edge was handy to have installed for when you just need to use a different browser. Then it started auto-importing all my chrome bookmarks and data every time it was opened even when the option was specifically turned off. Removing the imported information and reopening it would cause it to import everything again.

I left my feedback about this "feature" with the feedback hub.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


That’s another feature I zap with policy, so amazingly user hostile and whatever dev put it in should have said no

Cool Dad
Jun 15, 2007

Look out, here come my posts
I also edge at work

Wait what thread is this

Bone Crimes
Mar 7, 2007

Rexxed posted:

I used to think edge was handy to have installed for when you just need to use a different browser. Then it started auto-importing all my chrome bookmarks and data every time it was opened even when the option was specifically turned off. Removing the imported information and reopening it would cause it to import everything again.

I left my feedback about this "feature" with the feedback hub.

This has also happened to me, and I was really miffed about it. It kinda felt like a privacy violation? Like if microsoft mail just stole your contact list and emails from your other email program then pretended it was fine that it did that.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

ChubbyThePhat posted:

I'm forced to use Edge for the rare times I have to open our ticketing instance due to it not loading correctly in any chromium browser.

uhhh

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Yeah I'm just going to assume they meant Edge with IE mode, like god intended.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Internet Explorer posted:

Yeah I'm just going to assume they meant Edge with IE mode, like god intended.

Or he installed an LTSC so old it never moved edge to chromium. Nerds loved to suggest LTSC as "this way it will never do feature updates you don't want" for a while.

my cat is norris
Mar 11, 2010

#onecallcat

a bios update finally got me on win11 on my personal computer and i don't hate it

it's annoying sometimes but so is every single operating system ever made

i like to have more hands-on experience with the OS deployed at work because that usually means less time spent researching weird issues

A Frosty Witch
Apr 21, 2005

I was just looking at it and I suddenly got this urge to get inside. No, not just an urge - more than that. It was my destiny to be here; in the box.
Too much Windows 11, not enough funny tickets.

Please do the needful.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Got a user asking for a KVM switch because he has 4 laptops. One from us and one from each customer he supports.

Exodor
Oct 1, 2004
My biggest gripe with Win11 is that my cheapo flatbed scanner won't work with it. That scanner is attached to an old Win10 PC that can't be upgraded to Win11 anyway so this fall I have to either buy a new scanner, take the risk of using Win10 after it stops getting updated or convert that Win10 PC to some version of Linux.

I'm lazy and don't want to do anything so I might wind up just disconnecting that PC from the internet altogether

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Exodor posted:

I'm lazy and don't want to do anything so I might wind up just disconnecting that PC from the internet altogether

I'd just do this :shrug:

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017
I got tired of loving with scanners and their shite drivers so I solved it by buying a small office MFP with an ADF, not going back ever. If you feel stingy most MFP will scan even if the printer part if gone, so plenty of busted printers available online for pennies.

Everett False
Sep 28, 2006

Mopsy, I'm starting to question your medical credentials.

When I was younger I always had ObjectDock and Launchy installed so that I could easily keep stuff on the side of the screen and do basic math with my keyboard. Then for a while I could just use the regular start menu for stuff so I stopped bothering. Then in Windows 11 they stopped letting me move my taskbar and kept trying to search for stuff online when i just wanted to get 80% of something fast. So now I have ObjectDock and Flow Launcher. It's fine. Every time support needs to connect to my computer for the unbelievably lovely finance software we're replacing this year, the tech gets very confused and disoriented by my lack of start menu and desktop icons. "Where are your files??"

I have Edge installed on my iPad because it's got the best free text-to-speech imho. Also I like to imagine having it there causes psychic damage to Steve Jobs' ghost somehow.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Everett False posted:

I have Edge installed on my iPad because it's got the best free text-to-speech imho. Also I like to imagine having it there causes psychic damage to Steve Jobs' ghost somehow.

every web browser in ios is just a ui wrapper on safari

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

SlowBloke posted:

I got tired of loving with scanners and their shite drivers so I solved it by buying a small office MFP with an ADF, not going back ever. If you feel stingy most MFP will scan even if the printer part if gone, so plenty of busted printers available online for pennies.

100% this. Scanning direct to a PC is just a hellscape of shitware, both the drivers and the applications doing the scanning. I always recommend to my clients that they just get a decent MFP that supports scanning to a network share. Insert document, push button, and 30 seconds later a PDF appears on the share ready for use. The places that insist on individual desktop scanners are constantly having problems with them, where the only real problem with the network share is that every model seems to have its own unique needs as far as how the SMB path and credentials are input to make it work, so whenever the unit is replaced there's a period of loving around while getting useless error messages trying to make the new one connect.

The one site that insists on scanning from a network MFP direct to PCs, I wish the building would burn down. At any given time at least one computer there just can't find the MFP as a scanner despite being able to print to it and the identical computer right next to it having no problem.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



If what you're scanning is documents on plain sheets of paper, in a business setting, yes scan to network share (or to email) is the way to go. Maybe scan directly into an archival system if that's the use case.
Only if you're working with graphic material, or with historical documents on old or weird paper, then get a dedicated flatbed scanner and control it from the workstation.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

nielsm posted:

If what you're scanning is documents on plain sheets of paper, in a business setting, yes scan to network share (or to email) is the way to go. Maybe scan directly into an archival system if that's the use case.
Only if you're working with graphic material, or with historical documents on old or weird paper, then get a dedicated flatbed scanner and control it from the workstation.
Oh yeah for sure, I'm talking about offices scanning almost exclusively US Letter or US Legal size documents, occasionally lifting the flatbed lid to scan an ID or insurance card (for which we have a different button that scans to a color PNG instead of a greyscale PDF).

For specialized needs like you describe I'd probably set up a dedicated scanning workstation and then treat it in the same way as a CNC machine running Windows 98, giving it the bare minimum network access required to be useful to the business. No updates, no browsing the web, just access to whatever server the scans need to end up on for people to work with them.

EvenWorseOpinions
Jun 10, 2017
I actually came in to ask about scanners. My use case is to have digital copies of various sort of important personal documents so I can get rid of the physical copies and pray my storage device never craps out. I'm looking at scanning possibly hundreds of documents to get caught up.

I was thinking about getting a purpose-built scanner to do this faster, but it sounds like the recommendation would still be to get an MFP?

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


EvenWorseOpinions posted:

I actually came in to ask about scanners. My use case is to have digital copies of various sort of important personal documents so I can get rid of the physical copies and pray my storage device never craps out. I'm looking at scanning possibly hundreds of documents to get caught up.

I was thinking about getting a purpose-built scanner to do this faster, but it sounds like the recommendation would still be to get an MFP?

It is against my moral code to ever recommend someone buy a printer. I bought a second-hand Fujitsu ScanSnap S1300 a couple years back and it has been totally solid. They're discontinued now and I don't know what the modern equivalent is, but it's just a simple passthrough document scanner. Folds up when you're not using it and take up very little space. Highly recommended. Could get one right now for about $60 on ebay.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
We have a plethora of Scansnap desktop scanners here with very few complaints. Mostly people have the "home" version of the software installed and that gives them touchscreen buttons to quickly scan and bring up the software on their PC.

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




Dick Trauma posted:

We have a plethora

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA

Dick Trauma posted:

We have a plethora of Scansnap desktop scanners here with very few complaints. Mostly people have the "home" version of the software installed and that gives them touchscreen buttons to quickly scan and bring up the software on their PC.

I cannot suggest these enough, we use them in manufacturing areas where it's filthy to scan paperwork, and Larry Seven Fingers is able to get the scans to scan without calling the helpdesk about it.

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Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

To this day on the rare occasion that I have to unwrap a gift I still often say "It's a sweater!" no matter what it really is.

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