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BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009





Isepic posted:

This has bit me in the rear end on RHEL before, due to me ignoring the huge warning in resolv.conf that these changes will be overwritten by NetworkManager.
I wish I could could say I’m surprised, but something out of RedHat breaking with ideas that’re almost as old as their current owners is.. not shocking.

tactlessbastard posted:

This morning someone drew a swastika on the floor. Finding out who did it is not fun, but then when I do, I will fire them, which will be fun.
May I recommend the sun as a target to fire them at?

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Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


How brain dead do you have to be to draw a swastika on the floor at work. Even if you believe all that poo poo you can pretty much espouse it all day long if you make a slight effort to maintain plausible deniability, have a representative from the ADL on hand to give you a free pass by insisting it's because you were excited, or any number of media chuds to turn it into the next free speech rallying cry.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


Nobody said they were smart

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

tactlessbastard posted:

This morning someone drew a swastika on the floor. Finding out who did it is not fun, but then when I do, I will fire them, which will be fun.
:munch:

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

BaseballPCHiker posted:

Incredible. Honestly surprised they were able to find the source considering the amount of work it took to trace it.
That is one thing about analog telephone lines, you are literally making an electrical circuit from one point to another so it's always possible to trace it if someone's willing to bother.

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

An unwritten Unix rule is that changes are always done in config files, and programs are reloaded (from disk, using SIGHUP) - for this very reason.
I think the behaviour dates back to Multics?
*laughs in :c2b:*
I'm going to pick on NGINX Unit because it's fresh in my mind but I've seen this model in a lot of applications intended to be used in a heavily containerized environment: https://unit.nginx.org/configuration/

The official way to configure it is through a REST API, not config files. Off the top of my head the Kazoo telecom platform does the same thing.

Aunt Beth
Feb 23, 2006

Baby, you're ready!
Grimey Drawer
The PSTN is predominantly digital now, the days of switching systems are quite far in the past

cathoderaydude
Nov 23, 2024

bandwidth on demand

Aunt Beth posted:

The PSTN is predominantly digital now, the days of switching systems are quite far in the past

correct, but everything is still logically circuit switched. unlike IP, where there is simply no way to tell what happens to a packet once it gets switched or routed, in telecom every single digital link has a known beginning and end that are rigidly fixed in space and can be traced to physical locations point by point.

the part that's really problematic is figuring out where the analog line at the end of the chain goes, since the wire just goes into a pipe in the wall and is buried under miles of dirt that you can't dig up or necessarily trace physically. at some point, there has to be a paper tag labeled "123 FAKE ST" or you're just boned.

Bone Crimes
Mar 7, 2007

cathoderaydude posted:

correct, but everything is still logically circuit switched. unlike IP, where there is simply no way to tell what happens to a packet once it gets switched or routed, in telecom every single digital link has a known beginning and end that are rigidly fixed in space and can be traced to physical locations point by point.

the part that's really problematic is figuring out where the analog line at the end of the chain goes, since the wire just goes into a pipe in the wall and is buried under miles of dirt that you can't dig up or necessarily trace physically. at some point, there has to be a paper tag labeled "123 FAKE ST" or you're just boned.

There's a CO at 14th and 63rd in Ballard that I've walked by, and it has a window. I don't think I've ever seen a CO with a window before. Anyways, it looks like exactly the 'straight out of 1967' vision that I had in my head of what they looked like - just fricking wires everywhere. I have no idea how somebody would arrange it, but it would be good if someone smart in this kind of stuff could do like a youtube video on it.



wizard2
Apr 4, 2022

Bone Crimes posted:

There's a CO at 14th and 63rd in Ballard that I've walked by, and it has a window. I don't think I've ever seen a CO with a window before. Anyways, it looks like exactly the 'straight out of 1967' vision that I had in my head of what they looked like - just fricking wires everywhere. I have no idea how somebody would arrange it, but it would be good if someone smart in this kind of stuff could do like a youtube video on it.





thats so loving sick

cathoderaydude
Nov 23, 2024

bandwidth on demand

Bone Crimes posted:

There's a CO at 14th and 63rd in Ballard that I've walked by, and it has a window. I don't think I've ever seen a CO with a window before. Anyways, it looks like exactly the 'straight out of 1967' vision that I had in my head of what they looked like - just fricking wires everywhere. I have no idea how somebody would arrange it, but it would be good if someone smart in this kind of stuff could do like a youtube video on it.

my friend, you would do very well to visit the Connections Museum - both on YouTube and in person, since it's in Georgetown. your mind will be fully blown

Bone Crimes
Mar 7, 2007

cathoderaydude posted:

my friend, you would do very well to visit the Connections Museum - both on YouTube and in person, since it's in Georgetown. your mind will be fully blown

holy poo poo, how did I not know about this?

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009





cathoderaydude posted:

correct, but everything is still logically circuit switched. unlike IP, where there is simply no way to tell what happens to a packet once it gets switched or routed, in telecom every single digital link has a known beginning and end that are rigidly fixed in space and can be traced to physical locations point by point.

the part that's really problematic is figuring out where the analog line at the end of the chain goes, since the wire just goes into a pipe in the wall and is buried under miles of dirt that you can't dig up or necessarily trace physically. at some point, there has to be a paper tag labeled "123 FAKE ST" or you're just boned.
I would've thought that with IP networks and the use of SCTP, you wouldn't need to know where a packet goes, with the labeling?

Speaking of, if anyone knows how far SIGTRAN is, I'd love to hear about it - I've got zero connections in the industry anymore, and finding public information on what's being deployed was difficult even before search engines stopped being useful for technical subjects.

you ate my cat
Jul 1, 2007

Bone Crimes posted:

There's a CO at 14th and 63rd in Ballard that I've walked by, and it has a window. I don't think I've ever seen a CO with a window before. Anyways, it looks like exactly the 'straight out of 1967' vision that I had in my head of what they looked like - just fricking wires everywhere. I have no idea how somebody would arrange it, but it would be good if someone smart in this kind of stuff could do like a youtube video on it.


There's a bunch of stuff if you sort this channel by oldest first, but I've always enjoyed this video of a live switch cutover in 1984. I never really thought about how physical the origin of the term "cutover" actually is.

cathoderaydude
Nov 23, 2024

bandwidth on demand

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

I would've thought that with IP networks and the use of SCTP, you wouldn't need to know where a packet goes, with the labeling?

Speaking of, if anyone knows how far SIGTRAN is, I'd love to hear about it - I've got zero connections in the industry anymore, and finding public information on what's being deployed was difficult even before search engines stopped being useful for technical subjects.

I don't really know for sure here, but to the best of my knowledge all the ILECs are still using SS7 over TDM links. It's all fiber now but channels are still nailed to physical addresses at both ends. They very much want to stop doing that, but I've heard nothing to the effect that they actually have made any progress on it. Not having worked at a actual wireline LEC however I would concede to anyone with direct knowledge.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

cathoderaydude posted:

the part that's really problematic is figuring out where the analog line at the end of the chain goes, since the wire just goes into a pipe in the wall and is buried under miles of dirt that you can't dig up or necessarily trace physically. at some point, there has to be a paper tag labeled "123 FAKE ST" or you're just boned.
Scream test it?

Bone Crimes
Mar 7, 2007

you ate my cat posted:

There's a bunch of stuff if you sort this channel by oldest first, but I've always enjoyed this video of a live switch cutover in 1984. I never really thought about how physical the origin of the term "cutover" actually is.

This is great, thanks.
Announcer voice:
WR-Glendale ESS Cutover 47.2 seconds - no shorts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saRir95iIWk&t=231s

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Hell yeah what a soundtrack

Time to pimp this show again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R9bHJfymjg

Thanks Ants fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Feb 17, 2025

sfwarlock
Aug 11, 2007

BaseballPCHiker posted:

I use Mint at home as my daily driver and its great. I mean it tries to be the most user friendly, close to windows distro out there, so its not to much of a leap.

Ive used it for close to 10 years now and would never go back. Between nearly everything being or having a webapp and running Wine its pretty rare I need anything to run on Windows. And if I do I just spin up a VM to do whatever it is I need to do.

I only have one windows machine anymore and it's for gaming. Everything else is mint or kubuntu.

Meanwhile, I will just skip to the punchline of today's nonsense: "You put an interrobang in your password‽"

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy
Well now I'm inspired for some new bullshit to pull when I set people up with temporary passwords.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
You'd be amazed how many characters password setting fields will let you enter that login fields will refuse to accept.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


The most frustating password field I dealt with was one that sat in front of a system with an 8 character password length, but this wasn't mentioned and the frontend handled it by silently dropping any characters past the eight one from your password when you created it, so whatever got stored in you password manager was too long. Then the login form didn't behave the same way, it accepted the full length password, used that to log in with, and failed.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
A fun pssword fail I ran into was some work stations that had these little compact keyboards on them where the numpad was overlaid on the right half of the keyboard. So if you had numlock on the right half of the keyboard starts typing numbers instead of letters.
This became an issue when the password on those stations was switched from something that could be typed entirely left-handed to something that crossed onto the right half of the keyboard.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Thanks Ants posted:

The most frustating password field I dealt with was one that sat in front of a system with an 8 character password length, but this wasn't mentioned and the frontend handled it by silently dropping any characters past the eight one from your password when you created it, so whatever got stored in you password manager was too long. Then the login form didn't behave the same way, it accepted the full length password, used that to log in with, and failed.

God I've had this happen multiple times, not even 8character limits, I've had limits be 14, 15, 16 and just never mentioned anywhere.

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

.

BaseballPCHiker fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Apr 1, 2025

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


The button to reveal the password if you hold it down is a really good feature for verifying what has been typed

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




Had a password for a bank once that included an asterisk, I believe as the last character. I don't know if their support believed me when I told them I hadn't forgotten, but I still refuse to use asterisks in passwords.

klosterdev
Oct 10, 2006

Na na na na na na na na Batman!
Core memory unlocked: That time I thought I knew my mom's password. It was not eight asterisks in a row.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


klosterdev posted:

Core memory unlocked: That time I thought I knew my mom's password. It was not eight asterisks in a row.

:kiddo:

Fortis
Oct 21, 2009

feelin' fine
At a previous job I saw the Director of Accounting put in his AD password during a meeting to log into that room's main display PC and it was just the number 8 eight times. Turns out it's pretty easy to tell what someone is typing when it's a password like that.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Yeah but that's just his AD password. His bank pin is four fours and his phone unlocks with six sixes :smugbert:

Aunt Beth
Feb 23, 2006

Baby, you're ready!
Grimey Drawer

Fortis posted:

At a previous job I saw the Director of Accounting put in his AD password during a meeting to log into that room's main display PC and it was just the number 8 eight times. Turns out it's pretty easy to tell what someone is typing when it's a password like that.
I had a professor whose password was lkjlkjlkj and he wasn’t shy about it

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy

Arquinsiel posted:

Yeah but that's just his AD password. His bank pin is four fours and his phone unlocks with six sixes :smugbert:

2580 nobody will ever guess this

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




MF_James posted:

God I've had this happen multiple times, not even 8character limits, I've had limits be 14, 15, 16 and just never mentioned anywhere.

We had a period where our passwords had to be exactly 8 characters. That's what happens when you integrate Active Directory (8-char minimum) with an existing, load-bearing HP-UX system (8-char maximum).

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

mllaneza posted:

We had a period where our passwords had to be exactly 8 characters. That's what happens when you integrate Active Directory (8-char minimum) with an existing, load-bearing HP-UX system (8-char maximum).

oh yeah well aware of the old 8char HP-UX limit, I've run into it many times, but random websites with double digit character limits was a new one to me.

Sywert of Thieves
Nov 7, 2005

The pirate code is really more of a guideline, than actual rules.

Entropic posted:

A fun pssword fail I ran into was some work stations that had these little compact keyboards on them where the numpad was overlaid on the right half of the keyboard. So if you had numlock on the right half of the keyboard starts typing numbers instead of letters.
This became an issue when the password on those stations was switched from something that could be typed entirely left-handed to something that crossed onto the right half of the keyboard.

My first laptop had this back in 1998. It was really confusing after a BIOS update that somehow changed the default numlock state, and my Windows password no longer worked, until I realised the mistake.

Re: weak password chat, my family realized my dad used a fairly weak password (a 3-letter phrase repeated twice) after his passing, and I had to crack a password-protected Word document with his bank details he left us. He had used that password for decades, across all his accounts.

Aunt Beth
Feb 23, 2006

Baby, you're ready!
Grimey Drawer
I hope it was poopoo

Sywert of Thieves
Nov 7, 2005

The pirate code is really more of a guideline, than actual rules.

No it was some genetic sequence. He was a huge nerd. :allears:

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Sywert of Thieves posted:

No it was some genetic sequence. He was a huge nerd. :allears:

An early form of biometrics!

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


Maybe your dad just liked Gattaca

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DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness
he just wanted two cats his entire life and never told anyone

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