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cathoderaydude posted:my friend, you would do very well to visit the Connections Museum - both on YouTube and in person, since it's in Georgetown. your mind will be fully blown So I went today to the connections museum and it is rad. All the guts of old tech. My non-techy wife also knew about this museum, so somehow I'm the last to know!  They had teletype number 4 there hooked up to a news service thing they created to convert headlines to TTY - we got the print out of BBC headlines. Unfortunately they're awful, so I won't post the print out of them. Would have preferred the headlines to be period accurate too maybe.  Had fun telling my son about about how I knew somebody with one of these acoustic modems when I was a kid. I always thought they were neat, even if they were kinda old and sucky at the time. They had it working and connecting via pots to a debian server on the other side of the museum.  They're reverse engineering this switching computer. A custom 16bit instruction 20bit address machine.
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Bone Crimes posted:So I went today to the connections museum and it is rad. All the guts of old tech. My non-techy wife also knew about this museum, so somehow I'm the last to know! hell yes i'm so glad you went. it's always the right call in re the headlines, you know how there's like a billion places online where you can see "This Day In History"? i wonder if anyone actually has, you know. a database that could be easily frobbed to create exactly that, an outdated news ticker, with no intervention
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Bone Crimes posted:
One of my college professors talked about working on one of these back in the day and particularly about the moment of dismay when he realized he couldn't use it and listen to loud music at the same time  e: A couple other goons probably remember him too, Gerry Santoro at Penn State
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cathoderaydude posted:hell yes i'm so glad you went. it's always the right call Wikipedia has you covered!
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our ticketing system is about to release a big update and we got our preview instance today. functionally it's identical but the fonts are fancier and you can fit about 30% less stuff on screen because there's a ton of whitespace now. thank u sirs
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I am currently on month 8 of trying to get our development team to make the users list correctly display a list of users in our new product I'm so tired
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The Mattybee posted:I am currently on month 8 of trying to get our development team to make the users list correctly display a list of users in our new product sorry, there is no "users list" code. there are user beans, and the user beans expose a shortName property, and the shortName is ingested by a SortableViewBean, and the SortableViewBean is used in 500 places so we can't change that, and the user shortName has to be a database ID because of some code we wrote 15 years ago. WONTFIX
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Shugojin posted:One of my college professors talked about working on one of these back in the day and particularly about the moment of dismay when he realized he couldn't use it and listen to loud music at the same time gotta calibrate your 2600hz whistle skills
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cathoderaydude posted:sorry, there is no "users list" code. there are user beans, and the user beans expose a shortName property, and the shortName is ingested by a SortableViewBean, and the SortableViewBean is used in 500 places so we can't change that, and the user shortName has to be a database ID because of some code we wrote 15 years ago. WONTFIX In the Intermedia Powershell environment, all the Get-User and Get-DistributionGroup commands accept email addresses as input, but none of the Set-Verb commands do - they only accept GUIDs. So every single "set" command has to be preceded with a "get" command with | %{$_.GUID} to fetch the GUID of the object and pipe it into the set command 
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cathoderaydude posted:sorry, there is no "users list" code. there are user beans, and the user beans expose a shortName property, and the shortName is ingested by a SortableViewBean, and the SortableViewBean is used in 500 places so we can't change that, and the user shortName has to be a database ID because of some code we wrote 15 years ago. WONTFIX As a developer, it hurts when a simple user request can't be fulfilled easily because legacy code bullshit, or overengineered architecture by a dev that left long ago.
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"Hold on let me put you on speaker" No, user. Please dont. Youre driving with multiple people in the car and music playing.
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went to an on site thing yesterday to coordinate a switchover of their comcast to our service and found out that for some reason their MSP set them up with a special local DHCP server on a computer there, for their tiny office that has like 5 computers and 10 different kinds of printer in different locations
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Shugojin posted:went to an on site thing yesterday to coordinate a switchover of their comcast to our service and found out that for some reason their MSP set them up with a special local DHCP server on a computer there, for their tiny office that has like 5 computers and 10 different kinds of printer in different locations I'm not sure I understand the complaint here. Why shouldn't they have a local DHCP server?
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guppy posted:I'm not sure I understand the complaint here. Why shouldn't they have a local DHCP server? Oh, just that they set up something separate from the router when this is the simplest thing ever and in no way really needs that, so I assume they just did it to sucker money out of someone who didn't know better
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Shugojin posted:Oh, just that they set up something separate from the router when this is the simplest thing ever and in no way really needs that, so I assume they just did it to sucker money out of someone who didn't know better also, on a computer makes me think like... was this windows server? or just like tftpd32 running on a random desktop...?
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cathoderaydude posted:also, on a computer makes me think like... was this windows server? or just like tftpd32 running on a random desktop...? Microsoft strongly suggested to have a windows server at each site since not that long ago, maybe it's that?
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Shugojin posted:Oh, just that they set up something separate from the router when this is the simplest thing ever and in no way really needs that, so I assume they just did it to sucker money out of someone who didn't know better I mean, running DHCP from your router is fine. So is running a Windows server to run stuff like DHCP or whatever. You can do it however you want, but it's not wrong. Maybe they wanted the less technical staff (or themselves) to be able to change something without having to ssh or console into a router and type CLI commands. This isn't some great crime against the business as far as I can see.
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guppy posted:I mean, running DHCP from your router is fine. So is running a Windows server to run stuff like DHCP or whatever. You can do it however you want, but it's not wrong. Maybe they wanted the less technical staff (or themselves) to be able to change something without having to ssh or console into a router and type CLI commands. This isn't some great crime against the business as far as I can see. this all really depends on the details, there are arguments either way based on the exact circumstances, much like the eternal tension between competent ISP techs going "gently caress customers, stop asking to bridge the modem, you don't know what that means" and competent IT going "gently caress ISPs, just bridge the modem like i requested, stop trying to 'help', we know what we're doing." unless you're deploying a cisco or juniper as CPE, you're gonna have a web interface which is as easy or easier than interacting with microsoft management console for a random user. getting remote access to either is equally easy, you anydesk or w/e into a machine on site and then just hit the webui through a browser. and over the last 15 years there's been a cambrian explosion of competent, reliable cloud-managed firewall/router solutions that obviate all of this. on the flip side, MSPs are frequently in a position where they have to get some product to work with a customer's network, but have been informed (or discovered through trial and error) that coordinating with whoever runs the existing network to implement some kind of nuanced requirement is impossible. something as simple as "we need DHCP option 150 to be set to this value" can be impossible to get a third party to agree with, or to do consistently. you get the ISP or whoever to do it once, and then later they replace their gear or update the config and forget your setting. it really loving sucks trying to coordinate between orgs that have no direct business relationship; you're just externalities to each other, natural disasters that must be dealt with, not reasoned with. on the flip flip side, if VPNs get involved there's really good reasons to use windows server to run dhcp at a tiny site if it's going to then bridge over VPN to much bigger sites and needs to avoid DHCP collisions takes long drag off cigarette war is hell cathoderaydude fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Mar 7, 2025 |
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I had an I.T. job around 2000 where the server room was so piled over with crap that I didn't find the DNS server for a few months. I had made my way to a desk in the back of the room, cleared away the detritus and found a Daystar Mac clone running headless. Hooked up a monitor and the screen showed an app called something like Panda DNS. 
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Feels like there'd be a market for something based on a Pi compute module that would do centrally managed DHCP and DNS proxying for branch locations, and HA when you install two of them. Most firewall appliances are poo poo at it and don't really have a concept of IPAM across locations.
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Thanks Ants posted:Feels like there'd be a market for something based on a Pi compute module that would do centrally managed DHCP and DNS proxying for branch locations, and HA when you install two of them. Most firewall appliances are poo poo at it and don't really have a concept of IPAM across locations. imo by the time you're selling someone an appliance of any kind, they go "in for a penny in for a pound," get got by a sales pitch in an elevator, and a moment later you have l2 vpn across $25,000 of merakis ($48,000 annual license cost)
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Funnily enough Meraki would be one of the examples of a box that is awful at this task, their DNS capabilities are more or less non-existent.
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Thanks Ants posted:Funnily enough Meraki would be one of the examples of a box that is awful at this task, their DNS capabilities are more or less non-existent. yeah i'm talking more "dns server running at one site and everything else depends on it. what do you mean what if the vpn goes down"
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Dick Trauma posted:I had an I.T. job around 2000 where the server room was so piled over with crap that I didn't find the DNS server for a few months. I had made my way to a desk in the back of the room, cleared away the detritus and found a Daystar Mac clone running headless. Hooked up a monitor and the screen showed an app called something like Panda DNS. That bash.org quote strikes again!
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hunter2 is the only bash.org reference i can reliably make these days
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A Frosty Witch posted:*Laughs in every conceivable healthcare field* Healthcare, law offices, and for some reason car service shops, will keep fax alive for the next 100 years.
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Entropic posted:Healthcare, law offices, and for some reason car service shops, will keep fax alive for the next 100 years. my car dealership and auto shop clients were still using impact printers when I stopped consulting
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TITTIEKISSER69 posted:That bash.org quote strikes again! I don't know what this means. 
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Dick Trauma posted:I don't know what this means. https://bash-org-archive.com/?5273
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Ha! Now that I've read it I'm sure I've seen it a few times over the years.
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Dick Trauma posted:Ha! Now that I've read it I'm sure I've seen it a few times over the years. Just had that situation this weekend. I swapped gear out at a location and the desktop support team was looking for a machine. They saw it online, but couldn't find it in the building.
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The Fool posted:my car dealership and auto shop clients were still using impact printers when I stopped consulting Everywhere I see fax used it's either literally computer->efax service->efax service->computer or even dumber computer->printer->paper->send fax->receive fax->paper->scanner->computer and the only reason fax is still involved is because lazy assholes can't be bothered to learn a different process even if it's easier and better. They've been sending faxes since 1987 and they're not going to change unless forced, and since this group often includes the owners that forcing will only ever come from regulators. I wish for every fax machine on the planet to catch fire simultaneously.
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just need another carrington event
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We have to have a fax so the CEO can communicate with his doctors.
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wolrah posted:At least unlike fax there's a good reason to still use impact printers. Carbon copy forms are still useful and lazy-rear end banners are fun. And in environments that are filthy you'll never get a laser or inkjet printer to work for more than a week. You need tractor feed and something smacking ink against the page.
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CitizenKain posted:Just had that situation this weekend. I swapped gear out at a location and the desktop support team was looking for a machine. They saw it online, but couldn't find it in the building.
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wolrah posted:At least unlike fax there's a good reason to still use impact printers. Carbon copy forms are still useful and lazy-rear end banners are fun. the legitimate reason is that the signal to noise ratio on fax is five hundred billion times higher, because it costs actual time and money to fax-spam, whereas 99.99% of email is phishing and nothing is ever reliable. if you tried to email prescriptions to a pharmacy 9/10 would go in spam and 9/10 pharmacists would never, ever learn to check the spam folder.
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The Fool posted:my car dealership and auto shop clients were still using impact printers when I stopped consulting I recently saw a car dealership printing out some sort of report on literal reams of continuous-feed dot matrix printer paper, like there was a box at least a foot high of paper at the bottom.
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Most dealerships still run ERA for their customer and inventory databases and that program only ran on actual terminals until the mid 2000s and some dealerships I've seen still use the old dumb terminals. Mine didn't get rid of the last one until 2013. The program hasn't changed a single line of code since 1987 and can be tricked into printing to a PDF and then to a modern printer but my last experience was they only natively supported line/impact printers still. The program also only prints to DRMed printers that you lease from ReyRey for wild amounts of money. This may have changed in the last decade but I sincerely doubt it for a majority of dealerships.
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