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SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Thanks Ants posted:

office.com is now m365.cloud.microsoft, rolls right off the tongue

Which is still positively mundane compared to the new power platform endpoint, powerplatformusercontent.com .

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Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




Thanks Ants posted:

office.com is now m365.cloud.microsoft, rolls right off the tongue

Well yeah, how else would you expect to access the Microsoft 365 Copilot app?

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


I probably shouldn't be surprised by anything now but abandoning "Office" as a brand and instead deciding M365 is the way to go is the most Microsoft-brained thing ever

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



Have Microsoft issued any "Return to Office" mandates? Because that would be funny.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Thanks Ants posted:

I probably shouldn't be surprised by anything now but abandoning "Office" as a brand and instead deciding M365 is the way to go is the most Microsoft-brained thing ever

Good news: no one calls it that but Microsoft themselves. It's still "Office", and office.com still works (as a redirect.) I don't think they're going to win this battle. They'll have to keep saying "MS365", but we can just keep calling it Office and watch them get red with rage.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



It's like Twitter in that way.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

nielsm posted:

It's like Twitter in that way.

X, formerly known as Twitter, is like "the artist formerly known as prince". X isn't a name. It's a letter. It's only meaningful if you can provide context to what it used to be.

Though there is a degree of former brand recognition that was murdered in the process.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


When Rakuten bought buy.com it was like that.

Why marketing departments fail at such easy poo poo constantly never ceases to amaze me.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


BT (British Telecom) started rebranding all their consumer facing products to EE before realising that the only people with any strong positive feelings towards the company were largely older people who had no idea what EE was.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
Wait, EE as in English Electric?

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


EE as in what was previously called "Everything Everywhere" which was the result of France Telecom and Deutsche Telekom's UK operations (Orange and T-Mobile) merging in 2010 when the 4G licensing was being sorted out, which then got bought by BT for £12bn.

For some reason Kevin Bacon does all their TV adverts

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Thanks Ants posted:

EE as in what was previously called "Everything Everywhere" which was the result of France Telecom and Deutsche Telekom's UK operations (Orange and T-Mobile) merging in 2010 when the 4G licensing was being sorted out, which then got bought by BT for £12bn.

For some reason Kevin Bacon does all their TV adverts

Kevin Bacon has been doing ads over here for a while now because he invested his money with Bernie Madoff.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
I could swear that I saw a BT installation here in Los Angeles years ago but I don't recall them ever breaking into the U.S. market.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Dick Trauma posted:

I could swear that I saw a BT installation here in Los Angeles years ago but I don't recall them ever breaking into the U.S. market.

BT has B2B services across the world, they provide data and voice service for multinationals firms.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

*PEEP*

AlexDeGruven posted:

When Rakuten bought buy.com it was like that.

Why marketing departments fail at such easy poo poo constantly never ceases to amaze me.

Rakuten is such a lovely company and Mikitani believes he is the incarnation of Warren Buffett, Jeff Bezos, and Henry Ford. He has an entire layer of upper management huffing his farts and maintaining his cult.

Their attitude to branding when I was (contracted to, thankfully not actually employed) there was a very persuasive sense of "that Malkovich? Malkovich. Malkovich! scene is an ideal image of how our brand must be used". Absolutely tanked the established brands they bought in favour of slapping their stupid wordmark in their places.

ponzicar
Mar 17, 2008

Darchangel posted:

Good news: no one calls it that but Microsoft themselves. It's still "Office", and office.com still works (as a redirect.) I don't think they're going to win this battle. They'll have to keep saying "MS365", but we can just keep calling it Office and watch them get red with rage.

I wonder if there is one specific executive at Microsoft who's a dumbfuck nepo baby who thinks they're a naming genius, or if the culture of their entire marketing department is broken. They had two entirely separate products they decided should both be named Skype. Nobody knows what the different generations of Xboxes are called. Their cloud based active directory changes its identity like it's hiding from the FBI.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Terminal Services -> Remote Desktop Protocol -> Remote Desktop Connection, and some more I probably forgot.

Sibling of TB
Aug 3, 2007
Was trying to find the full list of Google wallet names and former products for comedy reasons but i can't find it and the Wikipedia links are labyrinthian.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


quote:

This article is about the mobile app introduced in 2022. For the discontinued service of the same name, see Google Wallet (2011–2018).
"Google Pay (2018–2022)" redirects here. For the 2020 app, see Google Pay (mobile app).

And lmao

Weedle
May 31, 2006

this house is full of madness



Thanks Ants posted:

office.com is now m365.cloud.microsoft, rolls right off the tongue

portal.office.com stays winning

Entropist
Dec 1, 2007
I'm very stupid.
The field of marketing is our social security for people who have no talents or skills in life (along with HR). We can't have them live on the streets because they are kids of rich parents, so they study marketing and companies pay them a ton to do some dumb stuff.

Many of our graduates go into marketing, so I know how it works.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋

ponzicar posted:

I wonder if there is one specific executive at Microsoft who's a dumbfuck nepo baby who thinks they're a naming genius, or if the culture of their entire marketing department is broken. They had two entirely separate products they decided should both be named Skype. Nobody knows what the different generations of Xboxes are called. Their cloud based active directory changes its identity like it's hiding from the FBI.

Something has to explain how no naming/versioning scheme for Windows has survived more than two consecutive releases.

It’s astonished me for decades how insane their naming is

I get that it’s harder than everything except cache invalidation but geez louise

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



Data Graham posted:

Something has to explain how no naming/versioning scheme for Windows has survived more than two consecutive releases.

It’s astonished me for decades how insane their naming is

I get that it’s harder than everything except cache invalidation but geez louise

Windows 1.0
Windows 2.0
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.10
Windows 3.11

Windows NT 3.10
Windows NT 3.50
Windows NT 3.51
Windows NT 4.0

They knew how to name versions back in the day.

And they've at least been keeping up with the year-numbered releases for Windows Server, although I don't see why they had to make it 2008R2 and 2012R2, and not just 2010 and 2014.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Data Graham posted:

Something has to explain how no naming/versioning scheme for Windows has survived more than two consecutive releases.

It’s astonished me for decades how insane their naming is

I get that it’s harder than everything except cache invalidation but geez louise
It's not been that bad, and the lack of Windows 9 is actually due to lovely non-MS devs writing stuff that checks if the OS is "Windows 9*" in old compatibility checks for 95 and 98 systems.

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!


Arquinsiel posted:

It's not been that bad, and the lack of Windows 9 is actually due to lovely non-MS devs writing stuff that checks if the OS is "Windows 9*" in old compatibility checks for 95 and 98 systems.

I had never realized that but L M F A O now

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Data Graham posted:

Something has to explain how no naming/versioning scheme for Windows has survived more than two consecutive releases.

It’s astonished me for decades how insane their naming is

I get that it’s harder than everything except cache invalidation but geez louise

New executives in charge rename stuff as an easy way to show that they're "making their mark".

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

*PEEP*

mllaneza posted:

New executives in charge rename stuff as an easy way to show that they're "making their mark".

And at a lower level, project leads with no worthwhile contribution to make spend all their time moving UI elements from one side to the other or hiding them behind new menu layouts.

Why yes I am loving salty about the Azure portal not working the same way from one day to another, funny you should ask.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


Weatherman posted:

Why yes I am loving salty about the Azure portal not working the same way from one day to another, funny you should ask.

I’ve found that the azure portal always works the same way for me. Badly.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Oh jeez, that's embarrassing.

Well the important thing is I was right about Star Trek.

Darchangel posted:

Good news: no one calls it that but Microsoft themselves. It's still "Office", and office.com still works (as a redirect.) I don't think they're going to win this battle. They'll have to keep saying "MS365", but we can just keep calling it Office and watch them get red with rage.
Thankfully 'm365.cloud.microsoft.com' also seems to redirect there, because it's going to take decades, if ever, for users to understand that websites don't have to end in one of the 4 classic TLDs.

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug

nielsm posted:

Windows 1.0
Windows 2.0
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.10
Windows 3.11

Windows NT 3.10
Windows NT 3.50
Windows NT 3.51
Windows NT 4.0

They knew how to name versions back in the day.


This is Windows for Workgroups erasure.

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



evobatman posted:

This is Windows for Workgroups erasure.

Windows for Workgroups is more like Windows 3.10 Professional and Windows 3.11 Professional. Same product line, different edition.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

nielsm posted:

Windows for Workgroups is more like Windows 3.10 Professional and Windows 3.11 Professional. Same product line, different edition.
AFAIK that's a good analogy for WfW 3.1, which basically took Windows 3.1 and added network client and server applications plus Hearts for some reason. Kind of a "business plus pack"

WfW 3.11 despite its minor version change was arguably more of a "Windows 3.2" or even 3.5 because it included not just software but significant system-level updates like a backport of Windows 95's 32 bit disk drivers and a native TCP/IP stack. For whatever reason though Microsoft instead at almost the same time as WfW 3.11 launched a Chinese-native version of Windows 3.1 under the name Windows 3.2.

NT 3.5 wasn't a thing yet for almost another year so I'm not sure why they couldn't have called it 3.5 even with 3.2 for China.

wolrah fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Apr 1, 2025

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



Hearts because it's a network game!!! Yes sure you can play against the computer, but what if you could play against your coworkers instead? I think they removed the network play in later versions.

There is also a Windows not-for-workgroups 3.11, but I actually don't know if it has all the 32 bit disk access stuff from WfW 3.11.

Aunt Beth
Feb 23, 2006

Baby, you're ready!
Grimey Drawer

wolrah posted:

For whatever reason though Microsoft instead at almost the same time as WfW 3.11 launched a Chinese-native version of Windows 3.1 under the name Windows 3.2.
Isn’t 4 unlucky in China? Maybe 3+1=4 and they thought the vibes might be off so they went with 3.2

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

Aunt Beth posted:

Isn’t 4 unlucky in China? Maybe 3+1=4 and they thought the vibes might be off so they went with 3.2

13 / 31 are auspicious in Chinese numerology iirc

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

nielsm posted:

Windows 1.0
Windows 2.0
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.10
Windows 3.11

Windows NT 3.10
Windows NT 3.50
Windows NT 3.51
Windows NT 4.0

They knew how to name versions back in the day.

And they've at least been keeping up with the year-numbered releases for Windows Server, although I don't see why they had to make it 2008R2 and 2012R2, and not just 2010 and 2014.

I was convinced that Microsoft was going to do with Windows 10 what Apple did with OSX and just keep doing “updates” to it forever, and probably rebrand it as just “Windows” or something, but then they went and released 11 so who knows. I bet the next one won’t be 12 though, it’s gonna be like Windows 365 Series X or something

e:

Entropic fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Apr 2, 2025

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Entropic posted:

I was convinced that Microsoft was going to do with Windows 10 what Apple did with OSX and just keep doing “updates” to it forever, and probably rebrand it as just “Windows” or something, but then they went and released 11 so who knows. I bet the next one won’t be 12 though, it’s gonna be like Windows 365 Series X or something

Windows Co-Pilot

book it

johnny park
Sep 15, 2009

Come on. It'll be Microsoft Copilot Desktop

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




johnny park posted:

Come on. It'll be Microsoft Copilot Desktop

Different SKUs for Basic, Standard, Home, Pro, Small Business, Business, Enterprise, Ultimate, E3, F1, G6, 365, Work or school, Media, Datacenter, Server 20XX, and whatever they're calling their long term support version these days.

The feature you want is not supporter by Windows Copilot Desktop Service Pack 1. You need Windows Copilot Desktop Enterprise for Laptops.

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Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


As you go up the SKU pricing though it's possible to lose features from lower down ones, there is no Microsoft-maintained document describing these differences

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