New around here? Register your SA Forums Account here!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $10! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills alone, and since we don't believe in shady internet advertising, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
johnny park
Sep 15, 2009

You'll also be able to purchase a license for something just called "Microsoft Copilot Desktop", but that'll actually just be what they've renamed Intune Plan 1

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017


The top end SKU will be Microsoft Copilot Desktop Ultimate, which is in fact just a subscription service to a cloud-hosted VM.

johnny park
Sep 15, 2009

User reports that they are not receiving new emails, including a test email they sent themselves. The user also attaches a screenshot of their OWA inbox:



:cripes:

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



They accidentally hit the button to sort by oldest first didn't they.

johnny park
Sep 15, 2009

They didn't even scroll down!!!!!

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017
Today will be remembered as a sad day, a lowest point for our civilization.
I had to rewire some devices in my office, but I couldn’t do it without unplugging the router. Hetrix uptime metric is no longer 100%. :negative:

Personal Lucubrant
Oct 18, 2016

Just thinking about what to do with all the money I don't have.

johnny park posted:

User reports that they are not receiving new emails, including a test email they sent themselves. The user also attaches a screenshot of their OWA inbox:



:cripes:

https://devrant.com/rants/680160/i-am-so-sick-and-tired-of-hearing-im-not-good-with-computers-from-these-god-drat

First of May
May 1, 2017
🎵 Bring your favorite lady, or at least your favorite lay! 🎵


Email from senior account manager: shopper being charged shipping when using reseller affiliate link

Answer: for free shipping and to generate affiliate credit, shopper must register an account or log-in to existing account after following link

Reply: I don't understand (attachment: phone photo of presumably the shopper's cart showing full price shipping)

Me: ::mashes archive button::

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

A user was angry that they missed the class they were instructing because they couldnt log into their computer. I tested the credentials, worked fine. Was in text convo with the user, so had timestamps and confirmed that I had informed them of the problem with implication thus that it was on her end before her class was scheduled to begin.

Ofc it was, as the user had entered the wrong login name. Director flipped out about it for some reason, loving prick.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

nielsm posted:

Hearts because it's a network game!!! Yes sure you can play against the computer, but what if you could play against your coworkers instead? I think they removed the network play in later versions.
I completely forgot about the network play, I recall seeing that feature in the Windows 95 version but never actually had a chance to use it.

quote:

There is also a Windows not-for-workgroups 3.11, but I actually don't know if it has all the 32 bit disk access stuff from WfW 3.11.
It does not. It adds a few video and printer drivers and a couple of bugfixes.

bitterandtwisted
Sep 4, 2006




I'm doing a divestment where the subsidiary that was sold is taking most of our server infrastructure with them including the on-prem domain, but is getting a new 365 tenant. This has the side effect that on-prem joined workstations need little more than a new outlook profile, but entra-joined ones are such a ball-ache, we're just completely flattening them.

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob
So this is a super dumb question, but I do not normally have to deal in-depth with DNS, a thing that, for me, normally just works, unless it doesn't, at which point someone who isn't me fixes it.

The immediate problem I'm trying to solve is that dynamic DNS entries created by DHCP at lease time are... not being created. They used to be created! But that stopped working recently, except sometimes eventually they do get made. A static A record does fix the problem, but that's a level of manual intervention that I don't want to add, and again, this used to work. This is an AD environment on not-EOL Windows Server.

Some thoughts on this:

  • The DHCP and DNS servers are the same machines (VMs).

  • Everything is, I think, configured correctly to cause the DHCP service to create these DNS entries, and in any case, as far as I can see, nothing has changed.

  • The DHCP leases on the DHCP server show the little "pen" icon that shows that DNS registration is still pending. This is apparently possibly the result of lack of reverse lookup zones, which many of these networks lack. (I did not set them up.) There's a lot about reverse lookup zones that I don't understand. For example: 1. Does 0.z.y.x only cover x.y.z.0/24? because I don't see a way to make it bigger (or smaller) than that, and my subnets are usually bigger. 2. What reverse lookup zone(s) do I actually need to make this thing not squawk? Do I need one that covers the specific /24 worth of space where the device in question lives? Do I need one that covers where the DHCP/DNS server lives? I have no idea what best practice is on this, this is not my area.

  • The lack of reverse lookup zones can apparently be a problem because it clogs up the DNS update queue, and because there are things ahead of whatever update request I just made, my update gets held up. I am having a lot of trouble figuring out of this is the problem. Google suggests DnsCmd, although their trash AI also wants me to type parameters that don't exist. I reasoned that there is almost certainly a way to get this information via PowerShell, and I found the Get-DnsServerStatistics cmdlet, but it spits out 1. an enormous amount of data, 2. entirely different datasets depending on whether you specify the zone or not, and I don't know which dataset I need, 3. multiple properties with very similar names, any or none of which could be what I'm looking for.

I've tinkered a little bit, but I could really use some guidance on this. It could be totally unrelated to this. I've also heard that recent Windows Server updates covered this exact little subsystem, so I could just be getting screwed by a buggy update.

Wizard of the Deep
Sep 25, 2005

Another productive workday
What changed recently?

Are there any interesting entries in the event logs? Remember, some programs/components have their own individual sections under the "Applications and Services Logs" section.

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob
Yeah, I can't find anything that's changed other than Windows updates. Could there be something? Sure, but everyone denies making changes. I've already been through the DHCP and DNS logs in Event Viewer (server mostly, but I've looked at client logs too) and can't find any evidence.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


DHCP updating DNS afaik needs credentials for an account that can do that, has someone disabled an account lately?

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Thanks Ants posted:

DHCP updating DNS afaik needs credentials for an account that can do that, has someone disabled an account lately?

This has happened to us...

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


guppy posted:

Yeah, I can't find anything that's changed other than Windows updates. Could there be something? Sure, but everyone denies making changes. I've already been through the DHCP and DNS logs in Event Viewer (server mostly, but I've looked at client logs too) and can't find any evidence.

Rebooting exposes a lot of settings that were not written to config. First guess is either firewall or the registration account perms. More likely the FW config that ends up being ephemeral without doing something to save it.

Personal Lucubrant
Oct 18, 2016

Just thinking about what to do with all the money I don't have.
Scientific study confirming what most IT professionals have known for decades.

https://scitechdaily.com/new-study-a-lack-of-intelligence-not-training-may-be-why-people-struggle-with-computers/

quote:

“It is clear that differences between individuals cannot be eliminated simply by means of training; in the future, user interfaces need to be streamlined for simpler use. This age-old goal has been forgotten at some point, and awkwardly designed interfaces have become a driver for the digital divide. We cannot promote a deeper and more equal use of computers in society unless we solve this basic problem,” Oulasvirta says.

Probably outing myself as an idiot for disagreeing with someone who is likely much smarter than me, but I think even the most intuitive and "best" UI wouldn't help much in the long run. I think of Murphy's law and stuff like, "If you make something idiot-proof, someone will just make a better idiot."

quote:

“The study revealed that, in particular, working memory, attention, and executive functions stand out as the key abilities. When using a computer, you must determine the order in which things are done and keep in mind what has already been done. A purely mathematical or logical ability does not help in the same way,” says Salmela.

“However, the research findings also show that age remains the most important factor in how well an individual can use applications. Older people clearly took more time to complete their tasks, and they also felt that the assignments were more burdensome,” says Salmela.

This sounds more agreeable. Age-related cognitive decline aside, this basically seems to say that critical thinking skills are important for successfully using computers. Which kind of seems obvious, but that's not the point of doing science.

It's too bad that critical thinking is "woke" now. I'm sure putting more bibles in schools will help.

ihafarm
Aug 12, 2004

guppy posted:

Yeah, I can't find anything that's changed other than Windows updates. Could there be something? Sure, but everyone denies making changes. I've already been through the DHCP and DNS logs in Event Viewer (server mostly, but I've looked at client logs too) and can't find any evidence.

From a domain joined client run ipconfig /registerdns and monitor the local event log, I think it’s System, but could be mis-remembering. Correlate with the server logs. Use wireshark to capture same if logs aren’t useful. Is time in sync?

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

The research is fine but big wtf at the implication that all differences between individuals need to be eliminated. bit of a red flag there buddy.

Not everyone is equally intelligent. That’s life. People who are less intelligent will struggle more with complexity. That doesn’t mean we should abolish all complexity, though it does mean we need to be mindful of how we might be limiting our user base by adding complexity to software we create.

See also https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/

Personal Lucubrant
Oct 18, 2016

Just thinking about what to do with all the money I don't have.

The Iron Rose posted:

The research is fine but big wtf at the implication that all differences between individuals need to be eliminated. bit of a red flag there buddy.

Not everyone is equally intelligent. That’s life. People who are less intelligent will struggle more with complexity. That doesn’t mean we should abolish all complexity, though it does mean we need to be mindful of how we might be limiting our user base by adding complexity to software we create.

See also https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/

quote:

Summary: Across 33 rich countries, only 5% of the population has high computer-related abilities, and only a third of people can complete medium-complexity tasks.

Wow. This is honestly worse than I thought.

I'm just a helpdesk computer janitor and I've pretty much pigeon-holed myself into this role indefinitely. I don't even have an admin account at this place because it's just application support for one specific web app.

I'm not a developer, server admin, database admin, network technician, etc. I've just become really good at what is basically an entry-level role, even if it's "tier 2" or whatever. I'd never consider myself to be in the top 5-8% in overall computer proficiency. I'd have guessed more like top 25%. There are so many specialties and different facets of computing that I am mostly completely clueless about, and yet according to that article...geez.

Dunning-Kreuger phenomenon I guess. What a perspective.

Rawrbomb
Mar 11, 2011

rawrrrrr

Personal Lucubrant posted:

Wow. This is honestly worse than I thought.

I'm just a helpdesk computer janitor and I've pretty much pigeon-holed myself into this role indefinitely. I don't even have an admin account at this place because it's just application support for one specific web app.

I'm not a developer, server admin, database admin, network technician, etc. I've just become really good at what is basically an entry-level role, even if it's "tier 2" or whatever. I'd never consider myself to be in the top 5-8% in overall computer proficiency. I'd have guessed more like top 25%. There are so many specialties and different facets of computing that I am mostly completely clueless about, and yet according to that article...geez.

Dunning-Kreuger phenomenon I guess. What a perspective.

If you can read a checklist
Follow each step
Understand where something went wrong
Deliver this information to someone else

You are so far ahead of the curve its just silly, from a helpdesk / customer support pov.

Che Delilas
Nov 23, 2009
FREE TIBET WEED

Rawrbomb posted:

If you can read a checklist
Follow each step
Understand where something went wrong
Deliver this information to someone else

You are so far ahead of the curve its just silly, from a helpdesk / customer support pov.

So many people only do step 1 and 2 for any given task, in other words they learn their jobs by rote. If anything differs from the One True Way, including an unexpected pop-up that tells them exactly what to do to get back on course, they go into complete vapor lock.

Zorak of Michigan
Jun 10, 2006


Che Delilas posted:

So many people only do step 1 and 2 for any given task, in other words they learn their jobs by rote. If anything differs from the One True Way, including an unexpected pop-up that tells them exactly what to do to get back on course, they go into complete vapor lock.

This is my dad. He buys and sells stuff on eBay using checklists he wrote out when he first joined the site. Every time anything in the process has changed, he's had to annotate his checklist. It is jibberish now but somehow it makes "sense" to him, and is the only way he do business.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
The eternal struggle in my job is trying to document things so that someone who's never worked with a client can be forewarned about their idiosyncracies.

Got tagged in to a ticket where the new guy was having trouble getting a VOIP phone to register and had to tell him, oh yeah, this is the customer where for "security reasons" their IT people don't use DHCP and you have to ask them for a static IP if you want to add a new device.

Diqnol
May 9, 2010

Che Delilas posted:

So many people only do step 1 and 2 for any given task, in other words they learn their jobs by rote. If anything differs from the One True Way, including an unexpected pop-up that tells them exactly what to do to get back on course, they go into complete vapor lock.

it drives me crazy trying to get people to think about problems. The worst part is like a fully HALF of the time someone comes to me with a loving "blocker", I google for 5 minutes and find the cause if I don't already know it. I have to kidproof documentation and manuals for techs, so for users it's a ridiculous ask.

I am currently the tier 3 for a pod of 7 people. I have implemented policies like "google first" and "let me show you how to resolve this" followed up with "ok now you show me" the next time it comes up and it's been helping people. I am thoroughly, utterly convinced that the majority of this problem is sourced in people being lazy. Sometimes it's an I don't get paid enough to think kind of Lazy, sometimes it's a conditioned lazy. I am trying to glass half full though and assume they just haven't developed the skill of...loving looking yourself and changing search terms in google which I try to remind myself is something that not everyone knows how to do?

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Entropic posted:

this is the customer where for "security reasons" their IT people don't use DHCP and you have to ask them for a static IP if you want to add a new device.

:psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy

Entropic posted:

The eternal struggle in my job is trying to document things so that someone who's never worked with a client can be forewarned about their idiosyncracies.

Got tagged in to a ticket where the new guy was having trouble getting a VOIP phone to register and had to tell him, oh yeah, this is the customer where for "security reasons" their IT people don't use DHCP and you have to ask them for a static IP if you want to add a new device.

I have it on good authority that the entire network for the universal theme parks is configured statically. Not a single routing protocol in the entire place.

They claimed it was for security reasons but I'm pretty sure the only security in mind during the design phase was job security.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

That is basically what the new guy said when I relayed this information to him.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Diqnol posted:

it drives me crazy trying to get people to think about problems. The worst part is like a fully HALF of the time someone comes to me with a loving "blocker", I google for 5 minutes and find the cause if I don't already know it. I have to kidproof documentation and manuals for techs, so for users it's a ridiculous ask.
In my first week at my current place I had to suggest my boss (amongst others) try login to a client website in a private browser window so our corporate session wasn't getting in the way of the client provisioned account. That doesn't make sense? Just try it. Surprising everyone, it worked. But he was logging in with Chrome, why would it? Well because Windows 11, Azure AD roaming profiles, and Edge also being Chrome while pulling your AD creds via SSO.

My boss is a penetration tester with 15 years of experience. I feel like a god-damned wizard most days.

It's a very particular threat model that I understand, but which can be handled much less stupidly. Also this doesn't even fully address it.

cathoderaydude
Nov 23, 2024

bandwidth on demand

Entropic posted:

The eternal struggle in my job is trying to document things so that someone who's never worked with a client can be forewarned about their idiosyncracies.

Got tagged in to a ticket where the new guy was having trouble getting a VOIP phone to register and had to tell him, oh yeah, this is the customer where for "security reasons" their IT people don't use DHCP and you have to ask them for a static IP if you want to add a new device.

at phone job, i spent the entire time - ten years - telling people "the phone won't come up because the customer has VLANs." all you have to do is look at one other phone on the account. they RMAed brand new phones over this at least once a week. ten years

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010


It's 2025 and people are still afraid of DHCP (reservations)

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Wait until they have to get their heads around SLAAC (they will never do this)

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

Entropic posted:

The eternal struggle in my job is trying to document things so that someone who's never worked with a client can be forewarned about their idiosyncracies.

Got tagged in to a ticket where the new guy was having trouble getting a VOIP phone to register and had to tell him, oh yeah, this is the customer where for "security reasons" their IT people don't use DHCP and you have to ask them for a static IP if you want to add a new device.

Jesus.

I mandate DHCP, DNS (with PTR, no half-assing it with just forward records), 802.1x (with certificates if possible) on all new subnets we deploy.

And I work with Operational Technology :eng101:

The (industrial) automation engineers are not too impressed, but they can loving deal with it.

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




Serperoth posted:

A follow-up to a ticket came in late last week.

Background: One of our clients has an online shop, their CMS is supposed to email customers when they order. The email was on gmail, and they needed to change it to Exchange. We go back and forth on some things with their CMS people, last actions in February was setting up an app in Entra and letting her rip. No update from either side on the matter, so everyone assumed it work. Our primary contact has been the new guy they hired to be in charge of their online stuff.

Client: "Email still isn't working! Can the two of you figure it out?"
CMS: "You haven't authenticated"
Client, on the phone to us (~half an hour before closing yesterday): "They say we haven't authenticated and it's been a month"
I: "They included a screenshot, you need to log in with the right account, the ones we have permissions to."

Filling in for a colleague today so tickets were on read-only.
Client: "This problem has been going on for a month, email is the sole responsibility of [our company]. @ClientBoss (who's been in CC for all of this) we need to speak to their CEO about this!"

ClientBoss, at around 16:45: "Our colleague OnlineGuy has left the company. Please [offboarding procedure, shared mailbox etc]"

I still regret not being in the office when the email came through, I'm pretty sure they would've heard my laughter on the next floor.

A further update to this:

The CMS people tell us their thing works with security defaults. We ask them to do the same implementation for our mutual customer. "After discussing with our management, we will not do that". Both we and the customer told them to contact either us or the customer.

We hadn't heard from the CMS people since end of March, so we shoot an email today, "Hey do you need us to do anything?"

After some back and forth which I'm not sure they understood, they proposed us giving them the admin credentials to the tenant. For security, we should send the password to the guy's personal phone.

:psyduck:

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Yeah that's a thing that used to work great before everyone's phones also got email. Still happens a lot though.

Sushi The Kid
Sep 10, 2005
<img src="https://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/newbie.gif" border=0>


Our 3 400KWh generators last week decided that they didn't want to stay in auto mode and just run all willy nilly. I found the ATS controller must be screwed cause the display is garbled. One good solid punch cleared it all up. The generators went back to auto mode and finally shut down. Waiting for parts now.

Personal Lucubrant
Oct 18, 2016

Just thinking about what to do with all the money I don't have.

Sushi The Kid posted:

Our 3 400KWh generators last week decided that they didn't want to stay in auto mode and just run all willy nilly. I found the ATS controller must be screwed cause the display is garbled. One good solid punch cleared it all up. The generators went back to auto mode and finally shut down. Waiting for parts now.

Always satisfying when percussive maintenance is successful.

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

Sometimes, violence is the answer.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Sushi The Kid posted:

Our 3 400KWh generators last week decided that they didn't want to stay in auto mode and just run all willy nilly. I found the ATS controller must be screwed cause the display is garbled. One good solid punch cleared it all up. The generators went back to auto mode and finally shut down. Waiting for parts now.

Only trust your fists, vendor will never help you.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply