Johnny Keats posted:Would you vote Green Wing? Null read, so yeah, but not preferentially more than anybody else who isn't me to avoid not eliminating. I think toal for instance should know better than to take this at face value.
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Apr 18, 2023 04:38
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But Green Wing is also scummy if Meen flips scum. So I'm willing to skip there. That's all I'm saying.
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Apr 18, 2023 04:38
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I'm just exasperated, I feel like I've tried to consider your claim and results logically and make sure we aren't making a mistake and for my troubles I'm getting a lot of sneering.
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Apr 18, 2023 04:39
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I am starting to entertain the possibility that my assumptions were off, but that only leads me to my 2ndary suspicions on you, Green Wing. Which are only tenuously connected to Meen's alignment and don't rely on it being scum at all.
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Apr 18, 2023 04:40
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For the record, (and I apologize for being so scattered today) I called your earlier post a "scum post" because I found it suspiciously short of a time for you to have already come to any conclusions based on Binus flipping scum.
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Apr 18, 2023 04:42
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I'm stepping away for a spell, I feel like whatever I do at the moment I get accused of being self-evidently scummy and I have no idea how to defend myself from that kind of thing.
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Apr 18, 2023 04:43
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Johnny Keats posted:For the record, (and I apologize for being so scattered today) I called your earlier post a "scum post" because I found it suspiciously short of a time for you to have already come to any conclusions based on Binus flipping scum. The VERY FIRST THING I did on seeing the flip was to look at binus's iso, ffs! This us basic stuff!
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Apr 18, 2023 04:44
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Also literally an hour after the flip was posted, in what world us that suspiciously fast
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Apr 18, 2023 04:45
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Hey, no hard feelings. I never want to upset anyone in real life
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Apr 18, 2023 04:46
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Johnny Keats posted:Hey, no hard feelings. I never want to upset anyone in real life Sorry you're right, I apologise for getting heated, I'm currently laud up quite ill and it's affecting how I'm approaching the game. It's all good, I am actually going to step away from a few hours now to chill a bi
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Apr 18, 2023 04:47
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I have something that I needed to get finished myself before Keats came in with his night bingo. If nobody claims redirecting Keats I'm gonna assume that was scum until it's proven otherwise.
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Apr 18, 2023 04:59
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:I have something that I needed to get finished myself before Keats came in with his night bingo. If nobody claims redirecting Keats I'm gonna assume that was scum until it's proven otherwise. What was your action
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Apr 18, 2023 05:03
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t a s t e posted:What was your action quote="Ignatius M. Meen" post="531257785"] I targeted myself last night and I am the Out Lane Guard. Originally I was limited to protecting only another player and not twice in a row but that restriction was removed. If you did not get that information your rolecop did not land on me. I do not have two targets. [/quote] That was his claim right?
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Apr 18, 2023 05:06
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Yeah I just skipped ahead. Why doc yourself here? No town reads?
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Apr 18, 2023 05:10
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t a s t e posted:Yeah I just skipped ahead. I figured it was me or Keats who would be targeted for a kill after everything that happened last night. Flipped some pennies courtesy of random.org and chose myself.
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Apr 18, 2023 05:41
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:I figured it was me or Keats who would be targeted for a kill after everything that happened last night. Flipped some pennies courtesy of random.org and chose myself. By this I mean of course D1, brain needs to not keep getting distracted.
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Apr 18, 2023 05:46
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:I figured it was me or Keats who would be targeted for a kill after everything that happened last night. Flipped some pennies courtesy of random.org and chose myself. Why did you think Keats would be targeted after a day where a push off of him ended up with a dead town player
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Apr 18, 2023 05:58
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Good morning fellow pinball parts! That looks like an acceptable night result, although opop’s role looks like it was kinda useful if he decided to play along with town. I definitely got redirected last night. And I believe Keats did misunderstand his role PM and could easily have gotten redirected too, which to me means Keats and Iggy aren’t necessarily XOR scum.
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Apr 18, 2023 06:08
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Toalpaz posted:did you know scum are more likely to drop their case and pursue more convenient cases than town are? Also Toalpaz Toalpaz posted:I agree ##vote green wings Toalpaz posted:##unvote Toalpaz posted:##vote johnny Keats Toalpaz posted:…I also unvote, wouldn't want any undue pressure near deadline during d 1. The stakes are at their highest here. Toalpaz posted:##vote inf ##vote Toalpaz
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Apr 18, 2023 06:09
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t a s t e posted:Why did you think Keats would be targeted after a day where a push off of him ended up with a dead town player Prevention of a team-up of two self-confirming town, in spite of him looking pretty bad previously. Basically if I'm protecting Keats, and Keats is targeting me, and there's no NK, that's a game state where it's plausible I stopped the NK. No guarantees obviously but it'd have made me feel warm and fuzzy all the same. I wasn't considering that Keats might be mistaken and be prone to redirection at the time. I didn't in the end think that was overwhelmingly more likely than scum just going ahead and trying to kill me directly, thus the pennies.
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Apr 18, 2023 06:13
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Looking at the binus flip I’m speculating that their mason partner will be the top left flipper and also have some kind of redirection power. Since the partner is presumably town I hope they will claim when they check the thread. Could be more than one partner I guess, dunno how big unconfirmed masonries usually are in games this size
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Apr 18, 2023 09:00
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Rhymes With Clue posted:Somebody crashed into me. I don't know who. I'm thinking this could easily have been Opop before he died.
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Apr 18, 2023 09:40
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Idle Amalgam posted:I'm also in an unconfirmed masonry. That's the extent of my claiming. I won't say which beautiful nerd(s) I'm paired/grouped with. Oh right, I was just going over my notes from yesterday and saw this - so I guess IA is binus' partner, duh
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Apr 18, 2023 10:05
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Wow it feels bad posting several times in a row even though I know this is how Mafia is done, but things are just really quiet in the weekday mornings when I have the most time to play! I've been going over Johnny Keats' posts with a fine-toothed comb and I have to say, despite the seemingly scattershot and aggressive style, they are extremely internally consistent, for which reason I'm inclined to believe his roleclaim. I am also, on a re-read, believing that his action does in fact resolve first in the night: quote:I am the "coin slot". Nothing in this description is inconsistent with anything he's said before, as far as I can tell. I guess it's POSSIBLE that a redirect action targeting Keats might be resolved before deciding Keats' target, but that would be counter to the power as described, in my opinion. Therefore ##vote Meen and Toalpaz posted:by the way we are 1000)% killing kea(ts)n if meen flips town. (I also well remember I got a  from binus when I jumped on Meen day 1 - that's right friend, discredit the posts targeting your scum buddy!)
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Apr 18, 2023 10:36
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Not sure if this will help but I got targeted last night, though I'm not told by what, but I had it redirected - maybe what killed b-minus? There are a lot of redirects apparently so it might not have been mine, but I would have been a "safe" kill for scum as a uncontroversial townie (as least before being part of a townie vote kill) - although this assumes scum have a kill ability, which I'm not sure in these games if that's normally too powerful for scum or just how the dice rolls if abilities are randomized between players
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Apr 18, 2023 11:05
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There's nothing to talk about. Vote out meens and green wings and win
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Apr 18, 2023 14:16
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Toalpaz posted:There's nothing to talk about. Vote out meens and green wings and win This is kinda scummy. Where do you think the other kill came from?
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Apr 18, 2023 14:31
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I don't have to think about anything sir, I'm town. The kill is cause scum has 2 kills There is a town vigilantee There is a serial killer Binus's head just did that That doesn't have any bearing on the course of our actions voting here today in this township.
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Apr 18, 2023 14:36
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I was in the unconfirmed masonry with bee and now I've entered another with someone else, but bee tried to push meen for town and put up toal, opop and win as scum. So I'll reread all those players later to see if he was maybe bussing or trying to soft clear meen in my eyes.
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Apr 18, 2023 14:49
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I currently believe Toal is town and being honest in her reads but I still don’t see Green Wing being scum. In fact she’s one of my most confident town reads. 
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Apr 18, 2023 14:55
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Idle Amalgam posted:I was in the unconfirmed masonry with bee and now I've entered another with someone else, but bee tried to push meen for town and put up toal, opop and win as scum. Cool, one scum in each pile I bet ##vote meen
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Apr 18, 2023 15:03
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Idle Amalgam posted:I was in the unconfirmed masonry with bee and now I've entered another with someone else, but bee tried to push meen for town and put up toal, opop and win as scum. Can you tell us anything about your night actions or anything that targeted you? I’m confident you’re town and trying to gather information to figure out what happened with my own action. Same question to Toalpaz actually.
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Apr 18, 2023 15:07
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Maugrim posted:Can you tell us anything about your night actions or anything that targeted you? I’m confident you’re town and trying to gather information to figure out what happened with my own action. I cannot tell you anything dear maugrim
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Apr 18, 2023 15:08
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Maugrim posted:Can you tell us anything about your night actions or anything that targeted you? I’m confident you’re town and trying to gather information to figure out what happened with my own action. Nothing targeted me that I'm aware of, but I attempted to redirect actions targeting green wing to keats assuming that actions might fall on them giving claims or game actions and me having pings on both.
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Apr 18, 2023 15:22
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Fascinating yet annoyingly unhelpful, thanks.
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Apr 18, 2023 15:53
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Johnny Keats posted:This is scum grasping at anything to avoid needing to vote for their buddy. GW tomorrow.  EXTREMELY bad postKeats immediately declaring a turbo on GW simply because she wants to understand Keats' role a little bit more is some insane floundering for a townie to do. This is peak (nervous) scum, baby. Even more interesting: Toalpaz posted:did you know scum are more likely to drop their case and pursue more convenient cases than town are? Did you know: no they aren't. Scum have to be careful and considered to make sure that their arguments and votes align with the consensus so they don't seem suspicious? Keats and Toal extremely scum-leaning. ##Vote Keats
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Apr 18, 2023 16:24
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Logically thinking about it, would it make sense for GW to have done the multi-ball gambit when so few people have posted if she were scum? It would be much easier to sneak into the background like Clue, Wins, etc. Why would someone rugpull D1 if their mission is to remain unknown!! GW isn't scum. Maybe self-aligned, but I don't think GW is masoned to anybody because WHY would they try that?! They wouldn't if they had even a single other person to talk to and gather info from.
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Apr 18, 2023 16:28
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Johnny Keats posted:Would you vote Green Wing? Johnny Keats posted:See, if Meen actually is town, this emotional response from scum makes a lot of sense. The crown jewel of Keats posting is this flourish where suddenly Keats isn't so sure of his (probably fake) role anymore and is immediately trying to condition people against GW when they are the only person in thread actually trying to parse how Keats' ""role"" mechanically works.
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Apr 18, 2023 16:38
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Ladies and gentlemen of the class, I would posit that our only actionable move here is to vote KEATS and NOT Meen. If Keats somehow isn't scum, then we'll have shot ourselves in the foot but will have Meen dead-to-rights. However, we'll also have lost a rolecop that doesn't know how their role even works. We are guaranteed 1 scum kill with this option. Our other option would be to kill Meen based on Keats' faulty understanding of their "role." We have an EXTREMELY UNLIKELY scum flip on Meen. We are guaranteed no scum kill. We retaliate against Keats and vote him. We then have an UNGUARANTEED scum kill, because its possible that Keat's just didn't understand their role well enough.
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Still not thinking Keats is scum, that they just don't have a very slick posting style If GW is scum then it's absolutely hats off to them for taking a lead role in the game early on as scum and pulling it off so well - still an incredibly strong townie read for me Paranoid is starting to make me paranoid ##vote Meen - role overlap seems unlikely (though pinball parts can be paired), not really convincing me another vote right now is better, and it honors the dead's very clear wishes (RIP and sorry, Inf)
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