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Rhymes With Clue posted:As far as night actions go, I wasn't going to do one. My first one got redirected and I thought that was bound to happen again. Pretty sure it would have been wins, lol
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Maugrim posted:Pretty sure it would have been wins, lol Why would you think that? I guess it's possible. But I would still like to know you why think that.
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Apr 20, 2023 08:33
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Rhymes With Clue posted:Why would you think that? Maf edit: Why you think that. Because there seem to be a number of flipper-types who can target two people and force actions.
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Apr 20, 2023 08:36
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Probably not going back to my Toalpaz vote today because Maugrin's voting there and I'm getting scum vibes from Maugrim right now.
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Apr 20, 2023 08:41
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##vote Sandwolf
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Apr 20, 2023 08:43
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Fair - I’ll explain my logic when I get back from the school run. I have a whole spreadsheet!
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But the reason for making the drive-by post I did is because Stalinator and wins’ abilities both work in exactly the way you describe, while other redirectors/redirector pairs that we know of work in slightly different ways - for example, IA and binus’ redirects target a person and redirect actions performed ON them to a new person they specify. I’m comfortable positing that whoever did that to you was either Stalinator or wins. I think wins is the more likely of the two because he, a scum, would have known you were not scum (why I’m convinced you’re not scum is a whole other story) and therefore… wait, poo poo, that logic doesn’t work because there’s a night vig/serial killer out there isn’t there? There’s no way he’d risk targeting himself. Duh. I’ve changed my mind, I think Stalinator was the one who did that and he was hoping to get the night killer to target his masonry buddy who I’m guessing he was pretty convinced was scum. Either that was a drat good guess on his part or the night killer just happened to target wins or get bounced onto wins too. And since wins knew Stalinator was onto him he’d have likewise targeted him for the kill to shut him up.
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Apr 20, 2023 09:54
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I've just noticed something. Night 1, it's been claimed that RWC targeted Green Wing and their action bounced to Idle Amalgam. We now know RWC's targeted power is to add people to a masonry, which is how IA ended up in a masonry with her on the same night his other mason partner (binus) was killed. How did this bounce happen? Well, binus and Idle Amalgam both have the same ability to redirect an action performed on their chosen person to another. Idle Amalgam redirected actions from Green Wing to Keats. So who redirected the action from Keats to Idle Amalgam? Probably binus, right? Why would scum redirect from town player to town player? They wouldn't (barring wifom, which seems a bit much for night 1). They'd redirect from their scum buddy to town player. ##vote Johnny Keats
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Apr 20, 2023 10:30
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Maugrim posted:I've just noticed something. Good thinking but not the case, my power randomly redirects actions pointing at it to another random target
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Apr 20, 2023 10:42
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My ability did not activate last night - no one targeted me with anything I've really no ability-based leads on who is still scum, and obviously I can't read worth a drat given the last two day deaths, but I'm leaning ##vote taste as their low-key pseudo-troll posting feels like keeping their head down
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Apr 20, 2023 10:44
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Yeah I could really get behind voting taste.
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Apr 20, 2023 10:45
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Green Wing posted:Good thinking but not the case, my power randomly redirects actions pointing at it to another random target Oh dammit. Never mind that then. …Are you, by any chance, in an unconfirmed masonry with toal? There seems to be a pattern going on.
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Apr 20, 2023 10:55
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##unvote for now
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Apr 20, 2023 10:56
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Nope, I am masonless
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Apr 20, 2023 11:28
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I have literally nothing on taste and I think they are very busy irl so I’m hesitant to read much into the lurkiness. I’m fine with voting off a lurker in the absence of solid leads but I want to see where today’s discussion goes first. More data for the spreadsheet! Incidentally the reason I voted toal first thing is because she’s been acting scummy enough since the start that a bunch of people picked up on it, and if she’s a passive redirector I’m wondering if that was a ploy by scum to draw night actions and thus sow confusion.
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Apr 20, 2023 11:48
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For clarity, I targeted Sandwolf and got "launch". Unlike my description of "control" which had apparently replaced the flavor name with a role name that didn't appear in the original PM, this time I can be sure that the term "launch" will be recognized by the player with this role. If you have a role like that, I may have hit you instead. It's easy to imagine the role is unique, since pinball machines only have one launching mechanism, so it's safe to assume you were immune from blocks/redirects if you have this role. Not that it probably informs you of much.
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Apr 20, 2023 12:58
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My ability didn't fire? Lol hard to believe no one targeted me. I actually agree with RWC, maugrim is content lurking and trying to solve a game through night actions that is purposefully deceptive. That effort is fake, imo. Would vote taste
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Apr 20, 2023 13:11
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Paranoid Dude posted:Mafia edit: Also pd
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Toalpaz posted:My ability didn't fire? Lol hard to believe no one targeted me. You’re a bumper, of course nobody is going to target you knowing it will just bounce to someone else! And I disagree, the game is complex but not unsolvable and I’ve got a lot of new player energy to burn on attempting it  Question for Keats - why didn’t you target me last night as agreed?
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Apr 20, 2023 14:37
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Maugrim posted:Question for Keats - why didn’t you target me last night as agreed? Because he lied about his role, like I have been indicating all along. Think about it, the chain-claiming, the relentless tunneling of Meen even which, by the way, the flip confirmed COULD NOT HAVE BEEN WHAT HE CLAIMED HAPPENED. Remember, he claimed to have directly targetted Meen and that Meen was a doubling role. He was not. If Keats' role works as he claims it does, the claim Keats made would have been incontrovertible. Instead, he's wrong, oopsie poopsie!! ##Vote Keats
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Apr 20, 2023 15:17
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Even if Keats actually is the coinslot, he would have known that Meen is a doctor role that doesn't redirect. This is ironclad, guys.
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Apr 20, 2023 15:19
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Johnny Keats posted:Paranoid Dude could very well be scum as well laying mostly in the background yesterday. Also lmao
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Apr 20, 2023 15:27
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It’s insulting that you think I’d be in this position as scum
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Apr 20, 2023 15:29
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Johnny Keats posted:For clarity, I targeted Sandwolf and got "launch". Unlike my description of "control" which had apparently replaced the flavor name with a role name that didn't appear in the original PM, this time I can be sure that the term "launch" will be recognized by the player with this role. Can confirm you hit me
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Apr 20, 2023 15:44
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Maugrim posted:Question for Keats - why didn’t you target me last night as agreed? I actually did, then changed my mind like 2 hours before night-deadline. I didn't want to be a free rolecop for scum again is why.
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Johnny Keats posted:I actually did, then changed my mind like 2 hours before night-deadline. I didn't want to be a free rolecop for scum again is why. If Maugrim is scum, why not vote for them?
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Maugrim posted:I think wins is the more likely of the two because he, a scum, would have known you were not scum (why I’m convinced you’re not scum is a whole other story) and therefore… wait, poo poo, that logic doesn’t work because there’s a night vig/serial killer out there isn’t there? There’s no way he’d risk targeting himself. Duh. wins would have known I'm not scum but I don't know how you would have. I think I woiuld like to hear that whole other story.
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Apr 20, 2023 17:12
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Actually, rereading some of the thread, Wins was pretty sure that Keats was town. I really can't believe that Keats might actually be town, but I have to entertain the possibility, sadly. ##Vote Toalpaz
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Mafia edit for clarity: Wins was convinced that Keats was ""scum"" but since Wins was scum, clearly this would mean that Keats is town if Wins was accusing him of being scum
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Paranoid Dude posted:If Maugrim is scum, why not vote for them? Sorry, I phrased that unclearly. I felt like if I used my action predictably again, scum would redirect me to someone and my information would only be useful for scum who knows my true target.
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t a s t e posted:It’s insulting that you think I’d be in this position as scum Why aren't you tunneling me?
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Sandwolf, mind saying who you targeted? Again, not that it is likely to be elucidating
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Johnny Keats posted:Why aren't you tunneling me? Have you stopped beating your wife?
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Um, what does that mean? I just think it's odd how complacent you're being. Considering you tunneled me last time as scum, I'm not sure what it means, but I did call you out for that immediately on day 1 so you might have switched tacks. Just asking... where's your head at?
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Honesty hand: I sound like a broken record but I'm currently only lucid in spurts with a bad infection. I'm not replacing out as I think I'm out of the worst of it but my engagement is going to be unpredictable. Anyway, ##vote Toalpaz Or taste but I'm more feeling this I think.
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Everybody with votes on them rn (sand, taste, toal) is a solid flip. Gotta be an sk with 3 2-kill nights in a row
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Rhymes With Clue posted:wins would have known I'm not scum but I don't know how you would have. I think I woiuld like to hear that whole other story. I decided you were most likely town towards the end of day 2, when you made a number of posts that felt highly towny to me, and then I was impressed that you were so openly discussing your actions and targeting with IA in your masonry - I thought scum would be more careful, whereas if I ended up in a masonry with IA I would share everything because I'm almost 100% certain he's town (due to him previously being in a masonry with known scum). At any rate in my confessional for night 2 I felt safe assuming you were town, but annoyingly didn't elaborate my reasoning at the time so this is my best reconstruction of it 
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Apr 20, 2023 20:14
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##vote gw wants to vote out basically vanilla town when there's people dying and someone else confirmed my role
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Toalpaz posted:##vote gw Could you point me at this role confirmation, sorry?
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Also, a classic omgus in the wild! I thought those were extinct
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