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Hi Yami, nice to meet you. Based on what happened to me last night I feel okay about you being town for the moment. Green Wing and I are the only ones awake at this time so I doubt a turbo is going to happen. To help with your reconstruction of events, I’m a town night vig. I targeted Toal night 1 and got redirected onto binus by sheer luck I targeted wins night 2 and got ‘em I targeted taste night 3 and got redirected onto Idle Amalgam. When I do the kill the flavour text says “ejected”, same as the day elims, whereas scum kills are flavoured as “destroyed”. I assume scum targeted IA last night as an almost-confirmed townie but were foiled by me accidentally killing him first. This is useful resolution order information, and why I feel okay claiming now - even if scum target me tonight I should be able to get one more shot in 
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Maugrim posted:Hi Yami, nice to meet you. Based on what happened to me last night I feel okay about you being town for the moment. Oh, okay. Interesting. If I hadn't known that I wouldn't have used my thing on you and let you shoot taste. Can you elaborate on how your role works? 3 shots in a game this size seems a lot.
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Yami Fenrir posted:Oh, okay. Interesting. It is literally the simplest role possible. I can kill one person a night. The reason I suspect it’s not OP is because it’s so prone to redirection (2/3 times so far!) - since Keats’ death I straight up cannot kill bumpers with it which is why I kept asking him to lay his ability on me. Also from what you just said I’m not sure I’ve understood how your ability works? I got launched into someone and gained a one shot ability from… them, I assume. I assumed target was random but does your launch action also explicitly redirect the target of my action? Because the one-shot I gained doesn’t seem to match IA’s
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Maugrim posted:It is literally the simplest role possible. I can kill one person a night. I am not 100% sure how it works myself. Paraphrased: I target you. You will randomly visit a player (I don't know if in addition or instead of your target). You will then receive a one-shot of said random target. I don't know if you'll even do your role ability on said target or if it's a "wanderer" style empty target. The role PM isn't entirely clear on any of these things unfortunately. I targeted you mostly because you were unclaimed, but also seemed townie to me, so I wouldn't mind you getting a one-shot ability. I was worried about messing up an important townie ability... and apparently did exactly that.  Fwiw, my initial thought was Green Wing, but they redirect, and RWC already complained about getting redirected before.
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Apr 24, 2023 07:24
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Yami Fenrir posted:I am not 100% sure how it works myself. Paraphrased: Maf edit. Speaking if RWC, I was recruited into a masonry by them last night.
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Apr 24, 2023 07:25
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Maugrim posted:##vote taste Not saying I'm opposed but let's not be hasty. Oh man, on preview I see that I missed a whole page. I was gonna ask for some claims and I see we've got some. Okay.
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Apr 24, 2023 07:27
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Slight spam posting - got dinged for too few posts, so I guess I need to split up my thoughts more
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Apr 24, 2023 10:05
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I stuck with ##vote taste last round and I'll do the same here
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Apr 24, 2023 10:05
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Going to be honest, wasn't reading GW as scum nearly all game but yesterday has shot her up quite a bit - said voting for someone that is likely town would be a bad idea, does it anyway, and had a lot of vote switching which I don't feel like is apt for a veteran player
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Apr 24, 2023 10:05
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Maybe she's not on the painkillers or whatever like she was as the beginning of the game and the posting shift is what is hitting an internal red flag for me
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Apr 24, 2023 10:06
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Punkreas posted:Going to be honest, wasn't reading GW as scum nearly all game but yesterday has shot her up quite a bit - said voting for someone that is likely town would be a bad idea, does it anyway, and had a lot of vote switching which I don't feel like is apt for a veteran player Can you elaborate on that? I'm reading GW as fairly town so I'm pretty curious.
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Apr 24, 2023 10:26
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##vote taste They were giving me big scum vibes yesterday, basically saying nothing useful or meaningful all day despite it having been a major night for us. Also, if Taste is town, I think we look at casing either Maug or GW. Nothing is explicitly pinging me immensely right now, but if this is a fruitless turbo, then I will commit be sus.
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Apr 24, 2023 12:54
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Guys, I'm all for voting taste but he's at -1 already, please calm down.
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Apr 24, 2023 12:57
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This flip is really important, Fenrir of the Sands. I think it will reveal a lot about the set-up and let us solve for a lot of the variables in this game.
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Apr 24, 2023 13:17
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Yes, and we got an entire day to flip them. Please give me time to catch up properly.
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Apr 24, 2023 13:19
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##unvote I dunno how you think I’m scum after my claim, Dude, but your attempt at encouraging a quick turbo to prevent further discussion/claims is noted.
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Apr 24, 2023 13:28
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Yeah I do have to agree that the first reaction to "Hey I vigged two scum" without a counterclaim being "eh scum maybe?" is a little odd
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Apr 24, 2023 13:34
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Anyway I'm reading the thread properly now, and will dig into post histories and stuff later. Right now I'm still at one of toal/taste being the most likely to have scum in it, but I'm sorta wondering if toal isn't actually a better choice. Toal had a really opportunistic vote on GW. Toalpaz posted:I agree ##vote green wings So did paranoid. Paranoid Dude posted:Sorry, I just like to see things happen, GW... Taste notably didn't iirc. The speed at which taste picked up votes today concerns me a little bit also, especially with paranoid being the one to do so. More as I get there.
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Apr 24, 2023 13:41
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If we think toal and paranoid are the remaining scum then we should vote off toal. I don’t know anything about paranoid’s role so there’s at least a chance I can vig him, but I can’t vig toal Other self professed bumpers are Punkreas and Green Wing and both have been heavily town for me.
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Apr 24, 2023 14:51
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Hmm paranoia was actually pushing toal pretty hard d3.
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Apr 24, 2023 15:12
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I'm a lot more lucid and able to think today, hurray! Honestly, I'm looking forward to seeing more of what Yami has to say. Fresh eyes, and all that.
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Apr 24, 2023 15:30
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Paranoia has been doing a lot of 'latch on to the latest thing' voting. I voted for taste on day start today because I'm salty about how yesterday went.
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Apr 24, 2023 15:31
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I will warn you, Maug, that I am a bumper. I activated last night, so when you vig'd taste, it bounced off him, hit me, ???, then got IA. I also misremembered and thought that Toalpaz was expelled and not IA. ##Vote Toal (third verse same as the first) Also, GW, I didn't "latch" onto toal, I have been trying to get them killed since d2 when the moronic Meen V. Keats debate was going on.
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Ah that makes a lot more sense, I was actually about to ask where the hell your toal suspicion went.
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I'm starting to think CPig might be a madman and might have made VT roles "bumper" roles. This is meta information, but I was pretty late joining the discord for this game and was given a "bumper" role. Knowing that this game is advertised as a "role-heavy game" I would be surprised if there's anybody with a VT role. In fact, I think Fenrir brings up a good point... where did your suspicion of Toalpaz go, GW? Taste might be scum, but I think with the information that he's a bumper (at least now, after this post) it's kind of a crazy thing to try and pursue taste instead of Toal. Maybe there are scum bumpers, wouldn't it be more worthwhile to try and flip toal, someone who has been on the hotseat nearly every day of the game at some point, to find out? We know that taste has a redirect of some kind, he might not be a bumper specifically though. We could have found out if keats was alive but yknow...
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I was actually talking about you, para, but noted. Going by my vague memory of the old games there were scum bumpers or at least had them as fakeclaims. I think just dismissing bumpers as instant VT seems very dangerous.
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I suppose taste could be a scum bumper too, but toalpaz has been consistently working in anti-town ways and genuinely every vote they have made has been anti-town. This is almost as safe as a vote could be.
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I think Toal is effectively a lurker at this point. Has been posting badly but barely participated yesterday. Would vote there as well. Disappeared around deadline when things were getting spicy. Actually, yeah - since town got voted out out of necessity, we should look very closely at those who checked out and went radio silent towards the end. I'd be looking at Sandwolf if he didn't replace out. But Toal definitely did.
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Don’t really blame you for voting me, it’s probably green wing but I get it
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Paranoid Dude posted:I'm starting to think CPig might be a madman and might have made VT roles "bumper" roles. This is meta information, but I was pretty late joining the discord for this game and was given a "bumper" role. Knowing that this game is advertised as a "role-heavy game" I would be surprised if there's anybody with a VT role. Yes, this is why I claimed vanilla clown
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t a s t e posted:Yes, this is why I claimed vanilla clown Wait, are you claiming bumper too?
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Toalpaz posted:I agree ##vote green wings +1 vote on GW. Toalpaz posted:##vote johnny Keats +1 vote on Keats Toalpaz posted:if i understand the game mechanics, there's almost 0 % chance of your ability being pro town, because as it is described, it makes scum kill more predictable. I'm still unsure how bumper is pro town. Not that I think all bumpers are scum (that's impossible ofc) but this seems like over-embellishing the role's towniness. Toalpaz posted:im also still willing to kill green wings. I'll kill again and again until i win. This was way after Green Wing admitted the PR was fake, and just reads to me that they just held onto their scumread, entirely disregarding that the main reason people were sus of GW seemed to have been the role? Toalpaz posted:##vote meen i cant believe we killed our real doctor jailer over meen hopped onto meen after JK already started the push. Toalpaz posted:by the way we are 1000)% killing kea(ts)n if meen flips town. setting up a chain execution, both of which we know know were town. Toalpaz posted:There's nothing to talk about. Vote out meens and green wings and win Oh and still going on about GW... for some reason? Can someone tell me if there was actual suspicion on GW at the time? To me this just seems like they've never bothered updating their reads. Toalpaz posted:There's nothing to talk about. Vote out meens and green wings and win Toalpaz posted:I don't have to think about anything sir, I'm town. Shutting down discussion. Toalpaz posted:##vote gw This just seems like a bad faith argument given that there's at least 4 bumpers and nothing about the role guarantees town alignment. Toalpaz posted:It's true, I got launched and I had the ability to shoot a masonry at someone. Someone. Just never used it because I don't like being in the masonry. So that launchability is confirmed, not anti-town This is also honestly weird. You're the closest thing to a VT, and you refuse to use the action that you did get. Liking Masons or no this does mean that the action is conveniently free to do other things, such as, y'know, nking people. Christ now that I'm actually listing it this is so much. ##vote toal
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Yami Fenrir posted:Wait, are you claiming bumper too? Taste, please answer this, might be into something.
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t a s t e posted:Don’t really blame you for voting me, it’s probably green wing but I get it I keep hearing people say that but I feel like nobody ever elaborates why?
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Yami Fenrir posted:I keep hearing people say that but I feel like nobody ever elaborates why? Yeah, I’ve seen various people saying they are getting scum vibes from GW but I’ve never seen it. The only post of hers that pinged me was the one where she claimed she was far better as scum than as town - considering she’s been playing this one just fine imo even while doped up… hmm! But that’s far from damning evidence and I’ve wanted to off toal the whole game, so since you’ve made a good case let’s do it imo. ##vote Toalpaz for hopefully the last time
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Also I agree I’ve been thinking for a while that bumpers must be the vanilla equivalent in this game, since I realised there were at least 3 and they weren’t masoned together. Definitely would expect vanilla scum to be bumpers too. Taste, why do you think my vig specifically bounced off you? What info do bumpers get? Are you a bumper?
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Yami Fenrir posted:Wait, are you claiming bumper too? Yes
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That's our 5th bumper claim then. That seems a lot. How many bumpers does a pinball machine usually have?
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Many bumpers, many flippers. I'm leaning Toal. Back later.
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Yami Fenrir posted:
Even before the Meen Incident finalized, Toal wasn't looking great. After her current vote history, it's damning. As for GW being sussy, I have had radiant bad vibes from GW, but the multiball incident was so insanely bold, that I can't help but trust her. It's hard to case her though because she was sick for a couple days.
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