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Idle Amalgam
Mar 7, 2008

said I'm never lackin'
always pistol packin'
with them automatics
we gon' send 'em to Heaven
alright, gather round...

I've read the game and divined that scum are: RWC, Keats and at least one other who has yet to reveal their treacherous hand.

Good evening.

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Idle Amalgam
Mar 7, 2008

said I'm never lackin'
always pistol packin'
with them automatics
we gon' send 'em to Heaven
##vote RWC

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
It's not me, I'm just having fun with it. I also did have a good reason to make that "rolefishing" post. I am a sort of empowerer, which I'd rather use on someone with a non-redirection ability.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
Also I am immune to redirects. So don't try, haha

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Johnny Keats posted:

Also I am immune to redirects. So don't try, haha

Does posting scummy come naturally to you?

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Infinitum posted:

Does posting scummy come naturally to you?

It does, actually.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
I actually am immune from redirects though.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
##Vote Infinitum

And here is why:

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Infinitum posted:

What happens if I do this

##vote Green Wing

Funny vote that he kept on after the Green Wing stuff was over.

Infinitum posted:

So every time you vote for josefstalinator you get a post out of them?

##vote josefstalinator

Interesting

Another vote to "test" something, then it stayed.

Now he is talking like he thinks I'm scum but his jokevote is still elsewhere.

In addition, his response to the multiball thing was to gleefully let everything burn

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

Johnny Keats posted:

It's not me, I'm just having fun with it. I also did have a good reason to make that "rolefishing" post. I am a sort of empowerer, which I'd rather use on someone with a non-redirection ability.

Hi, I'm a pretty decent candidate for that (unless you still think I'm obvious scum, in which case you should actually case me).

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

Hi, I'm a pretty decent candidate for that (unless you still think I'm obvious scum, in which case you should actually case me).

I forgot I said that about you, but thanks for reminding me. I stand by it. A lot of the same reasons as Infinitum, you were talking about how funny things would be even if it was bad for town

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

Johnny Keats posted:

I forgot I said that about you, but thanks for reminding me. I stand by it. A lot of the same reasons as Infinitum, you were talking about how funny things would be even if it was bad for town

I think it's funny when insane things happen. If you think that only scum can laugh at the thought of incredible poo poo derailing town's game I have a bridge to sell you.

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Johnny Keats posted:

Funny vote that he kept on after the Green Wing stuff was over.

Another vote to "test" something, then it stayed.

Now he is talking like he thinks I'm scum but his jokevote is still elsewhere.

In addition, his response to the multiball thing was to gleefully let everything burn

Funny things are funny
People aren't tied to this thread 24/7

You also know the above 2 statements are correct
There's still tons of time left in D1 to do serious posting.

Relax brochacho

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


2 votes = LET IT ALL BURRRRNNNN

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Opopanax posted:

D1s suck and long D1s are even worse let's just do this thing

I'd personally like this day to last as lo
ng as possib
le because my kids go back to school on Monday and I might actually
have time to play

Also my cat is sitting on the enter key

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

Hi, I'm a pretty decent candidate for that (unless you still think I'm obvious scum, in which case you should actually case me).

Okay I was already sus on Iggy but this post has tipped me over, why would you admit to being a non-redirector and make yourself a target for NK

Even if it’s reverse psychology and you are a town-aligned redirector it would be a p risky move with unpredictable outcomes favouring scum

##vote Ignatius M. Meen

b-minus1
Jul 24, 2008

She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

Maugrim posted:

Okay I was already sus on Iggy but this post has tipped me over, why would you admit to being a non-redirector and make yourself a target for NK

Even if it’s reverse psychology and you are a town-aligned redirector it would be a p risky move with unpredictable outcomes favouring scum

##vote Ignatius M. Meen

:stare:

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Hey, at least I’m trying to generate content, mr too-jaded-to-make-real-posts

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Pro-newbie mafia/werewolf tip: Attack the argument, not the poster

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
I know my newbie status is on full display here but I genuinely don’t know what argument this


is making so it’s very hard to attack it.

Best guess is that I put too much effort into a post for day 1 and that’s a faux pas?

Or my argument is obviously awful, but that cannot possibly be the case.

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
I do take your point though and will refrain from name-calling. Sorry binus.

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Like if you think they're not really engaging with the game, with posting one liners/non-sequiturs/emoticons, that's a valid argument you can make.

For example - At the moment my play is non-engaging, as generally what happens with SA Mafia games is you get 24 hours of 'joke phase' where noone really has anyone of import to say; the reason for this are that Mafia games generally have 48hr day phases, followed by 24 hours of night phase.
You can absolutely infer whatever you like, but a lot of it, not all, can be handwaved away pretty easily. (See Keats voting for me for 2 joke votes I made)

So what b-minus1 can do there, is basically laugh your vote off and make your case even weaker than it is, because you attacked them via name-calling, and not their posting style or try to win them across to your arguement.
Does that make sense?

(I'll try and keep the Mafia Dadding to a minimum, but we have new players)

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
That’s useful food for thought, thanks. At the risk of soliciting more mafia dadding, why is mafia dadding considered bad?

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


It's essentially me telling you how to play/not really adding anything

It can be useful as a scum tactic cause it seems like you're being helpful to other players

Punkreas
May 13, 2013

*chews on head*
Lipstick Apathy
In a game like this, is it necessarily better to clench a vote on the first day?

More standard Mafia it means delaying while scum get the time they need to work out an advantage somehow, and the risk:reward of possibly losing a townie to outing one of the few scum usually being worth it

But a game like this, rife with powers, if the town has a majority it also has a majority of powers to use, and since outing a townie is more likely than scum (and potentially losing a strong power as well), does waiting have a benefit?

Or, on the flip side, do the scum usually get the extra murder abilities that once again makes delays be in their favor?

Green Wing
Oct 28, 2013

It's the only word they know, but it's such a big word for a tiny creature

We absolutely want to flip somebody. Scum will generally kill somebody who was fairly uninvolved in discussions so we can't rely on that flip for info. Forgoing the flip d1 is a very bad thing for town to do.

Green Wing
Oct 28, 2013

It's the only word they know, but it's such a big word for a tiny creature

Was about to vote for Paranoid nut remembered that he posted just like this in Camelot. It was scummy posting there as well, but he flipped town. Going to give a pass.

Not going to vote Punkreas, Maugrim. I see Maugrim's point about Meen but I'm more inclined to see what happens there than vote.

b-minus1
Jul 24, 2008

She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before
Ngl I’ve been scrolling through posts for a while and nothing is really jumping out at me as obvious scum. Taste has basically no real posts and could be lurking scum but is prolly a bad vote for today

b-minus1
Jul 24, 2008

She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before
The same can be said about josefstalinator who I’m currently voting.

Green Wing
Oct 28, 2013

It's the only word they know, but it's such a big word for a tiny creature

I don't particularly like the votes on Josef but without any content there I would go there too. I don't want to deal with lurkers in this game and I think Josef should be voted if no reads are forthcoming.

I simultaneously think that scum may be seeing a possible lurker as an easy vote. I'll back off if he shows up, but his response to getting voted yesterday was to post contentless, which suggests nothing will come.it isn't good. ##vote josefstalinator

Green Wing
Oct 28, 2013

It's the only word they know, but it's such a big word for a tiny creature

b-minus1 posted:

The same can be said about josefstalinator who I’m currently voting.

The thing that tips me into voting for him is the fact he showed up after being voted for and still said nothing

Punkreas
May 13, 2013

*chews on head*
Lipstick Apathy

Green Wing posted:

We absolutely want to flip somebody. Scum will generally kill somebody who was fairly uninvolved in discussions so we can't rely on that flip for info. Forgoing the flip d1 is a very bad thing for town to do.

Noted, in which case I'll ##vote Johnny Keats - the early "role-fishing" stuff I didn't care about but the "it was actually to use my power for good, and also you shouldn't use powers on me" leaves a bad taste

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Oh we doing this? :hellyeah: new players are fun, let's squeeze this nerd for info

Johnny Keats posted:

Funny vote that he kept on after the Green Wing stuff was over.

Another vote to "test" something, then it stayed.

Now he is talking like he thinks I'm scum but his jokevote is still elsewhere.

In addition, his response to the multiball thing was to gleefully let everything burn

##vote Johnny Keats

Didn't really like anything that was said here
- Trys to pin me for what is clearly early day joke voting
- Apparently I want to "let everything burn" where, regardless of me finding power activations personally amusing, I'm at least also probing information as a secondary consideration

Why wouldn't you ask questions and try and suss out how powers work?

Green Wing posted:

The thing that tips me into voting for him is the fact he showed up after being voted for and still said nothing

I'd normally go that a 'vote -> player turning up' is a null alignment read due to time zones, etc.

But then they responded to me doing it and haven't been posting.
So yeah they might be worth looking into as well as someone who is just lurking at the periphery

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

Maugrim posted:

Okay I was already sus on Iggy but this post has tipped me over, why would you admit to being a non-redirector and make yourself a target for NK

Even if it’s reverse psychology and you are a town-aligned redirector it would be a p risky move with unpredictable outcomes favouring scum

##vote Ignatius M. Meen

I was interested in seeing how Keats responded and what his oh-so-obvious case on me was as I wagered that would likely play a pretty hefty role in determining whether I end up reading him as wrong town or not. The case he has on me is a couple jumps away from 'vibes' which is extremely unusual for Keats; I wouldn't blink twice at most anybody else having an argument like that but I've never seen this out of Keats before. Would vote.

As for the risk? If scum want to assume it's safe to kill me because I'm offering myself as an option for empowerment to Keats then I'm the last person who's going to tell them they shouldn't. By all means, go right ahead.

b-minus1
Jul 24, 2008

She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

Green Wing posted:

The thing that tips me into voting for him is the fact he showed up after being voted for and still said nothing

Agreed.

I admit that I have a tendency to tunnel lurkers as scum because in my experience scum tend to be less active/helpful. It would be nice to flip someone with actual content. But For now I don’t see any reason to move my vote.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!



Maugrim claims that this is their first game, and yet they’re posting is perfect. Curious

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
Votecount for Day 1

Johnny Keats (5): wins32767, t a s t e, Paranoid Dude, Punkreas, Infinitum
JosefStalinator (2): b-minus1, Infinitum, Green Wing, Infinitum
Ignatius M. Meen (1): wins32767, Johnny Keats, wins32767, Johnny Keats, Maugrim
Rhymes With Clue (1): Idle Amalgam
Infinitum (1): Johnny Keats
Green Wing (1): Infinitum, Infinitum, Infinitum, Opopanax, Paranoid Dude, Paranoid Dude, Toalpaz, Toalpaz, Infinitum
b-minus1 (0): Infinitum, Infinitum
t a s t e (0): wins32767, wins32767, Johnny Keats, Johnny Keats
Paranoid Dude (0): Johnny Keats, Johnny Keats
Opopanax (0): t a s t e, t a s t e
wins32767 (0): Rhymes With Clue, Rhymes With Clue

Not Voting (5): Ignatius M. Meen, JosefStalinator, Rhymes With Clue, Sandwolf, Toalpaz

With 16 alive, it's 9 votes to execute. The current deadline is April 16th, 2023 at 6 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 day, 6 hours.

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Opopanax posted:

Maugrim claims that this is their first game, and yet they’re posting is perfect. Curious

Why thank you :love:

If you mean my use of the lingo, I’ve been observing a couple of games for the last few days and I’m a pretty good mimic

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Green Wing posted:

We absolutely want to flip somebody. Scum will generally kill somebody who was fairly uninvolved in discussions so we can't rely on that flip for info. Forgoing the flip d1 is a very bad thing for town to do.

I hear you in terms of what you are saying, but I don't like this response one bit. Having played with you before though, I think it is just how you play. Just so you are aware though, I get pinged when you talk about strategy for voting that entirely disregards the fact that we are trying to vote out scum.

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Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Punkreas posted:

Noted, in which case I'll ##vote Johnny Keats - the early "role-fishing" stuff I didn't care about but the "it was actually to use my power for good, and also you shouldn't use powers on me" leaves a bad taste

When did I say not to use powers on me? I'm just immune from redirects. Saying this helps town better use their night actions, no? Weird that I'm getting attacked for claiming.

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