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Hmm. I'm getting flashbacks to an earlier game where I got tunnelled real hard by Grandi for no reason D1. He was town. Maybe this is just a slapfight after all. In that case, scum are lurking and just hoping this'll slowly roll itself towards a misyeet with no further interference, especially so because of the plurality vote.
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Sandwolf posted:I don’t feel the same conviction as last time but I am still getting scumpings from you Agreed.
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May 12, 2023 18:24
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When was the last time you *were* scum HCT? (This isn’t a gamblers fallacy thing)
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May 12, 2023 18:24
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Sandwolf posted:Yeah My case on schwin is the same level of depth as your calls on bminus. It's scummy when I do it but not when you do it?
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May 12, 2023 18:26
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Sandwolf posted:I don’t feel the same conviction as last time but I am still getting scumpings from you Recent events have taught me that town binus prods more and posts scumtells more handily than towntells, so maybe you're on to something.
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May 12, 2023 18:26
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wins32767 posted:My case on schwin is the same level of depth as your calls on bminus. It's scummy when I do it but not when you do it? Tryna deduce if this defensiveness makes sense
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May 12, 2023 18:27
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Recent events have taught me that town binus prods more and posts scumtells more handily than towntells, so maybe you're on to something. Welcome to the reading-binus-gang!!
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May 12, 2023 18:27
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Sandwolf posted:When was the last time you *were* scum HCT? (This isn’t a gamblers fallacy thing) Songs mafia, I think. Doesn't stop people from calling everything I say scummy though. It wears a bit thin. But right now mostly I'm just concerned that scum are just sitting back now, refusing to post, and not posting any reads so that they can brush off my misyeet tomorrow as "oh well just D1 lol". You know, at least Somber has some semblance of logic even though it's wrong. Maybe they aren't scum. ##unvote for now.
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May 12, 2023 18:28
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Sandwolf posted:Tryna deduce if this defensiveness makes sense I think you're just reading my lovely week coming through my posts, tbh. That was intended as a plea to reason.
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May 12, 2023 18:29
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If you all want to call it a slapfight then fine, but I feel that I have made a genuine point in that Hypercrabtank was both very dismissive of their flavor hunting, while acknowledging they view it as an important game factor. trying to call out anyone who was 'afraid ' to air their flavor day one does not read like genuine town motivated scum hunting to me. My perceived discrepancy between these points indicates an inconsistent narrative, which is motivating my vote. If you disagree that's that, but I want some level of acknowledgement regarding the core thought process here from those who are dismissive.
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May 12, 2023 18:29
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Somberbrero posted:If you all want to call it a slapfight then fine, but I feel that I have made a genuine point in that Hypercrabtank was both very dismissive of their flavor hunting, while acknowledging they view it as an important game factor. trying to call out anyone who was 'afraid ' to air their flavor day one does not read like genuine town motivated scum hunting to me. I'm going to assume for the sake of argument that you're town and not intentionally misreading me. Let's clarify the timeline, okay? I make an introductory post and ask for someone's name. I do this a couple more times. Let me say it for the third time: This is primarily a breadcrumb. Somewhat less effective now that I've had to say it, but I might get a chance to use it still. What your flavor is isn't that important to me. Then I get jumped. Here's the thing: I don't think a town player should be all that concerned about shutting down flavortalk. I think a town player that believes I'm fishing for flavor is just going to be quiet about it. I think having a strong reaction to it means you have something to hide. Do you see my logic here? Like, you don't have to agree with the logic. And maybe I'm wrong and your strong reaction is just... genuine suspicion. But do you at least understand why I think having such a strong reaction is indicative of someone who wants to completely shut down flavor arguments before they even begin?
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May 12, 2023 18:34
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wins32767 posted:I think you're just reading my lovely week coming through my posts, tbh. That was intended as a plea to reason. Sorry about your lovely week buddy <3
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May 12, 2023 18:37
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##vote shwinn I have seen the error of my ways
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May 12, 2023 18:51
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:I'm going to assume for the sake of argument that you're town and not intentionally misreading me. Let's clarify the timeline, okay? Trying to use those cruetacean logic wiles to trick me, I ain’t falling for it buddy! Let’s smoke this crab
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May 12, 2023 18:51
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Sandwolf posted:Tryna deduce if this defensiveness makes sense I think the defensiveness is townie. Wins didn’t play this defensive as scum in the passage till it was down to the wiiire
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May 12, 2023 18:53
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shwinnebego posted:I think the defensiveness is townie. Wins didn’t play this defensive as scum in the passage till it was down to the wiiire I was thinking about going to check that actually. Based on his bad week though I’m gonna take it as largely NAI
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May 12, 2023 18:54
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shwinnebego posted:Trying to use those cruetacean logic wiles to trick me, I ain’t falling for it buddy! This is not an argument. If you think something is wrong, say what that is.
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May 12, 2023 19:00
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Also sorry if I sound like a dick, I've just been struggling to communicate in mafia so I'm trying to be exact in my phrasing.Hyper Crab Tank posted:Then I get jumped. Here's the thing: I don't think a town player should be all that concerned about shutting down flavortalk. I think a town player that believes I'm fishing for flavor is just going to be quiet about it. I think having a strong reaction to it means you have something to hide. Do you see my logic here? Appreciate the detailed response. Questions: 1. Why do you think town should ignore flavor fishing? 2. As a member of the town, why are you interested in flavor if you don't think town should be interested in flavor arguments? Your role sounds different from mine in a way that seems strange. 3. You think scum should be defensive of their flavor. Why? If the game is breakable in that regard we could easily pursue this. I'm not sure I understand why you think that and I'd like to.
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May 12, 2023 19:10
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I would vote tm today as well
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May 12, 2023 19:11
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Sandwolf posted:I don’t feel the same conviction as last time but I am still getting scumpings from you That’s fine
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May 12, 2023 19:15
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Somberbrero posted:I would vote tm today as well TM has used his post limit pretty much how I would expect him to use it, especially on D1. Do you have post-based reasons for not liking TM?
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May 12, 2023 19:20
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Somberbrero posted:1. Why do you think town should ignore flavor fishing? [...] 3. You think scum should be defensive of their flavor. Why? If the game is breakable in that regard we could easily pursue this. I'm not sure I understand why you think that and I'd like to. It's not that I think town should ignore flavor fishing, as that I expect someone with innocuous flavor to not react strongly to a flavor prod (though, again, I wasn't really doing that in the first place). This doesn't mean the game is flavor solvable as a whole, I have no clue whether it is (though Sucrose has labeled if "extremely flavor heavy" which probably means there's a higher-than-usual correspondence of scum players to scummy flavor). Anyway, flavor solvable or not, if someone is sitting there looking at a role PM with some innocuous role from the movie - whether they are actually scum or town - I would expect them to take such a prod in stride. Someone with an innocent flavor role has nothing to hide and just instinctively wouldn't react strongly. Who would react strongly? Someone with a scummy as gently caress flavor claim. So, whether or not you have a claim like that - when seeing an unusually strong reaction, my thought process immediately goes "okay, Somber must have a scummy flavor claim or they wouldn't react so strongly, that means they're more likely than baseline to be scum". Again, agree or not - that's beside the point. Is this really such an unreasonable line to think about? Somberbrero posted:2. As a member of the town, why are you interested in flavor if you don't think town should be interested in flavor arguments? Your role sounds different from mine in a way that seems strange. It's not that town shouldn't be interested in flavor arguments - I'm not sure whether we should or not, see above - it's that townies have less reason to be afraid of flavor arguments than scum. Probably. I can't be sure of that. But I do have to wonder why you think this has something to do with my role? That seems like an assumption - what do you know that I don't about the flavor of this game? My observations have to do with what I expect townies to react like in general.
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May 12, 2023 19:22
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##unvote
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May 12, 2023 19:23
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This is supposed to be an extremely flavor heavy game, so flavor hunting is 100% a decent and legit tactic.,
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May 12, 2023 19:24
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Deadmeat5150 posted:This is supposed to be an extremely flavor heavy game, so flavor hunting is 100% a decent and legit tactic., Who do you think is scum?
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May 12, 2023 19:25
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wins32767 posted:Who do you think is scum? You 
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Hal Insandenza posted:TM has used his post limit pretty much how I would expect him to use it, especially on D1. Do you have post-based reasons for not liking TM? Agree w/ this
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May 12, 2023 19:38
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wins32767 posted:Who do you think is scum? Defending Deadmeat and stuff but he usually is slow to start and gets a lot better as the game goes, so, he p much always gets a D1 pass from me but here he specifically seems a bit laidback
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May 12, 2023 19:39
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Sandwolf posted:Defending Deadmeat and stuff but he usually is slow
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Sandwolf posted:Defending Deadmeat and stuff but he usually is slow to start and gets a lot better as the game goes, so, he p much always gets a D1 pass from me but here he specifically seems a bit laidback Sorry, maybe I'm too tired, but I'm not sure if you're calling Deadmeat scum here or saying he isn't? Side note, I think all of this has just been a distraction and while I could see Somber as merely genuinely suspicious town, I do suspect that actual scum love opportunities like this to just sit back, let this poo poo coast its way to a misyeet and maybe drop some votes where necessary. So at the very least they're sitting in the wings chuckling, maybe posting some cursory contentless stuff to appear as if they're actively contributing when they're actually not. Would vote shwinn and maybe binus too to be honest, D1 curse be damned. Hunt some of your own too, people.
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May 12, 2023 19:47
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I’ve got deadmeat on my town list
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May 12, 2023 19:52
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In fact let me just do this. The deadline is in the middle of the night for me so I'd rather put down a vote than leave it on the table. ##vote shwinn
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May 12, 2023 20:00
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I’m saying I lightly read Deadmeat as town but pushing him D1 for not having much to say is like voting Hal for being on a plane.
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May 12, 2023 20:08
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Sandwolf posted:I’m saying I lightly read Deadmeat as town but pushing him D1 for not having much to say is like voting Hal for being on a plane. Okay, that makes sense. Who is scum though?
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May 12, 2023 20:09
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I’m leaning Keats or OMG rn
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Okay, that makes sense. Who is scum though? Cube, I suspect
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I think we're going to have some trouble voting Cube out of this game.
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:I think we're going to have some trouble voting Cube out of this game. Oh you meant who’s da mafia. I dunno, I’m honestly getting some weird vibes from you, you seem more.. outward than usual? Usually you seem like you’re jumping into setup spec, though I guess this flavor stuff could be an outpouring of that.
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Interesting. Y'all are reading way too much into some jokephase breadcrumbs. Really makes me wonder what about your flavor is so incriminating you react so strongly to being asked what your name is. Eh, eh, ehhh It does feel like you have some vested interest in figuring out Keats’ “name” here. But then you go on to say flavor is probably not that important, but definitely important.
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HCT and Somber are both bad votes because they are working to push the game forward. ##Vote Shwin
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