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Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Should I just end this or does anyone feel like something constructive will happen?

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Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


I’m just not sure wins is coming back which is damming imo

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
i have nothing to say though i really have no idea why we're rushing wins

3?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?
I'm guessing scum don't have good options here other than gin up a new case, which is hard when no one is talking. Or this is useful for them and they're just v0v

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
Okay, I'm gonna hammer rather than deal with hours of dead air
##vote wins

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

:redhammer:

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

You were warned of the risks of moving to Stepford. Unfortunately for your fans, you’ll never get to write that book of poetry Wait Until He’s Asleep, Then Cut It Off.

wins32767 - Bobbie Markowitz, TOWN-Aligned Risky Bodyguard has been Eliminated.

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quote:

You are "Bobbie Markowitz." Many know you for your book I Love You, But Please Die. You are a Risky Bodyguard.

At night, you may risk an attempt to ##bodyguard a player. [Adding given some uncertainty in a few recent games. To be clear, this would count as a visit barring some other action.]
If they were to die for any reasons during that night, you will die instead.
If you ##bodyguard a SCUM-aligned player, you will be eliminated regardless of other night actions.

You are TOWN-aligned.

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It is now Night 2.

About 24 hours for night action(s), though a little sooner would be preferred if possible.

In order to make this less unfavorable for time zone folks, there will be zero nudges/reminders about this (beyond the initial pings). If 24 hours goes by without any submission, it will be assumed that no night action(s) are taken.

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

You were warned of the risks of moving to Stepford. Now, which aisle is quilted paper towels?

Hal Insandenza - Dave Markowitz, SCUM-Aligned Risky Recruiter has been Eliminated. [As described in the OP, flip-flavor (which includes pictures) is not necessarily indicative of cause of elimination]


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You are "Dave Markowitz." And...how long have you been married? *cue laugh track* You are a Risky Recruiter.

You are NOT able to use the scum team night elimination action.

At night, you may risk an attempt to ##convert a player. [Adding given some uncertainty in a few recent games. To be clear, this would count as a visit barring some other action.] If the player you ##convert is Bobbie Markowitz, they will SECRETLY become SCUM-aligned and inherit the SCUM win condition (BUT NO OTHER CHANGES). If the player you attempt to ##convert is anyone else, you will be eliminated instead.

You are SCUM-aligned.

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It is now Day 3. Deadline is in ~43 hours to get us back on track.

Here's yet another 'banner!'

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votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
Votecount for Day 3



Not Voting (8): b-minus1, Deadmeat5150, Hyper Crab Tank, Johnny Keats, OMGVBFLOL, Sandwolf, Somberbrero, Tired Moritz

With 8 alive, it's 5 votes to execute. The current deadline is May 17th, 2023 at 8 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 day, 19 hours.

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Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?
I have no idea what's going on at this point, but I am certainly interested.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
I guess they misconverted? No NK tho?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

Tired Moritz posted:

I guess they misconverted? No NK tho?

That would make no sense either because they would know wins is their target.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
Wait, what? That flip makes no sense. wins already flipped the role Hal was looking for, so why in the world would he be trying to convert anyone? That just seems unlikely to the point that it can be dismissed out of hand. So that means he wasn't killed by his own ability, he must've been killed by someone else. Okay - 11 players seems too small for a 3P but I guess it's not impossible, or we have a town vig. But then what happened to the scum NK? Hal's flip has a really weird line in it:

CubicalSucrose posted:

You are NOT able to use the scum team night elimination action.

So there has to be at least one other player out there who can or this is the saddest scum team in the universe.

Somber, meanwhile, you have some explaining to do. Preferably right now. I'm going to ##vote Somber on principle until an explanation manifests.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
Actually the more I think about it, the more this seems like evidence for some kind of redirection-type power in play. One way to explain what happened is that scum wanted to NK someone else, but it got redirected to Hal somehow. In that case we can't trust wins's bodyguard either.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

Wait, what? That flip makes no sense. wins already flipped the role Hal was looking for, so why in the world would he be trying to convert anyone? That just seems unlikely to the point that it can be dismissed out of hand. So that means he wasn't killed by his own ability, he must've been killed by someone else. Okay - 11 players seems too small for a 3P but I guess it's not impossible, or we have a town vig. But then what happened to the scum NK? Hal's flip has a really weird line in it:

So there has to be at least one other player out there who can or this is the saddest scum team in the universe.

Somber, meanwhile, you have some explaining to do. Preferably right now. I'm going to ##vote Somber on principle until an explanation manifests.

I dunno about that, I'm confirmedish town by wins.

Feels like scum are probably just lurking along if I had to guess.

I would offer up more info, but it still doesn't make any sense so I'm not sure it would be very helpful.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

Actually the more I think about it, the more this seems like evidence for some kind of redirection-type power in play. One way to explain what happened is that scum wanted to NK someone else, but it got redirected to Hal somehow. In that case we can't trust wins's bodyguard either.

Okay, actually that seems more plausible than my working theory and would explain why I thought wins was lying.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation

Somberbrero posted:

Okay, actually that seems more plausible than my working theory and would explain why I thought wins was lying.

What is your working theory? With a flip this weird I don't want to leave theories on the table.

Did you think wins was lying before?

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
Redirectors are satanic

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

Hyper Crab Tank posted:


Did you think wins was lying before?

I more or less had confirmation that wins did not visit me that night he said he did.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation

Somberbrero posted:

I more or less had confirmation that wins did not visit me that night he said he did.

More or less? But you also very strongly hinted that you had reason to think wins had attempted the NK, but was prevented from doing so. I still think you need to explain some poo poo here, because from where I'm sitting it feels like you tried to run a risky gambit to get a townie executed.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
Mmm, gonna have to side with HCT here. I don't see any reason how people to be so vague when their testimony got a townie killed

2?

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
I also don't like this:

Somberbrero posted:

I dunno about that, I'm confirmedish town by wins.

If you're now saying you know wins didn't visit you.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
I ahve reason to believe Hal was a death miller. Let's not get distracted by this. I'm not going to believe any scum flips if they say "You can't access the nightkill".

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation

Johnny Keats posted:

I ahve reason to believe Hal was a death miller. Let's not get distracted by this. I'm not going to believe any scum flips if they say "You can't access the nightkill".

Okay, you can't just drop some poo poo like that and then go "yeah but don't worry about it". What the hell do you mean you have "reason to believe" something like that?

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
Oh, that reminds me. What was that thing about night action votes? Have you figured anything out re that?

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

Oh, that reminds me. What was that thing about night action votes? Have you figured anything out re that?

Maf edit: Night votes, not night action votes.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Somberbrero posted:

I more or less had confirmation that wins did not visit me that night he said he did.

I'm giving you very meaningful eye contact right now.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

Oh, that reminds me. What was that thing about night action votes? Have you figured anything out re that?

No, I think it was a misdirection. That said, without even any evidence of a scum nightkill existing in this game, things are up in the air.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
Okay, I don't like any of what's being put on the table right now. Keats, you'd better tell me your name right now. You seem to know all kinds of weird poo poo about the game and I don't like it, nor do I like that you're going straight to death millers and "no evidence of a scum night kill" when there are like ten more plausible occam's razor-compatible avenues to explore here. If you know something that makes sense of any of this, you really should just put the cards on the table.

Johnny Keats posted:

I'm giving you very meaningful eye contact right now.

And what is this?

What the hell did I sign up for

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
If I claim, I will get modkilled.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Johnny Keats posted:

If I claim, I will get modkilled.

Even saying this is actually extremely toeing the line, based on the language in my PM.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation

Johnny Keats posted:

If I claim, I will get modkilled.

There is no universe in which I am willing to believe this is the case. What the gently caress. I don't even know which of you I want to vote more right now.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

I also don't like this:

If you're now saying you know wins didn't visit you.

I shared this thought though. It was weird.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
Honestly I believe Keats and that includes the weird as hell claiming = modkill thing. This has nothing to do with me gamewise, but solely on the fact I think sugar and cloaca are just into those kind of things.

b-minus1
Jul 24, 2008

She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before
lol this game is bonkers

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
So let me get this straight. Keats, what you're claiming (ha!) is that you are not allowed to claim your role, or Sucrose is going to modkill you? Okay, first of all, why? Are there only specific details you can't claim? Could you tell me your name if I asked you, but just not describe what your role does? Are you claiming your PM literally says "don't tell anyone anything about this or that" or what's the deal here?

I find this all incredibly unbelievable but I just want to hear how deep you claim this rabbit hole goes.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

So let me get this straight. Keats, what you're claiming (ha!) is that you are not allowed to claim your role, or Sucrose is going to modkill you? Okay, first of all, why? Are there only specific details you can't claim? Could you tell me your name if I asked you, but just not describe what your role does? Are you claiming your PM literally says "don't tell anyone anything about this or that" or what's the deal here?

I find this all incredibly unbelievable but I just want to hear how deep you claim this rabbit hole goes.

I'm afraid I may have already violated the rule, so I won't respond to this

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation

Johnny Keats posted:

It's possible I am just reading into weird language in my role PM and/or Cubical intentionally loving with me? To be as specific as possible while not role claiming, my role tell me that something happens based on who I am voting at the end of a phase. There is then a parenthetical to specify the two phases that this applies to.

What about this? Is this not a (partial) claim of what your role does? If you were in any danger of being modsmitten by talking about your role, surely that would've happened days ago. I think you're lying, but gently caress if I understand why you're choosing this weird way of doing it.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

What about this? Is this not a (partial) claim of what your role does? If you were in any danger of being modsmitten by talking about your role, surely that would've happened days ago. I think you're lying, but gently caress if I understand why you're choosing this weird way of doing it.

Sorry, I can't explain that.

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Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
##vote Keats

Somber has a lot of irregularity to answer for too, and I would vote either one of you, but I don't buy any of this.

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