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Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
Anyway, the thing I said about my role was 90% false.

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Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Johnny Keats posted:

Anyway, the thing I said about my role was 90% false.

This is why I didn't get modkilled for saying it.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation

Johnny Keats posted:

Anyway, the thing I said about my role was 90% false.

I think what you're saying about your role now is 100% false.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

I think what you're saying about your role now is 100% false.

Well I don't necessarily want to convince you otherwise, so...

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
Let's just ignore whatever it might imply about me, and trust that Hal was a death miller.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
I'm not going to ignore what it says about you, but until other people start checking in and contributing, from my point of view we are either living in a universe where:

* Scum tried to NK an unknown person N1 and it failed for uncertain reasons
* Scum tried to NK someone N2, and it was redirected to fellow scumbro Hal
* Somber is possibly lying and possibly tried a risky gambit, and wins was redirected to another player N1

Or, we're living in the universe where:

* Hal is a death miller
* Scum has no night kill
* Keats is not allowed to talk about his role on penalty of modkill
* Somber is still possibly a liar

Is this game crossing over with the disney bizarro world game somehow? Because mr. Occam over here has something to say about which of these worlds is reasonable to assume we live in, and which is just bonkers.

Either way the only thing keeping me from still voting Somber is how unreasonable this all sounds. I don't understand why any of this would be the case.

By the way, if you don't want to talk about yourself, let's talk about Hal. What exactly do you think Hal is? You said death miller, but do you think the entire flip is false or just his alignment or what? What about wins, was he a death miller too?

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
I don't know about Wins, but I think Hal's entire flip is fake.

And I only suggested that there's no proof of a scum nightkill. Which is certainly odd to be saying on day 3. By no means are we ruling out that Hal was killed normally by scum.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation

Johnny Keats posted:

I don't know about Wins, but I think Hal's entire flip is fake.

Okay, but why?

Johnny Keats posted:

And I only suggested that there's no proof of a scum nightkill. Which is certainly odd to be saying on day 3. By no means are we ruling out that Hal was killed normally by scum.

For the sake of argument, let's say you're right, then. How did Hal die?

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
... Keats, are you a death miller?

b-minus1
Jul 24, 2008

She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before
Wtf was up with that wins vote, somber

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

Okay, but why?

For the sake of argument, let's say you're right, then. How did Hal die?

I think scum killed him

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
If you think scum killed him, why did you say this?

Johnny Keats posted:

That said, without even any evidence of a scum nightkill existing in this game, things are up in the air.

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy
Because we don't know for 100% sure that there is a nightkill. I'm just pointing that out. When we are now facing a situation with either death millers or scum recruitment mechanics, I think we're beyond assuming anything.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
If I believed that Hal was killed by the scum nightkill (and for the record, I do), I don't think I would've said what you said. I would've questioned just how the nightkill ended up on Hal, or about the possibility of a town killer, but that leap in particular sounds like it's coming from someone who has a reason to think there isn't a scum nightkill, specifically. Why did you go there of all places?

Johnny Keats
Jan 24, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

If I believed that Hal was killed by the scum nightkill (and for the record, I do), I don't think I would've said what you said. I would've questioned just how the nightkill ended up on Hal, or about the possibility of a town killer, but that leap in particular sounds like it's coming from someone who has a reason to think there isn't a scum nightkill, specifically. Why did you go there of all places?

I am literally saying I think Hal was a death miller and scum killed him. On night 1 they must have been blocked by something.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation

Johnny Keats posted:

I am literally saying I think Hal was a death miller and scum killed him. On night 1 they must have been blocked by something.

Great, but then why did you make a post wondering about the possibility that there is no scum nightkill? Why did that pop into your head as a possibility to begin with? You know more than you're letting on and it doesn't feel towny to me.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
I also really would like Somber to pop in here and explain what the wins vote was all about, because there is something fishy there too. My assumption was that Somber roleblocked wins or something and thereby prevented the kill, but that doesn't seem to be the case. And nobody else has piped up with anything similar, either. So I'd really like Somber to clarify what's going on there.

b-minus1
Jul 24, 2008

She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before
Somber definitely made it seem like he had a result on wins.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

b-minus1 posted:

Somber definitely made it seem like he had a result on wins.

Not my fault you interpreted it that way.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
##vote Somber

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

I also really would like Somber to pop in here and explain what the wins vote was all about, because there is something fishy there too. My assumption was that Somber roleblocked wins or something and thereby prevented the kill, but that doesn't seem to be the case. And nobody else has piped up with anything similar, either. So I'd really like Somber to clarify what's going on there.

If you think I'm scum then you'll have to vote me, but claiming would remove any utility I have. I don't see why I would be comfortable pushing the wins vote as scum but I can understand obviously why it's confusing. Because I'm confused.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
Do you have a thing where if you tell us what your role is you will be modkilled too? What's your opinion on... waves vaguely in the direction of Keats

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

Hyper Crab Tank posted:

Do you have a thing where if you tell us what your role is you will be modkilled too? What's your opinion on... waves vaguely in the direction of Keats

If I did have that condition I couldn't say, right?

I don't think Keats is a great vote, no.

I'm assuming scum are just chilling and keeping quiet right now. Omg has been lurky and their weird comment yesterday about me being next tomorrow if I was wrong sounds like scum that knew wins was town.

##vote omgvbflol

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


IK EDIT: Jesus Christ Leper told me not to do this unless it was for gameplay related reasons. I probed Shwinn too fast for them to say. Sorry about this. I screenshotted what it said. To be fair, Shwinn was very much not looking at spoiled info from what I could tell.

- CubicalSucrose

Somebody fucked around with this message at 15:04 on May 16, 2023

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
... shwinn you were literally voted out D1. You are in spoiled obs. Why are you posting in the thread.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation
Back to the game.

Somberbrero posted:

If I did have that condition I couldn't say, right?

Well, Keats doesn't seem to have suffered any ill effects from doing so, despite wringing his hands about it.

Somberbrero posted:

I don't think Keats is a great vote, no.

Elaborate? Because I think whatever is going on, he's lying about something.

Somberbrero posted:

I'm assuming scum are just chilling and keeping quiet right now. Omg has been lurky and their weird comment yesterday about me being next tomorrow if I was wrong sounds like scum that knew wins was town.

##vote omgvbflol

Now, I can see the case made that scum are just chilling and doing whatever and letting town squabble over what part of this game is weirder than the other. And I do see what you're saying about OMG too. But I also really don't want to reward potential scum (i.e. you) for faking results on a townie and then pretending like nothing is going on when pressed the other day.

b-minus1
Jul 24, 2008

She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before
Lol

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
Yeah this seems like a town vs town fight. I have no reason to not believe that there's a death miller in this game.

On sombre, honestly I think they just play mafia: the forum game cagey like this. I know we have a recent meta where everyone just reveal their actions and we tried to piece everything from there but Sombre has been gone for a bit and is kinda old school so their vibe makes sense. Imo I don't like it either but I can't call them scum on that

Especially when I do think that their case on OMG have merit. Keep an eye out if there's a sudden rush of votes on sombre or Keats

HCT is pretty hard town unless their ????? is intense playacting.

5?

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?
My "reward" is everyone wanting to vote me at the cost of removing a pretty marginal town role. I get your rationale, but it's not something I can defend against specifically. My vote on wins was meant to mirror wins' vote on Schwinn and apply pressure to generate discussion. When he offered information that conflicted with what I understood to be true and then clammed up that just cemented it.

I didn't see where Keats lied unless you're referencing the claim thing? I imagine sucrose doesn't want to modkill someone unless they really really have to, it stinks.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

Tired Moritz posted:

Yeah this seems like a town vs town fight. I have no reason to not believe that there's a death miller in this game.

On sombre, honestly I think they just play mafia: the forum game cagey like this. I know we have a recent meta where everyone just reveal their actions and we tried to piece everything from there but Sombre has been gone for a bit and is kinda old school so their vibe makes sense. Imo I don't like it either but I can't call them scum on that

Especially when I do think that their case on OMG have merit. Keep an eye out if there's a sudden rush of votes on sombre or Keats

HCT is pretty hard town unless their ????? is intense playacting.

5?

:corsair:

back in my day people didn't claim wily nily, they took their roles to the grave, and we respected them for it!

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop
Votecount for Day 3

OMGVBFLOL (1): Somberbrero
Somberbrero (1): Hyper Crab Tank, Hyper Crab Tank, Hyper Crab Tank
Johnny Keats (0): Hyper Crab Tank, Hyper Crab Tank

Not Voting (6): b-minus1, Deadmeat5150, Johnny Keats, OMGVBFLOL, Sandwolf, Tired Moritz

With 8 alive, it's 5 votes to execute. The current deadline is May 17th, 2023 at 8 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 1 day, 9 hours.

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Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation

Somberbrero posted:

I didn't see where Keats lied unless you're referencing the claim thing? I imagine sucrose doesn't want to modkill someone unless they really really have to, it stinks.

Well that's just the thing. I just don't think "I'll modkill you if you talk about your role" is a real thing. But like, considering the possibilities here, right? Either it's real or it isn't.

* If it's not real, Keats is obviously hiding something and really wants to keep that information hidden. Whatever it is, I don't think it's towny, especially since he's also going on about death millers and no NK and other bizarro world stuff. He has TMI and I think he should be flipped to find out the truth.
* If it is real, then we have to ask ourselves why the mod would impose a restriction like that. It seems... extreme for a town role to get a restriction like that, especially since none of the townies who have flipped have anything like that (nor do I, just for the record). Once again, I can only come to the conclusion that Keats's role is something anti-town, and needs to be flipped.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation

Tired Moritz posted:

On sombre, honestly I think they just play mafia: the forum game cagey like this. I know we have a recent meta where everyone just reveal their actions and we tried to piece everything from there but Sombre has been gone for a bit and is kinda old school so their vibe makes sense. Imo I don't like it either but I can't call them scum on that

This, in comparison, makes sense to me. I don't like it either, especially after misyeeting wins, but at least I can envision towny reasons to want to keep your role secret.

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

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But for the record I also don't like the cultivation of a meta where people can say "yep, I have results on X, they're scum", and then when X flips town we just pretend like nothing fishy is going on and that you shouldn't even try to explain why you said that in the first place.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?
Respect to HCT for pushing the game forward, but I do need to hear from other people. Deadmeat, you lurking because you're scum?

Hyper Crab Tank
Feb 10, 2014

The 16-bit retro-future of crustacean-based transportation

Somberbrero posted:

Respect to HCT for pushing the game forward, but I do need to hear from other people.

That at least I agree with 100%. Ugh, actually, I'm going to do something else for a while to get some distance. Not in any rush to settle on a vote anyway, deadline is more than 24 hours away.

b-minus1
Jul 24, 2008

She's a maniac, maniac
on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before
I could go deadmeat

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


shwinnebego posted:

IK EDIT: Jesus Christ Leper told me not to do this unless it was for gameplay related reasons. I probed Shwinn too fast for them to say. Sorry about this. I screenshotted what it said. To be fair, Shwinn was very much not looking at spoiled info from what I could tell.

- CubicalSucrose

Lmfaoooooo

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


shwinnebego posted:

IK EDIT: Jesus Christ Leper told me not to do this unless it was for gameplay related reasons. I probed Shwinn too fast for them to say. Sorry about this. I screenshotted what it said. To be fair, Shwinn was very much not looking at spoiled info from what I could tell.

- CubicalSucrose

I am just dying that Cube had to do this, lmao

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Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


HCT, lemme try something, can you claim your flavor?

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