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Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Maugrim posted:

Look at the numbers of kills. Consistent with there being three killers at start of game, one of them a long poisoner.

If our poisoner had been Insane, they would have in fact have given their target a shot of voteproof. My belief is one of the teams has an insane killer who doesn't actually kill. I thought it was your team, but now I think it might be Team Normal, unless for some reason Josef or Neverhelm decided to kill Hal.

I didn't want to bring it up, but I was attacked 2 nights ago and lost my BP. There absolutely is another killer out there.

I refuse to believe that you a) didn't consider this and b) didn't get one in the first place.

You're up to something.

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Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Yami Fenrir posted:

I didn't want to bring it up, but I was attacked 2 nights ago and lost my BP. There absolutely is another killer out there.

I refuse to believe that you a) didn't consider this and b) didn't get a BP in the first place.

You're up to something.

maf edit

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011

PlasticAutomaton posted:

I've got an alignment check and after significant testing I am reasonably confident I know my sanity. So uh yeah.

Well you're right, that's how I investigate for a bit of camo, though with every team being informed of their members that one was never going to help for long

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Illusionis posted:

Well you're right, that's how I investigate for a bit of camo, though with every team being informed of their members that one was never going to help for long

NGL that makes me more suspicious of you, not less...

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Yami Fenrir posted:

I didn't want to bring it up, but I was attacked 2 nights ago and lost my BP. There absolutely is another killer out there.

I refuse to believe that you a) didn't consider this and b) didn't get one in the first place.

You're up to something.

You were attacked N2? That is interesting, although unverifiable. There being an extra killer out there doesn't really affect things in terms of voting for the person I think is most likely to be a killer

Our team's BP went to Zoya who promptly got voted out so I forgot they were a thing tbh

NeverHelm
Aug 9, 2017

Never attribute to malice that post which is adequately explained by a poor sense of humor.
Illu is not a killer, for what it's worth. Voodoofly checked Illu as a priority for obvious reasons, and with what we now know the result clearly shows that Illu is not a killer.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Well, that's something.

Still, Illu false-copping as Normal really weirds me out. That seems so... random?

I can accept the rest of the role, but... why that?

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011

Punkreas posted:

Now I can't say what's on the back end or how things show up but I've still got sanity results whatever Illu is showing, and there's clearly still a killer (maybe two?) left in the game

Josef is Paranoid

Also, Hal has the exact same role as RWC aside from flavor and being a Normal Normal

Not sure if any of this is useful to Illu for a vote

While I do appreciate the information, reviewing what I know about the game and things point towards you being the most likely to be lying about their role. So I can't really trust this and I'm afraid I'll have to ##vote Punkreas

As for why I appear as Normal, that's what I chose before the game thinking they would most likely be an uninformed majority group.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Tell me again why someone supposedly immortal needs a godfather type protection at all?

This doesn't add up. You're lying about something. And since you decided to make my team the scapegoat...

##vote Illusionis

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Yami Fenrir posted:

Well, that's something.

Still, Illu false-copping as Normal really weirds me out. That seems so... random?

I can accept the rest of the role, but... why that?

Could it be because Cube realised he needed some sort of basis to give a cop result if the cop was Insane (opposite results)?

Plastic is insane ftr, that's why he investigated Illu out of curiosity as to what he'd get.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Maugrim posted:

Could it be because Cube realised he needed some sort of basis to give a cop result if the cop was Insane (opposite results)?

Plastic is insane ftr, that's why he investigated Illu out of curiosity as to what he'd get.

I don't know.

Maybe.

Still seems intensely fishy too me, especially the part where he gets to pick it. As well as the whole "can't die" bit.

I don't trust it. Somethings off - why is does he even care to try and direct the lunch if he's basically a passive, immortal observer?

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Yami Fenrir posted:

I don't know.

Maybe.

Still seems intensely fishy too me, especially the part where he gets to pick it. As well as the whole "can't die" bit.

I don't trust it. Somethings off - why is does he even care to try and direct the lunch if he's basically a passive, immortal observer?

To be more specific, I think he's trying to get people to not vote him, despite pretending to be blase about it.

If things truly are as he claims, no lunching would be beneficial to him as he gets more time to get his supposed guesses correct.

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011

Yami Fenrir posted:

To be more specific, I think he's trying to get people to not vote him, despite pretending to be blase about it.

If things truly are as he claims, no lunching would be beneficial to him as he gets more time to get his supposed guesses correct.

Well I do need the flips to figure things out, especially with somebody claiming a false role. Also team Paranoid and Normal, you folks probably don't want Naive to keep 3 members alive with an active killer still on their team.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Normal hasn't flipped a killer either, and it's very curious that you're not mentioning that when you cop as normal.

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011

Yami Fenrir posted:

Normal hasn't flipped a killer either, and it's very curious that you're not mentioning that when you cop as normal.

Sure Normal still have their killer, but they're down to 2 members. Anyway I suspect Punk's your killer, but is he Trainee? or is he Mad?

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Illusionis posted:

Sure Normal still have their killer, but they're down to 2 members. Anyway I suspect Punk's your killer, but is he Trainee? or is he Mad?

Tf are either of those things?

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Illusionis posted:

Sure Normal still have their killer, but they're down to 2 members. Anyway I suspect Punk's your killer, but is he Trainee? or is he Mad?

Also we've already said that he is a Normal sanity Sanity Checker.

It's literally the Second Key Turner.

Again.

For some reason there's two second key turners and no first one.

Cuuuuube!

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011

Yami Fenrir posted:

Tf are either of those things?

I mean one of those has to be on your team, unless Cube really imbalanced this setup while making it so symmetrical in so many ways

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011
FoS pretty much has to be telling the truth, so it's one of Punk or Maug and the paranoid killer is already dead so

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Illusionis posted:

I mean one of those has to be on your team, unless Cube really imbalanced this setup while making it so symmetrical in so many ways

trainee or mad literally don't exist as sanities is my point.

As far as I am aware at least

Rhymes With Clue
Nov 18, 2010

A lady of nobility, gentility, and rage
I think Illu is the Changeling. I will confirm that we've got no Trainee or Mad, and also that my role pretty much mirrors Hal's right down to the visual thing. This information will probably help the Normal team, I don't know what it will do for the Changeling.

Also why could fool not be lying? What does telling the truth get you, when everybody is scum?

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011

Rhymes With Clue posted:

I think Illu is the Changeling. I will confirm that we've got no Trainee or Mad, and also that my role pretty much mirrors Hal's right down to the visual thing. This information will probably help the Normal team, I don't know what it will do for the Changeling.

Also why could fool not be lying? What does telling the truth get you, when everybody is scum?
Pretty sure every team has alig seer so that should be Fool.

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

Yami Fenrir posted:

Also we've already said that he is a Normal sanity Sanity Checker.

It's literally the Second Key Turner.

Again.

For some reason there's two second key turners and no first one.

Cuuuuube!

Three, actually :v:

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Maugrim posted:

Three, actually :v:

CUBEEEEEEEEEEEEE

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Illusionis posted:

Pretty sure every team has alig seer so that should be Fool.

Yup. Paranoid seer

PlasticAutomaton
Nov 12, 2016

Artoria Pendonut


Rhymes With Clue posted:

I think Illu is the Changeling. I will confirm that we've got no Trainee or Mad, and also that my role pretty much mirrors Hal's right down to the visual thing. This information will probably help the Normal team, I don't know what it will do for the Changeling.

Also why could fool not be lying? What does telling the truth get you, when everybody is scum?

what in the gently caress is this game

PlasticAutomaton
Nov 12, 2016

Artoria Pendonut


##Vote: Illu

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
I'm in two minds about an Illu vote. His vote is a potentially valuable resource that we shouldn't discard lightly, but it would be useful info to see his flip

Do we even get to see the flip if he becomes a stump though

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011

Maugrim posted:

I'm in two minds about an Illu vote. His vote is a potentially valuable resource that we shouldn't discard lightly, but it would be useful info to see his flip

Do we even get to see the flip if he becomes a stump though

You dont, also if your team is out your killer you cant afford to lose my vote while naive is at 3 players

NeverHelm
Aug 9, 2017

Never attribute to malice that post which is adequately explained by a poor sense of humor.
I'm against an Illu vote for the moment.

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011
Also I'm not really sure if all of you know what sanoty you are but I can confirm it for you if youre unsure

Punkreas
May 13, 2013

*chews on head*
Lipstick Apathy
There's a big question mark left with the game and I agree with a ##vote Illu to sort this out

The Zoya vote was good but hopefully we don't regret not hitting Illu instead a second time

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
That's -1. However I don't think Illu is the right choice just yet.

If Team Normal are willing to join me on Punkreas that'll give fos the choice of hammer

Illusionis
Dec 12, 2011
Already 3 on me are naiveif my vote is gone they will have easy control of the game for now

NeverHelm
Aug 9, 2017

Never attribute to malice that post which is adequately explained by a poor sense of humor.

Maugrim posted:

That's -1. However I don't think Illu is the right choice just yet.

If Team Normal are willing to join me on Punkreas that'll give fos the choice of hammer
Doesn't look like there are too many alternatives for us right now. I'm down with this.

##vote Punkreas

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
A role role like Illu is too easy to just put off forever as it slides under the radar.

Also, what part about "Changeling" feels like a Guesser, exactly? The role sounds way more sinister than that.

Punkreas
May 13, 2013

*chews on head*
Lipstick Apathy

Illusionis posted:

Also I'm not really sure if all of you know what sanoty you are but I can confirm it for you if youre unsure



Illusionis posted:

Already 3 on me are naiveif my vote is gone they will have easy control of the game for now

For someone who will just stump but can still win and abscond in the background, and have no team affiliation, you seem awfully concerned about this vote

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
If it turns out Punkreas isn't lying about his role I'll be down with an Illu vote, assuming he hasn't absconded/won by then

Just a bit concerned about Team Naive having 3 people alive and potentially a killer as we head into another night.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Illusionis posted:

Already 3 on me are naiveif my vote is gone they will have easy control of the game for now

I mean yeah you started the push on our team, do you think we're just gonna go "yeah sure"

This is just more proof that you're lying about how your role works.

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Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
And y'all should be concerned about this.

He obviously got info on the roles, but I don't buy that he's immortal with how he's been playing today. He's not telling us everything about his role.

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